Ireland Irish Game & Country Fair Birr 25th & 26th August

[jimjim 18]

If the terrier event is run the same as shanes castle i will not be going. There was seperate classes for dogs and bitches in the russells but in all the other classes dogs and bitches were put together, i wonder why?

i was wondering the same thing, cheaper when it came to giving out the prizes ??? maybe.

[jimjim 18]

If the terrier event is run the same as shanes castle i will not be going. There was seperate classes for dogs and bitches in the russells but in all the other classes dogs and bitches were put together, i wonder why?

i was wondering the same thing, cheaper when it came to giving out the prizes ??? maybe.

looks like you're not getting any answers to your question, do not understand why they made a distinction between the jack russell and the other breeds?

[madrarua 29]

If the terrier event is run the same as shanes castle i will not be going. There was seperate classes for dogs and bitches in the russells but in all the other classes dogs and bitches were put together, i wonder why?

i was wondering the same thing, cheaper when it came to giving out the prizes ??? maybe.

looks like you're not getting any answers to your question, do not understand why they made a distinction between the jack russell and the other breeds?

They must have something to hide when they are not giving a reason. If it was something silly they would be all answering it. I think its time for Albert J to throw some light on the subject.

[ROCKO 1 6]

That's a good question

[madrarua 29]

That's a good question

I don't know why , thats what im trying to find out.

[jimjim 18]

If the terrier event is run the same as shanes castle i will not be going. There was seperate classes for dogs and bitches in the russells but in all the other classes dogs and bitches were put together, i wonder why?

i was wondering the same thing, cheaper when it came to giving out the prizes ??? maybe.

looks like you're not getting any answers to your question, do not understand why they made a distinction between the jack russell and the other breeds?

They must have something to hide when they are not giving a reason. If it was something silly they would be all answering it. I think its time for Albert J to throw some light on the subject.

it will most likely be the same in birr then when there is no valid explanation ..........

[AlbertJ 569]

If the terrier event is run the same as shanes castle i will not be going. There was seperate classes for dogs and bitches in the russells but in all the other classes dogs and bitches were put together, i wonder why?

 

Sorry I missed a question on this on another thread because I was on holiday for 5 days in Knoydart after Shanes - pure bliss no car, no 'phone, no internet and no TV. One pub 1.5 miles away from where we were staying and sunshine virually every day. With walking, eating and drinking I came back ready to finish off our planning for Birr and I am afarid I didn't feel like trawling through a lot of posts on Shanes. So my apologies if you or someone else felt they didn't get an answer - as you know I normally try to answer every post - good or bad!. We had intended to split the classes at Shanes but entries in the terriers were down at Ballywalter and I heard many of the other shows. But because we had a Russell specialist from Scotland we decided to split that particular breed in defence to his specialist knowledge. This is quite common practice in KC shows. HOWEVER - I will be looking at the entries at Birr and those breeds with good entries will get the classes split at our future shows plus if we bring across a specialist from the UK his or her classes will be split.

[AlbertJ 569]

If the terrier event is run the same as shanes castle i will not be going. There was seperate classes for dogs and bitches in the russells but in all the other classes dogs and bitches were put together, i wonder why?

i was wondering the same thing, cheaper when it came to giving out the prizes ??? maybe.

 

See my answer above nothing sinister - just I took a holiday. When you think how much we put into terrier & lurchers compared to other shows both here and in the UK - you will see that your comment about it being cheaper for prizes is laughable. If the numbers justify splitting we will do so if not we won't unless it is to 'reward' a specialist judge making the effort to come here.

[AlbertJ 569]

If the terrier event is run the same as shanes castle i will not be going. There was seperate classes for dogs and bitches in the russells but in all the other classes dogs and bitches were put together, i wonder why?

i was wondering the same thing, cheaper when it came to giving out the prizes ??? maybe.

looks like you're not getting any answers to your question, do not understand why they made a distinction between the jack russell and the other breeds?

They must have something to hide when they are not giving a reason. If it was something silly they would be all answering it. I think its time for Albert J to throw some light on the subject.

 

NOTHING to HIDE - except I don't advertise when I am going on holiday - although my son, wife and grand daughter come to look after my dogs - I don't want them ( particularly my grand daughter) bothered by crank calls which they got the last time I let people know I was on holiday.

[AlbertJ 569]

If the terrier event is run the same as shanes castle i will not be going. There was seperate classes for dogs and bitches in the russells but in all the other classes dogs and bitches were put together, i wonder why?

i was wondering the same thing, cheaper when it came to giving out the prizes ??? maybe.

looks like you're not getting any answers to your question, do not understand why they made a distinction between the jack russell and the other breeds?

They must have something to hide when they are not giving a reason. If it was something silly they would be all answering it. I think its time for Albert J to throw some light on the subject.

it will most likely be the same in birr then when there is no valid explanation ..........

Classes will NOT be split at Birr but will be monitored to see if it entries justify splitting them in future.

[madrarua 29]

If the terrier event is run the same as shanes castle i will not be going. There was seperate classes for dogs and bitches in the russells but in all the other classes dogs and bitches were put together, i wonder why?

 

Sorry I missed a question on this on another thread because I was on holiday for 5 days in Knoydart after Shanes - pure bliss no car, no 'phone, no internet and no TV. One pub 1.5 miles away from where we were staying and sunshine virually every day. With walking, eating and drinking I came back ready to finish off our planning for Birr and I am afarid I didn't feel like trawling through a lot of posts on Shanes. So my apologies if you or someone else felt they didn't get an answer - as you know I normally try to answer every post - good or bad!. We had intended to split the classes at Shanes but entries in the terriers were down at Ballywalter and I heard many of the other shows. But because we had a Russell specialist from Scotland we decided to split that particular breed in defence to his specialist knowledge. This is quite common practice in KC shows. HOWEVER - I will be looking at the entries at Birr and those breeds with good entries will get the classes split at our future shows plus if we bring across a specialist from the UK his or her classes will be split.

In all the non gamefair shows all over Ireland dogs and bitches are split up. This is to suit the customers and give everyone a fair chance irespective of the judges preference he is there to judge all breeds. What you are saying is jack russels had preference over other breeds, you make it look like that is why the jack russel got champion of show. It doesn't matter how far a judge has to travel, as i have done so myself. A lot alot of small shows are for charity, unlike yours. A little bit of advice , shows are run for the paying public not for the judge!

[AlbertJ 569]

If the terrier event is run the same as shanes castle i will not be going. There was seperate classes for dogs and bitches in the russells but in all the other classes dogs and bitches were put together, i wonder why?

 

Sorry I missed a question on this on another thread because I was on holiday for 5 days in Knoydart after Shanes - pure bliss no car, no 'phone, no internet and no TV. One pub 1.5 miles away from where we were staying and sunshine virually every day. With walking, eating and drinking I came back ready to finish off our planning for Birr and I am afarid I didn't feel like trawling through a lot of posts on Shanes. So my apologies if you or someone else felt they didn't get an answer - as you know I normally try to answer every post - good or bad!. We had intended to split the classes at Shanes but entries in the terriers were down at Ballywalter and I heard many of the other shows. But because we had a Russell specialist from Scotland we decided to split that particular breed in defence to his specialist knowledge. This is quite common practice in KC shows. HOWEVER - I will be looking at the entries at Birr and those breeds with good entries will get the classes split at our future shows plus if we bring across a specialist from the UK his or her classes will be split.

In all the non gamefair shows all over Ireland dogs and bitches are split up. This is to suit the customers and give everyone a fair chance irespective of the judges preference he is there to judge all breeds. What you are saying is jack russels had preference over other breeds, you make it look like that is why the jack russel got champion of show. It doesn't matter how far a judge has to travel, as i have done so myself. A lot alot of small shows are for charity, unlike yours. A little bit of advice , shows are run for the paying public not for the judge!

 

Of course it is not why the Jack Russell got Champion and of course everyone had a fair chance. You could argue if the JRs could only qualify in big classes whereas someone could qualify in a class of two or three - it was unfair to the Jack Russells. As I explained it is quite common at KC shows to give the specialist judge extra classes and competitors there don't complain - it is just that if someone is a specialist they are likely to draw a bigger entry. Most shows in NI are not run with split classes but with similar classes to our shows.

 

Now some facts : 1. It is a fact that we put more back into the prize funds of our shows than probably any organisers of events in the UK or Ireland. 2. The organising clubs take all of the proceeds and we encourage them to make a substantial donation to a charity. 3 On a personal basis Irene and I support a whole range of charity shows and events of all kinds and we also help the chairty shows and others by giving them qualifiers for our prestige events - in fact I cannot think of anyone who approached us for sponsorship for a charity event or show that was refused assistance. 4. it costs a great deal of money to bring a judge across and they give of their time - a little courtesy of trying to attract a good entry for them is appreciated by anyone who is judging. 5. We give the paying public excellent value at our events in terms of excellent prize funds, good facilities, good judges, good entertainment, a great range of exhibitors and value for money discounts. 6. As I said we are looking at splitting classes when the classes justify a split - we will look at this after we see the entry at BIrr.

[madrarua 29]

If the terrier event is run the same as shanes castle i will not be going. There was seperate classes for dogs and bitches in the russells but in all the other classes dogs and bitches were put together, i wonder why?

 

Sorry I missed a question on this on another thread because I was on holiday for 5 days in Knoydart after Shanes - pure bliss no car, no 'phone, no internet and no TV. One pub 1.5 miles away from where we were staying and sunshine virually every day. With walking, eating and drinking I came back ready to finish off our planning for Birr and I am afarid I didn't feel like trawling through a lot of posts on Shanes. So my apologies if you or someone else felt they didn't get an answer - as you know I normally try to answer every post - good or bad!. We had intended to split the classes at Shanes but entries in the terriers were down at Ballywalter and I heard many of the other shows. But because we had a Russell specialist from Scotland we decided to split that particular breed in defence to his specialist knowledge. This is quite common practice in KC shows. HOWEVER - I will be looking at the entries at Birr and those breeds with good entries will get the classes split at our future shows plus if we bring across a specialist from the UK his or her classes will be split.

In all the non gamefair shows all over Ireland dogs and bitches are split up. This is to suit the customers and give everyone a fair chance irespective of the judges preference he is there to judge all breeds. What you are saying is jack russels had preference over other breeds, you make it look like that is why the jack russel got champion of show. It doesn't matter how far a judge has to travel, as i have done so myself. A lot alot of small shows are for charity, unlike yours. A little bit of advice , shows are run for the paying public not for the judge!

 

Of course it is not why the Jack Russell got Champion and of course everyone had a fair chance. You could argue if the JRs could only qualify in big classes whereas someone could qualify in a class of two or three - it was unfair to the Jack Russells. As I explained it is quite common at KC shows to give the specialist judge extra classes and competitors there don't complain - it is just that if someone is a specialist they are likely to draw a bigger entry. Most shows in NI are not run with split classes but with similar classes to our shows.

 

Now some facts : 1. It is a fact that we put more back into the prize funds of our shows than probably any organisers of events in the UK or Ireland. 2. The organising clubs take all of the proceeds and we encourage them to make a substantial donation to a charity. 3 On a personal basis Irene and I support a whole range of charity shows and events of all kinds and we also help the chairty shows and others by giving them qualifiers for our prestige events - in fact I cannot think of anyone who approached us for sponsorship for a charity event or show that was refused assistance. 4. it costs a great deal of money to bring a judge across and they give of their time - a little courtesy of trying to attract a good entry for them is appreciated by anyone who is judging. 5. We give the paying public excellent value at our events in terms of excellent prize funds, good facilities, good judges, good entertainment, a great range of exhibitors and value for money discounts. 6. As I said we are looking at splitting classes when the classes justify a split - we will look at this after we see the entry at BIrr.

And here is a fact for you , these are not KC shows , these are working shows and all dogs are judged on their wortking ability.

[jimjim 18]

If the terrier event is run the same as shanes castle i will not be going. There was seperate classes for dogs and bitches in the russells but in all the other classes dogs and bitches were put together, i wonder why?

i was wondering the same thing, cheaper when it came to giving out the prizes ??? maybe.

 

See my answer above nothing sinister - just I took a holiday. When you think how much we put into terrier & lurchers compared to other shows both here and in the UK - you will see that your comment about it being cheaper for prizes is laughable. If the numbers justify splitting we will do so if not we won't unless it is to 'reward' a specialist judge making the effort to come here.

glad you enjoyed your holiday... other shows do put a lot in to albert it must be said . about your specialist judges .. i had a lurcher in shanes c and felt very hard done by as the judge thought i had a pure bred deer hound, if he thought that then my dog could not have been judged as a lurcher , my dog is a wheaten cross. i am a student and any time i win a bag of nuts i am delighted .

[fox hunter 53]

If the terrier event is run the same as shanes castle i will not be going. There was seperate classes for dogs and bitches in the russells but in all the other classes dogs and bitches were put together, i wonder why?

 

Sorry I missed a question on this on another thread because I was on holiday for 5 days in Knoydart after Shanes - pure bliss no car, no 'phone, no internet and no TV. One pub 1.5 miles away from where we were staying and sunshine virually every day. With walking, eating and drinking I came back ready to finish off our planning for Birr and I am afarid I didn't feel like trawling through a lot of posts on Shanes. So my apologies if you or someone else felt they didn't get an answer - as you know I normally try to answer every post - good or bad!. We had intended to split the classes at Shanes but entries in the terriers were down at Ballywalter and I heard many of the other shows. But because we had a Russell specialist from Scotland we decided to split that particular breed in defence to his specialist knowledge. This is quite common practice in KC shows. HOWEVER - I will be looking at the entries at Birr and those breeds with good entries will get the classes split at our future shows plus if we bring across a specialist from the UK his or her classes will be split.

In all the non gamefair shows all over Ireland dogs and bitches are split up. This is to suit the customers and give everyone a fair chance irespective of the judges preference he is there to judge all breeds. What you are saying is jack russels had preference over other breeds, you make it look like that is why the jack russel got champion of show. It doesn't matter how far a judge has to travel, as i have done so myself. A lot alot of small shows are for charity, unlike yours. A little bit of advice , shows are run for the paying public not for the judge!

 

Of course it is not why the Jack Russell got Champion and of course everyone had a fair chance. You could argue if the JRs could only qualify in big classes whereas someone could qualify in a class of two or three - it was unfair to the Jack Russells. As I explained it is quite common at KC shows to give the specialist judge extra classes and competitors there don't complain - it is just that if someone is a specialist they are likely to draw a bigger entry. Most shows in NI are not run with split classes but with similar classes to our shows.

 

Now some facts : 1. It is a fact that we put more back into the prize funds of our shows than probably any organisers of events in the UK or Ireland. 2. The organising clubs take all of the proceeds and we encourage them to make a substantial donation to a charity. 3 On a personal basis Irene and I support a whole range of charity shows and events of all kinds and we also help the chairty shows and others by giving them qualifiers for our prestige events - in fact I cannot think of anyone who approached us for sponsorship for a charity event or show that was refused assistance. 4. it costs a great deal of money to bring a judge across and they give of their time - a little courtesy of trying to attract a good entry for them is appreciated by anyone who is judging. 5. We give the paying public excellent value at our events in terms of excellent prize funds, good facilities, good judges, good entertainment, a great range of exhibitors and value for money discounts. 6. As I said we are looking at splitting classes when the classes justify a split - we will look at this after we see the entry at BIrr.

And here is a fact for you , these are not KC shows , these are working shows and all dogs are judged on their wortking ability.

 

i have to agree with you here madrarua its a working dog show were going to not crufts.... i no one show only that seperates there classes, for lurchers and terriers, and there is always a better variety at this show it gives everyone a fair chance. how on earth can you judge a bitch against a dog, it is only in the matter of physics that a dogs bone structure is larger, therefore making the dog larger than a bitch this is why dogs should be compared with dogs and bitches should be compared with bitches, any good terrier or lurcher judge will know this... this is regardless breeds.