Tam O'Void 297 Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 "of them Downs " "SOMEBODY LIKE THAT" ,that's some of the problem, treating someone with an illness ,you are ignorant about as a Lesser being.. mental illness/disability is a Hard area to Navigate round,what's Right & Wrong .Treating someone like Frankenstein isn't the way foward. Lab,spend sometime with the young lad,show him your birds,you'll be suprised the interest he will show in them .prob keep a real good tally on them.I,m sure when your engaging with him ,they'll be no Temper Tantrum from either of you Scot,if anything has came out of your thread,I'm sure it will make folk Think twice . 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nitestalker 28 209 Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 On 24/07/2012 at 05:35, forest of dean redneck said: On 23/07/2012 at 21:35, socks said: On 23/07/2012 at 19:11, whippet 99 said: autism, someone define autism because im very scepticle...................................... I am sure forest of dean redneck could put you straight as his step son has autism...... Both my eldest stepsons have it, Eldest is mildly autistic he wasn't diagnosed til he went to comp school,he can't stand noise,crowds,he is 14 but mentally about 7. He can get fixated / mildly obsessed with certain things. Second boy is severly autistic,he is labeled as being at topof the spectrum for infantile autimsm he is nearly 13 ,can only say a few words,still in nappies at night,can soil himself,eats non food substances,smashes things up,recently head butted the window out the school taxi.and generally behave like a toddler. The younger lad is a handful as take him to a park and he will try an take a kids bike and as theres nothing wrong looking with him you get loads of grief off parents. He's got that bad even the Play scheme run at his school won't take him out on day trips to unknown locations as he can tie up 2/3 members of staff. Even the special needs social services worker has admitted they wouldn't be able to cater for his needs, All these threads about benefits and non workers piss me off as its easier for me to work 55 plus hours machine welding than keeping eye on them 2 , Yet I was asked to do this as mum couldn't handle them when they started to lose their temper. Now I'm wound up I'm off to kick shit out of something. No how u feel my 3 year old boy is autistic goes to a special school not severe more on the higher end of the spectrum still set in his ways very hard to deal with at times finds it hard to be in different places has food issues sensory probs too people who say its handy money for parents are so stupid I'd give any money on earth to have my son be like any other 3 year old live a normal life have kids whatever money is nothing when u have to go to physio occucapitonal therapy feeding therapy speech and language on a weekly basis as for a boot up the arse they don't understand what there doin it's not there fault there brain does not function proper understand autisim before you make a stupid un educated statement Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ferret features 289 Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 ime only saying the ones round this estate arent being looked after by their parents .ide say over 50 per cent are feral .just what i see on adaily basis. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nitestalker 28 209 Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 They sound more like asbos I very much doubt u will find austic kids running round estates 90 present of people with atusim won't mix with other kids they like to be alone Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Moll. 1,770 Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 Nothing wrong with how you feel Lab, not everyone can cope with things not seen as 'normal' and i applaude you for being so honest about it. I am a registered nurse for the mentally handicapped, or at least i was, i no longer practise nursing. Throughout my career i worked with any and every type of disability you can think of, some of which are now extinct thanks to medical intervention/pregnancy screening. One thing which was pushed and pushed when i trained was the concept of 'normalisation', meaning everyone with a disability had the right to be treated as normally as everyone else, have the same rights etc. What people fail to realise is, this also includes the negative normal things. Kids will get teased for wearing glasses, having red hair....even though they do not have a disability, therefore a child with say downs syndrome will also get teased...it is NORMAL behaviour. It is NORMAL for someone to get upset if a child...disability or not, misbehaves. Just because a child/adult has a disability does not mean they are on some higher innocence/spiritual level. I once cared for a young man with downs syndrome, who was also a paedophile. Did he know right from wrong? He knew stealing was wrong, he knew hitting people was wrong, he knew what would happen if he walked in front of a bus. Mental disability/illness is very complex, nothing is black and white. Another thing which was very apparent when i nursed. We used to call it NOBY. Many people will say/do all the right things in regard to people with disability, saints each and every one of them. Untill there is a threat of someone like that moving into the same street, Quite understandably a normal person does not want a neighbour playing loud music all day and night, for the same reason they do not want screaming kids/adults. NOBY = Not in our back yard. So Lab, it is quite normal to feel how you do, in truth most people would/do. And most intelligent parents of disabled children do understand why you do. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lab 10,979 Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 On 24/07/2012 at 19:13, Moll. said: Nothing wrong with how you feel Lab, not everyone can cope with things not seen as 'normal' and i applaude you for being so honest about it. I am a registered nurse for the mentally handicapped, or at least i was, i no longer practise nursing. Throughout my career i worked with any and every type of disability you can think of, some of which are now extinct thanks to medical intervention/pregnancy screening. One thing which was pushed and pushed when i trained was the concept of 'normalisation', meaning everyone with a disability had the right to be treated as normally as everyone else, have the same rights etc. What people fail to realise is, this also includes the negative normal things. Kids will get teased for wearing glasses, having red hair....even though they do not have a disability, therefore a child with say downs syndrome will also get teased...it is NORMAL behaviour. It is NORMAL for someone to get upset if a child...disability or not, misbehaves. Just because a child/adult has a disability does not mean they are on some higher innocence/spiritual level. I once cared for a young man with downs syndrome, who was also a paedophile. Did he know right from wrong? He knew stealing was wrong, he knew hitting people was wrong, he knew what would happen if he walked in front of a bus. Mental disability/illness is very complex, nothing is black and white. Another thing which was very apparent when i nursed. We used to call it NOBY. Many people will say/do all the right things in regard to people with disability, saints each and every one of them. Untill there is a threat of someone like that moving into the same street, Quite understandably a normal person does not want a neighbour playing loud music all day and night, for the same reason they do not want screaming kids/adults. NOBY = Not in our back yard. So Lab, it is quite normal to feel how you do, in truth most people would/do. And most intelligent parents of disabled children do understand why you do. Brillaintly put Moll......exactly what i was trying to get across but was lost in the internet chat................... I thought i would change as i got older, still hoping i do yet............. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stabba 10,745 Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 One of the countries leading schools for Autism(Robert Ogden) is just a few hundred yards from my house. I pass the kids with their carers nearly everyday whilst walking the dogs..The level of Autism between the kids is unbelievable..Im quite happy to let them pet/stroke the dogs as and when they feel like it..Bunch of great kids who sadly just got dealt a raw deal..atb stabba Quote Link to post Share on other sites
undisputed 1,664 Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 On 24/07/2012 at 17:25, Tam O said: "of them Downs " "SOMEBODY LIKE THAT" ,that's some of the problem, treating someone with an illness ,you are ignorant about as a Lesser being.. mental illness/disability is a Hard area to Navigate round,what's Right & Wrong .Treating someone like Frankenstein isn't the way foward. Lab,spend sometime with the young lad,show him your birds,you'll be suprised the interest he will show in them .prob keep a real good tally on them.I,m sure when your engaging with him ,they'll be no Temper Tantrum from either of you Scot,if anything has came out of your thread,I'm sure it will make folk Think twice . Well said that man....I think it's about people's perception...the older generation were brought up in an era were people with disabilities were locked away or placed in institutions and some of these stigma's are still around....the people who talk in the 3rd person as if they aint there....there are different levels of autism and folk function at different levels....the one thing in common is the struggle families have coping with it and lack of resources to help... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ferret features 289 Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 On 24/07/2012 at 19:13, Moll. said: Nothing wrong with how you feel Lab, not everyone can cope with things not seen as 'normal' and i applaude you for being so honest about it. I am a registered nurse for the mentally handicapped, or at least i was, i no longer practise nursing. Throughout my career i worked with any and every type of disability you can think of, some of which are now extinct thanks to medical intervention/pregnancy screening. One thing which was pushed and pushed when i trained was the concept of 'normalisation', meaning everyone with a disability had the right to be treated as normally as everyone else, have the same rights etc. What people fail to realise is, this also includes the negative normal things. Kids will get teased for wearing glasses, having red hair....even though they do not have a disability, therefore a child with say downs syndrome will also get teased...it is NORMAL behaviour. It is NORMAL for someone to get upset if a child...disability or not, misbehaves. Just because a child/adult has a disability does not mean they are on some higher innocence/spiritual level. I once cared for a young man with downs syndrome, who was also a paedophile. Did he know right from wrong? He knew stealing was wrong, he knew hitting people was wrong, he knew what would happen if he walked in front of a bus. Mental disability/illness is very complex, nothing is black and white. Another thing which was very apparent when i nursed. We used to call it NOBY. Many people will say/do all the right things in regard to people with disability, saints each and every one of them. Untill there is a threat of someone like that moving into the same street, Quite understandably a normal person does not want a neighbour playing loud music all day and night, for the same reason they do not want screaming kids/adults. NOBY = Not in our back yard. So Lab, it is quite normal to feel how you do, in truth most people would/do. And most intelligent parents of disabled children do understand why you do. did he get jail for being a peterfile or did the court do what they usualy do ie suspended sentence. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
spade 224 Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 On 24/07/2012 at 20:39, stabba said: One of the countries leading schools for Autism(Robert Ogden) is just a few hundred yards from my house. I pass the kids with their carers nearly everyday whilst walking the dogs..The level of Autism between the kids is unbelievable..Im quite happy to let them pet/stroke the dogs as and when they feel like it..Bunch of great kids who sadly just got dealt a raw deal..atb stabba That is a fantastic school, even having an autistic child and being aware of the complexities of ASD, my eyes were opened when we went for a visit. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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