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[Deker 3,478]

RWS, Winnies go best through my 452, CCi`s dont even go into breach most of the time, Funny thing is most of the 22 ammo in circulation is made in one factory by CCi.

 

Which "brands" and "type" of .22lr (or even .22WMR) ammo does CCI make then for other companies?

Edited March 27, 2013 by Deker

[richmcgin 32]

well they make Federal, Hornady,Remi and of coarse CCi, in the 17hmr and they make Federal, Remi, CCi, 22 and the 22wmr hornady, but i am not sure if they make the RWS and winnie but i seem to remember reading it some where.

CCi have i think the largest factory which is in Idaho, and i am sure that there are only 2 factories in the states that can make rimfire ammo.

[Deker 3,478]

well they make Federal, Hornady,Remi and of coarse CCi, in the 17hmr and they make Federal, Remi, CCi, 22 and the 22wmr hornady, but i am not sure if they make the RWS and winnie but i seem to remember reading it some where.

CCi have i think the largest factory which is in Idaho, and i am sure that there are only 2 factories in the states that can make rimfire ammo.

 

You said .22, so did I, HMR isn't in this conversation!

 

"Which "brands" and "type" of .22lr (or even .22WMR) ammo does CCI make then for other companies?"

Edited March 27, 2013 by Deker

[richmcgin 32]

Fair enough, but if you read on past the hmr your answer is there.

Sorry i missed the type bit. one would suspect that every type that the respective name produce would all be made in the same place.

[Deker 3,478]

Fair enough, but if you read on past the hmr your answer is there.

Sorry i missed the type bit. one would suspect that every type that the respective name produce would all be made in the same place

 

Really!?

 

"well they make Federal, Hornady,Remi and of coarse CCi, in the 17hmr and they make Federal, Remi, CCi, 22 and the 22wmr hornady"

 

So...CCI make ALL....... Federal, Remi .22 ammo and Hornady .22WMR?

 

So, do CCI make the WMR for Federal and Remington as well?

 

Feel free to qualify your response or actually answer my question!

Edited March 27, 2013 by Deker

[richmcgin 32]

to be honest i cant say they do for sure, but as there is only a couple of factories that can produce rimfire and CCi is the largest and as they already produce all the 22lr and 17 ammo for the companies mentioned i think there is a fair chance that they would, but iam not sure that Remi actually do a wmr still.

As for Quailifing my response, i dont have to and am not quite sure why a passing comment seems to caused you such an issue.

[Deker 3,478]

to be honest i cant say they do for sure, but as there is only a couple of factories that can produce rimfire and CCi is the largest and as they already produce all the 22lr and 17 ammo for the companies mentioned i think there is a fair chance that they would, but iam not sure that Remi actually do a wmr still.

As for Quailifing my response, i dont have to and am not quite sure why a passing comment seems to caused you such an issue.

 

 

BS, go away and do some research.

 

As a designer of Hybrid ammo for the Special Forces you surprise me!

 

CCI does NOT make ALL .22lr ammo for every tom dick and harry, they make .17 HMR for a number of different firms.......

 

"CCI, Federal, Winchester, Remington and Hornady HMR all loaded here at CCI in Lewiston, Idaho with a V-max bullet are identical, with the exception of tip color. Manufactured on the same equip, to the same ballistic specs, using the same components other than color of the tip of the bullets. Obviously the shellcase 'head stamp' and packaging would be different on the various products.

 

Linda Olin

CCI/Speer Technical Services

2299 Snake River Ave.

Lewiston, ID 83501"

 

CCI and Hornady 30g .22 WMR V-Max is also identical, (even though the sales literature and ballistics suggest they are different) I have another email form Linda on that when I questioned the differences.

 

 

 

 

[richmcgin 32]

Now correct me if iam wrong but you did say earlier that 17 was not in question, but it seems i was right about that though. also that email just states they dont make it for every tom dick and harry, it does not say who`s they do and dont make and i can indeed accept that they dont make rimfire for every one. CCi are owned by ATK who also own Federal, ATK are Alliant Tech, The same as Allient Powders,

Now if you can manage to read the bits you didnt enlarge and underline you may see that i said i think there is fair chance.

Your post is no more certain of the companies that CCi produce ammo for than mine unless Tom, Dick and Harry have ammo companies, in which case we know that CCi dont produce ammo for them.

Try Mike Larsen at Federal, he will help you out with any quieries you have as i think he has worked both companies, but iam not sure if he has worked for Tom, Dick or Harry though. While your there you could always tell him you thoughts on Transonic effects on 22lr ammo he has a great sense of humour.

[richmcgin 32]

Having just re-read your last post i think it more or less bears out what i have said, not sure about the hybrid thing either!!!, but i have just mailed CCi on this subject and will post their response.

Looking back at my original post on this subject i have to say that your comments are very petty and having looked at your profile and reading what you wrote about your "here to learn so know all`s can piss off", i think you are a bit of a hypocrite, and judging by the way you are so quick to jump on people when you dont understand or agree with what they say or the way you slate people you disagree with, well that shows all the hall marks of a BULLY, and not someone that wants to broarden their understanding. You may find it hard to accept that you are not always right, in the matter in question i may be incorrect but it`s no big deal. you should`nt critise people for doing things you cant or have`nt done you should treat people with a little more respect.

I think its been a little over a year since i last heard from you and as i remember you took the same bullish stance then too, i seem to remember you have a theory on transonic effects, well fair play to you, it may be a load of sh*t that you sort of base on facts you picked up off Wiki but if it makes sense to you then hey ho cant knock you for that.

 

to be honest i cant say they do for sure, but as there is only a couple of factories that can produce rimfire and CCi is the largest and as they already produce all the 22lr and 17 ammo for the companies mentioned i think there is a fair chance that they would, but iam not sure that Remi actually do a wmr still.

As for Quailifing my response, i dont have to and am not quite sure why a passing comment seems to caused you such an issue.

 

 

BS, go away and do some research.

 

As a designer of Hybrid ammo for the Special Forces you surprise me!

 

CCI does NOT make ALL .22lr ammo for every tom dick and harry, they make .17 HMR for a number of different firms.......

 

"CCI, Federal, Winchester, Remington and Hornady HMR all loaded here at CCI in Lewiston, Idaho with a V-max bullet are identical, with the exception of tip color. Manufactured on the same equip, to the same ballistic specs, using the same components other than color of the tip of the bullets. Obviously the shellcase 'head stamp' and packaging would be different on the various products.

Linda Olin
CCI/Speer Technical Services
2299 Snake River Ave.
Lewiston, ID 83501"

 

CCI and Hornady 30g .22 WMR V-Max is also identical, (even though the sales literature and ballistics suggest they are different) I have another email form Linda on that when I questioned the differences.

 

[Deker 3,478]

 

Having just re-read your last post i think it more or less bears out what i have said, not sure about the hybrid thing either!!!, but i have just mailed CCi on this subject and will post their response.

Looking back at my original post on this subject i have to say that your comments are very petty and having looked at your profile and reading what you wrote about your "here to learn so know all`s can piss off", i think you are a bit of a hypocrite, and judging by the way you are so quick to jump on people when you dont understand or agree with what they say or the way you slate people you disagree with, well that shows all the hall marks of a BULLY, and not someone that wants to broarden their understanding. You may find it hard to accept that you are not always right, in the matter in question i may be incorrect but it`s no big deal. you should`nt critise people for doing things you cant or have`nt done you should treat people with a little more respect.

I think its been a little over a year since i last heard from you and as i remember you took the same bullish stance then too, i seem to remember you have a theory on transonic effects, well fair play to you, it may be a load of sh*t that you sort of base on facts you picked up off Wiki but if it makes sense to you then hey ho cant knock you for that.

 

to be honest i cant say they do for sure, but as there is only a couple of factories that can produce rimfire and CCi is the largest and as they already produce all the 22lr and 17 ammo for the companies mentioned i think there is a fair chance that they would, but iam not sure that Remi actually do a wmr still.

As for Quailifing my response, i dont have to and am not quite sure why a passing comment seems to caused you such an issue.

 

 

BS, go away and do some research.

 

As a designer of Hybrid ammo for the Special Forces you surprise me!

 

CCI does NOT make ALL .22lr ammo for every tom dick and harry, they make .17 HMR for a number of different firms.......

 

"CCI, Federal, Winchester, Remington and Hornady HMR all loaded here at CCI in Lewiston, Idaho with a V-max bullet are identical, with the exception of tip color. Manufactured on the same equip, to the same ballistic specs, using the same components other than color of the tip of the bullets. Obviously the shellcase 'head stamp' and packaging would be different on the various products.

 

Linda Olin

CCI/Speer Technical Services

2299 Snake River Ave.

Lewiston, ID 83501"

 

CCI and Hornady 30g .22 WMR V-Max is also identical, (even though the sales literature and ballistics suggest they are different) I have another email form Linda on that when I questioned the differences.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I forgot, school holidays isn't it, try another comic.

 

Idiots trying to convince beginners and lead them astray will always get a Bullish response from me, your condescending "knowledgeable" posts in many threads here are a danger to the inexperienced who may get conned into believing your Walter Mitty life!

 

Transonic effect was explained to you in great detail, (by me and others), but you failed to grasp it, that seems more than strange to me for someone with an alleged history of designing bullets for Special Forces work!

 

Did you manage to improve on this?

 

 

Now, if you want a debate feel free to continue it by PM and do not cloud this thread with any more of your BS!

Edited March 27, 2013 by Deker

[lksopener 105]

Is it really that important to you?

[richmcgin 32]

your transonic theory was explained in some detail by yourelf and one of your followers i agree but the plain fact is the ammo manufacturers totally disagreed with you on that topic, what you were describing, to I think rifle hunter was regarding the effect on 22lr at range or hv ammo or something like that, and the plain fact is the effect is so minimal its more likely that the butterfly effect will disrupt the bullet more !!!!!.

But at least you can admit your bullish nature, i suppose thats a start.

I would more than willingly have this chat in a pm as i have an open mind to all concepts, and i can even be polite if i dont agree, but i can honestly say that i am al that concerned about where 22lr is manufactured i just thought it was an interesting point.

 

Also not sure about the dangerous advice bit, i think you need to Quailify that, please feel free to use an example of one of my posts that is a danger to the inexperienced.

Oh and if you can find find any evidence that any of things you have taken eception to are incorrect, in fact and not just your mind then i will bow my head to you and declare you the shooting sage you want so much to be.

[Deker 3,478]

your transonic theory was explained in some detail by yourelf and one of your followers i agree but the plain fact is the ammo manufacturers totally disagreed with you on that topic, what you were describing, to I think rifle hunter was regarding the effect on 22lr at range or hv ammo or something like that, and the plain fact is the effect is so minimal its more likely that the butterfly effect will disrupt the bullet more !!!!!.

But at least you can admit your bullish nature, i suppose thats a start.

I would more than willingly have this chat in a pm as i have an open mind to all concepts, and i can even be polite if i dont agree, but i can honestly say that i am al that concerned about where 22lr is manufactured i just thought it was an interesting point.

 

Also not sure about the dangerous advice bit, i think you need to Quailify that, please feel free to use an example of one of my posts that is a danger to the inexperienced.

Oh and if you can find find any evidence that any of things you have taken eception to are incorrect, in fact and not just your mind then i will bow my head to you and declare you the shooting sage you want so much to be.

 

Start bowing!

 

You live in a complete fantasy world, there is not a single ammo manufacturer in the world that argues with transonic effect, just you and your Hyper velocity BS!

 

Ask Remington who makes their .22lr ammo, which factory they make it in, and who makes the most, don't forget to publish their reply. And as for only a couple of factories that can produce .22lr, keep bowing even lower!

 

Of course you are not concerned anymore, so why keep on with the pathetic charade...you wrote...............# 32

 

 

Posted Yesterday, 11:01 AM

RWS, Winnies go best through my 452, CCi`s dont even go into breach most of the time, Funny thing is most of the 22 ammo in circulation is made in one factory by CCi.

 

 

BS.

 

PM me if you want to, don't screw up this thread with your fantasy BS.

[Rake aboot 4,935]

Ah,, yes, but am I cruel for shooting rabbits with a .177 ???

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

:laugh: ahh! it`s all coming flooding back,,

[richmcgin 32]

Ok last post for me on this, ATK who own CCI and Federal and who are Alliant Powders and about a millon other companies, say that your theory is rubbish, so there two for a start. I just had a look back at some emails i had with ATK and it seems the argument before was regarding HV rounds at to 100 yrds suffering from destabilization due to transonic infulences and in short the answer was a very definate No, seems simple to me.

And as they are a international arms manufacturer who produce everything from rockets to computer software, i think i am more inclined to believe that they know what they are talking about.But dont take it from ask them.

and you still have not disproved anything you just keep on with the same line and nothing to back it up, If i am wrong about the CCi making most of the rimfire ammo subject, then i am wrong, it`s still no big deal. just wish i could remember where i read it.

And you are not offering anything about those oh so dangerous previous postings.