Hancock....

[Phil Lloyd 10,738]

A valid point there Birddog...

[birddog 1,354]

Chalky, would you have another 'Maddie'?

[sikastag_1 689]

sorry but a dealer buys something in and sells it on for a profit, the hancocks are breeders and they don't make silly claims or the like so i would call them honest breeders. i've no real gripe for or against them they do what they do guy's, if they were no good at it they'd have been bankrupt decades ago. so we don't like puppy farmers......we all eat eggs from battery chicken houses or pork and bacon from intensively reared pigs etc, how many of us keep ferrets in there runs with no real exercise especially at this time of year? do i sense a touch of hypocrisy? although ive seen a few over the years, i've only owned one she's 4yr old and does everything i expect a lurcher to do, she won't win a lurcher race or course fenland hares, but i didn't want a racing dog or a saluki type so i went to an honest breeder with decades of experience breeding a type i wanted and after living with her it's easy to understand why their business is thriving

 

Going off subject a bit but what happens to the greyhounds when they've spat 2 or 3 litters out? Can hardly compare them to well kept ferrets mine have plenty exercise between kids playing with them and living in an 8x4x6 run not kept in a kennel in an unfit condition if I was breeding a bitch I would make sure her fitness was tip top but were going off topic a bit for the record tho I'm not a hypocrit lol I don't eat eggs from caged hens nor do I buy cheap shirt meat.

 

Bottom line is he is a puppy peddler who doesn't care what happens to pups as long as he eat his money you could be buying them to make coats for all he cares and that for me says it all, like iv said before tho I'm not doubting dogs from his kennels just what he does.

[birddog 1,354]

sorry but a dealer buys something in and sells it on for a profit, the hancocks are breeders and they don't make silly claims or the like so i would call them honest breeders. i've no real gripe for or against them they do what they do guy's, if they were no good at it they'd have been bankrupt decades ago. so we don't like puppy farmers......we all eat eggs from battery chicken houses or pork and bacon from intensively reared pigs etc, how many of us keep ferrets in there runs with no real exercise especially at this time of year? do i sense a touch of hypocrisy? although ive seen a few over the years, i've only owned one she's 4yr old and does everything i expect a lurcher to do, she won't win a lurcher race or course fenland hares, but i didn't want a racing dog or a saluki type so i went to an honest breeder with decades of experience breeding a type i wanted and after living with her it's easy to understand why their business is thriving

 

Going off subject a bit but what happens to the greyhounds when they've spat 2 or 3 litters out? Can hardly compare them to well kept ferrets mine have plenty exercise between kids playing with them and living in an 8x4x6 run not kept in a kennel in an unfit condition if I was breeding a bitch I would make sure her fitness was tip top but were going off topic a bit for the record tho I'm not a hypocrit lol I don't eat eggs from caged hens nor do I buy cheap shirt meat.

 

Bottom line is he is a puppy peddler who doesn't care what happens to pups as long as he eat his money you could be buying them to make coats for all he cares and that for me says it all, like iv said before tho I'm not doubting dogs from his kennels just what he does.

i suppose in a lot of cases they greyhounds he uses would have a worse fate if he didn't take them on, my ferrets are well exercised also but not all are kept like ours, i too would want my bitch to be tip top if i was going to breed a litter but we re doing it as a one off, most of my eggs are from a mate who has a smallholding and i get a lamb and a half pig off him every year both naturally reared in the open. i had seatrout for tea and am waiting on a wee delivery of venison sausages but again not all are like us. i understand and agree with what your saying about him not caring what the pups are used for or what kind of homes they go to but for me there are a hundred and one worse things in the dog world than them

[suffolkpoacher 219]

Seen 1run but it put the breaks on,but that's not to say there all bad

[Sirius 1,391]

I have seen a couple work and they were good dogs and handy, But the main objection I have is I will not support puppy farmers, and what ever way you try and look at it that is exactly what he is.

[sikastag_1 689]

I know Mate was a bit of humour ment in what I wrote and I know what your saying about the caged chickens ie guys moanin about Hancock would happily eat chicken or eggs from featherless hens kept in cages but to e honest it will be seen in a different light by most as its a dog not a chicken. As for the fate of the greyhounds they will be dealt the same fate when he's finished with them mate except they could have been spared the boring kennel life and tiring life of rearing litters in poor condition. It's just not for me and I dont like or agree with what he's doing.

[birddog 1,354]

I know Mate was a bit of humour ment in what I wrote and I know what your saying about the caged chickens ie guys moanin about Hancock would happily eat chicken or eggs from featherless hens kept in cages but to e honest it will be seen in a different light by most as its a dog not a chicken. As for the fate of the greyhounds they will be dealt the same fate when he's finished with them mate except they could have been spared the boring kennel life and tiring life of rearing litters in poor condition. It's just not for me and I dont like or agree with what he's doing.

for the most part grant were on the same side, but how many of the moaners complain about what national organisations (ie the kc) are doing to genuine working breeds like the whippet and the deerhound ? do the breeders of king charles 's really care that the pups are fairly certain to end up with all sorts of probs? how many of us have seen dog's kept alive for a few extra weeks or month's by unscrupulous vet's manipulating the pet insurance schemes? i really could go on all night with lots of examples so while i agree the hancock business plan isn't ideal i genuinely believe there are lots of worse things happening and far worse breeders in the dog world,

[Sirius 1,391]

In the main I avoid eating battery eggs and try to eat free range meat also, as quite simply it mainly produces a poor quality product. This often happens when people mass produce a product for money. As for the ethics of breeding dogs for money on masse (puppy farming) well thats for the buyers own conscience, but it wont be on mine

Edited July 18, 2012 by Sirius

[poacher92 32]

One of my pals had one a blue mearl 3/8 5/8s wasnt worth a wank would catch and pull stuff down but would let go once caught.

Sounds like it could have made a reasonable dog in the right hands.

Your pal would have been better suited with a dog with natural killing instinct. Maybe a bull cross from a good working strain or indeed anything bred from parents proven in that work.

 

It didn't get used for stuff with teeth theres no need at all for having a bull cross for what it was getting used for.

[boyo 1,398]

a mate of mine had one a while back and when i put on here that it would make a good one there was loads of stick saying what a stupid statement and how could i say that well the bitch pup he bought is well on the way to being a real good un ferreting and lamping and the reason 9i knew it wouyld is because he lives for his dogs and is out every day and puts a massive amount of time into his dogs .now if someone else had bought her and hadnt put the work in no doubt she wouldnt have made the grade but whos fault would it have been .one thing i do know hancock would have got the blame for it .

[birddog 1,354]

boyo, your spot on especially with collie crosses you only get out what you put in, and if the time and effort aren't there.... it's the breeders blame

[sikastag_1 689]

I know Mate was a bit of humour ment in what I wrote and I know what your saying about the caged chickens ie guys moanin about Hancock would happily eat chicken or eggs from featherless hens kept in cages but to e honest it will be seen in a different light by most as its a dog not a chicken. As for the fate of the greyhounds they will be dealt the same fate when he's finished with them mate except they could have been spared the boring kennel life and tiring life of rearing litters in poor condition. It's just not for me and I dont like or agree with what he's doing.

for the most part grant were on the same side, but how many of the moaners complain about what national organisations (ie the kc) are doing to genuine working breeds like the whippet and the deerhound ? do the breeders of king charles 's really care that the pups are fairly certain to end up with all sorts of probs? how many of us have seen dog's kept alive for a few extra weeks or month's by unscrupulous vet's manipulating the pet insurance schemes? i really could go on all night with lots of examples so while i agree the hancock business plan isn't ideal i genuinely believe there are lots of worse things happening and far worse breeders in the dog world,

 

Iv no doubt there are worse out there mate and the dogs could be in a much worse situation but we're not talking about them were on about Hancock and I was just stating my opinion on him.

[wuyang 513]

Id sooner keep hancock in business than give my money to 90% of the people who i have come across breeding lurchers.

[hedz31 1,308]

Ive been watching this thread last 2 days, i am really quite suprised that there is folks trying to defend him make excuse's for him and sugar coat what he doe's at the end of the day it's upto folk what they do and what they buy and folks morals differ but ye can sugar coat it all ye want when ye strip everything back he is a dog dealer/peddlar nothing more nothing less