im slippy 4 Posted July 11, 2012 Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 who breeds the best pure deerhounds in the country today.............is there any pures that still work ,..... Quote Link to post
morton 5,368 Posted July 11, 2012 Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 who breeds the best pure deerhounds in the country today.............is there any pures that still work ,..... If you could obtain an original working type of Deerhound,there would be no real need to outcross it,to produce workers,few lurchers about today would stand up to one,for the work and type of land they were bred for.The KC ruined a once noble breed.There are breeders about trying to redress the situation,how soccessful they are is open to individual interpretation,thus the need to outcross to get the best out of what is now available.The right type in the right kennel are still a most useful tool. 2 Quote Link to post
the big chief 3,099 Posted July 11, 2012 Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 who breeds the best pure deerhounds in the country today.............is there any pures that still work ,..... If you could obtain an original working type of Deerhound,there would be no real need to outcross it,to produce workers,few lurchers about today would stand up to one,for the work and type of land they were bred for.The KC ruined a once noble breed.There are breeders about trying to redress the situation,how soccessful they are is open to individual interpretation,thus the need to outcross to get the best out of what is now available.The right type in the right kennel are still a most useful tool. spot on i recon morton couldn't agree with you any more i no platty has pures witch are a racey type he says from old working lines butt have never seen one of his pures work but they are nowt like the big boned things ya see they are prety simler to my 1/2 x i have Quote Link to post
little jack 14 Posted July 11, 2012 Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 saw some at the new forrest show last year, never got a name but all her dogs worked until the ban Quote Link to post
*The*Field*Marshall* 674 Posted July 11, 2012 Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 Doxhope Deerhounds ??? 1 Quote Link to post
BEARINATOR 2,868 Posted July 12, 2012 Report Share Posted July 12, 2012 Doxhope Deerhounds ??? Cookland deerhounds now Quote Link to post
*The*Field*Marshall* 674 Posted July 12, 2012 Report Share Posted July 12, 2012 Cookland?? Educate me. I've heard a bit about Bill Doherty, seems a credible and respected breeder of working deerhounds. ? Quote Link to post
BEARINATOR 2,868 Posted July 12, 2012 Report Share Posted July 12, 2012 Cookland?? Educate me. I've heard a bit about Bill Doherty, seems a credible and respected breeder of working deerhounds. ? Bill sold his stock to a Mr. Cookland so they are now known as Cookland deerhounds mate , I've still got some Doxhope in my deer/greys though 2 Quote Link to post
*The*Field*Marshall* 674 Posted July 12, 2012 Report Share Posted July 12, 2012 Cookland?? Educate me. I've heard a bit about Bill Doherty, seems a credible and respected breeder of working deerhounds. ? Bill sold his stock to a Mr. Cookland so they are now known as Cookland deerhounds mate , I've still got some Doxhope in my deer/greys though Aha, thanks Bear. Yes, got a wee bit in my dog Oscar, his sire was doxhope bred. All the best. 1 Quote Link to post
lamp+battery 98 Posted July 12, 2012 Report Share Posted July 12, 2012 doxhope is in the sire n dam to my pups and in my other bitch i bread, my mate has a 3/4 bread big bitch racey type she has taken a few year to come on but hasent let him down, but that is the deerhound so laid back and slow to come on (jmo), lampy Quote Link to post
Dave N 9 Posted July 13, 2012 Report Share Posted July 13, 2012 Deerhounds are designed to run the Scottish highlands the highland ground is the worst running ground for a dog imaginable and you cant appreciate it unless you see it and try to walk it. They are big dogs that have to be very durable with good feet and plenty of stamina to run red deer over horrendous ground they after the chase they need to keep them at bay until the owner catches up or they have to try kill them, hard job never mind after 10 min chase over highland ground. When people say someone has working deerhounds they are small and racy made! not sure they are traditional working types and maybe what someone thinks they should be like?? Why would you want one for working unless your working heavy heavy hill ground?? In dohertys book he says he worked them often on rabbits, I have worked them on rabbits but only because I was young and it was the only dog I could get my hands on at the time, its more a hobby dog unless used on the correct ground for the dog to work like it was bread to. First crosses are more of a handy dog for a bit of anything, some people rate them very highly. 2 Quote Link to post
Romany 1,065 Posted July 13, 2012 Report Share Posted July 13, 2012 Yes I worked my deerhounds on rabbits, and, pretty often, but certainly not as my first choice, I used them like I did the lurchers to keep what I had as a working strain, I had, they lamped rabbits and ferreted and did corn cuttings, a good deerhound is about the same as an average lurcher (on rabbits) Ive also worked them on hare, fox and deer.. As for size.....when deerhounds were doing what they were bred for, they were certainly NOT the size of what we now see in the show ring..the old breed standard (which no one seems to go by) states 28inch for bitches and 30 inches for dogs, NO Doxhope pure bred deerhound was under these dimesions.. 4 Quote Link to post
Dave N 9 Posted July 13, 2012 Report Share Posted July 13, 2012 Yes I worked my deerhounds on rabbits, and, pretty often, but certainly not as my first choice, I used them like I did the lurchers to keep what I had as a working strain, I had, they lamped rabbits and ferreted and did corn cuttings, a good deerhound is about the same as an average lurcher (on rabbits) Ive also worked them on hare, fox and deer.. As for size.....when deerhounds were doing what they were bred for, they were certainly NOT the size of what we now see in the show ring..the old breed standard (which no one seems to go by) states 28inch for bitches and 30 inches for dogs, NO Doxhope pure bred deerhound was under these dimesions.. Buy a first cross collie/gray for rabbits, waste of time trying to keep a working strain by running them on rabbits in grass parks they will never show you if they are up to the original job so whats the point?? Seen your doxhope dogs run few times on white hares, In my opinion they done well but no better or worse than most of the more serious coursers dogs on the hill. Am I write in saying they originated rosslin bred dogs? Quote Link to post
shamus 36 Posted July 14, 2012 Report Share Posted July 14, 2012 i have one of trevors bitches,she can most definitely work but an open forum is not the place for discussing that. If nobody keeps working deerhounds,where will the blood for crossing come from? 2 1 Quote Link to post
Romany 1,065 Posted July 14, 2012 Report Share Posted July 14, 2012 Ha, ha, ha Did more than running rabbits.. What I did on the hills or on the fens with the stuck up deerhound crowd was just a fraction of what my dogs did, If you did see my dogs there, you saw about 1% of what they were capable of, and what you will of seen, was my dogs killing a hare on every course they had in every competition they were entered in, they were killers not coursers..deerhound coursing with the deerhound club was another piece in the jigsaw that kept my dogs working dogs....but, like you say...what was the point.. 5 Quote Link to post
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