Lab 10,979 Posted July 7, 2012 Report Share Posted July 7, 2012 dont follow that fighting malarky, but i know a bit aboot seagull lol, cannae see what aikido has to offer these dudes, aint things like finger locks banned from the competions?? seagull maybe not everybody idea of a hard man, or even as a martial artist, his style of aikido is a form of defense thats why he dont do comps, an im surprised he taught it to somebody who could/will use it in that way.. fook am all anyways, they may think they hard, but they aint bulletproof Aikido would be great if Silva decided to go up a weight where he would be the smaller guy. Using the momentum of the other person for throws and stuff........... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lab 10,979 Posted July 7, 2012 Report Share Posted July 7, 2012 Come on guys, are you being serious! This is playground stuff and who knows what anybody can get from anyone else, we are not in the loop and probably never will be. Every type of fighter has other types or styles that he has a jinx against or just cant deal with. I recently sparred with a 17st K1 fighter who was a semi pro boxer, I barely lasted a 5 minute round and couldnt see straight for 2 days after! A little while after I went up against a fella who gave the K1 fighter a real hard time and we ended up on the floor, I somehow managed to get an RNC(complete luck), this guy is way out of my league usually and now wants to take me apart! I also have a friend who I train with who is 9st dripping wet and I often watch him demolish guys up to twice his size with Muay Thai skills, his ground game is pretty effective as well as he is like a worm that never stops moving. By the way not trying to show I am tough or anything of a sort as I usually get whipped and go just for the love of it and the fitness. Pat (currently with a broken rib) Not joking! But surely you can see why someone with a 7th degree black belt in Aikido might be useful to Silva......never mind all the film stuff the guy obviously knows his stuff... aikido an choerography were made for each other, who can blame them for using it to there advantage in shitty films, dont mean them dudes cannae do that shit in real life tho lol I have a friend who is a black belt in Kickboxing and another who is a green belt. Now i know for a fact that my mate who is the green belt would destroy the black belt in a fight...its only because he has been doing it longer that he is black belt. Now i'm not saying that Segal is a hard man, who knows, but what i'm saying is he has studied a martial art to the highest level and if he can pass some of that over too Silva then he can only benefit...... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
staffs riffraff 1,068 Posted July 7, 2012 Report Share Posted July 7, 2012 agree pretty much on segal but i think a young b.lee was around now with a proper trining camp etc im pretty sure he would be elite level in his weight class. His speed and dedication along with his strength would be too much for most bad example but look at kung lee i wouldnt say hes half as good as bruce but he aint too bad but whether hed be cut if he wasnt in films is another matter Quote Link to post Share on other sites
reddawn 2,173 Posted July 7, 2012 Report Share Posted July 7, 2012 Come on guys, are you being serious! This is playground stuff and who knows what anybody can get from anyone else, we are not in the loop and probably never will be. Every type of fighter has other types or styles that he has a jinx against or just cant deal with. I recently sparred with a 17st K1 fighter who was a semi pro boxer, I barely lasted a 5 minute round and couldnt see straight for 2 days after! A little while after I went up against a fella who gave the K1 fighter a real hard time and we ended up on the floor, I somehow managed to get an RNC(complete luck), this guy is way out of my league usually and now wants to take me apart! I also have a friend who I train with who is 9st dripping wet and I often watch him demolish guys up to twice his size with Muay Thai skills, his ground game is pretty effective as well as he is like a worm that never stops moving. By the way not trying to show I am tough or anything of a sort as I usually get whipped and go just for the love of it and the fitness. Pat (currently with a broken rib) Not joking! But surely you can see why someone with a 7th degree black belt in Aikido might be useful to Silva......never mind all the film stuff the guy obviously knows his stuff... aikido an choerography were made for each other, who can blame them for using it to there advantage in shitty films, dont mean them dudes cannae do that shit in real life tho lol I have a friend who is a black belt in Kickboxing and another who is a green belt. Now i know for a fact that my mate who is the green belt would destroy the black belt in a fight...its only because he has been doing it longer that he is black belt. Now i'm not saying that Segal is a hard man, who knows, but what i'm saying is he has studied a martial art to the highest level and if he can pass some of that over too Silva then he can only benefit...... oh i agree, seagull studied under the best there was, learnt from the horses mouth so to speak, my lad has been at jkd for about 6 months an seems to be a natural, there is lads in his class 3 years older an many belts higher an they aint even at his standard, some folk are just better than others, there aint many people in the world who are as good or as highly qualified at that aikido mallarky than seagull, anyways that enuff fighting talk, ill end up watching no retreat no surrender an going joggin again in the morn Quote Link to post Share on other sites
staffs riffraff 1,068 Posted July 7, 2012 Report Share Posted July 7, 2012 hope sonnen brakes his face anyway and tito gets the win Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lab 10,979 Posted July 7, 2012 Report Share Posted July 7, 2012 Come on guys, are you being serious! This is playground stuff and who knows what anybody can get from anyone else, we are not in the loop and probably never will be. Every type of fighter has other types or styles that he has a jinx against or just cant deal with. I recently sparred with a 17st K1 fighter who was a semi pro boxer, I barely lasted a 5 minute round and couldnt see straight for 2 days after! A little while after I went up against a fella who gave the K1 fighter a real hard time and we ended up on the floor, I somehow managed to get an RNC(complete luck), this guy is way out of my league usually and now wants to take me apart! I also have a friend who I train with who is 9st dripping wet and I often watch him demolish guys up to twice his size with Muay Thai skills, his ground game is pretty effective as well as he is like a worm that never stops moving. By the way not trying to show I am tough or anything of a sort as I usually get whipped and go just for the love of it and the fitness. Pat (currently with a broken rib) Not joking! But surely you can see why someone with a 7th degree black belt in Aikido might be useful to Silva......never mind all the film stuff the guy obviously knows his stuff... aikido an choerography were made for each other, who can blame them for using it to there advantage in shitty films, dont mean them dudes cannae do that shit in real life tho lol I have a friend who is a black belt in Kickboxing and another who is a green belt. Now i know for a fact that my mate who is the green belt would destroy the black belt in a fight...its only because he has been doing it longer that he is black belt. Now i'm not saying that Segal is a hard man, who knows, but what i'm saying is he has studied a martial art to the highest level and if he can pass some of that over too Silva then he can only benefit...... oh i agree, seagull studied under the best there was, learnt from the horses mouth so to speak, my lad has been at jkd for about 6 months an seems to be a natural, there is lads in his class 3 years older an many belts higher an they aint even at his standard, some folk are just better than others, there aint many people in the world who are as good or as highly qualified at that aikido mallarky than seagull, anyways that enuff fighting talk, ill end up watching no retreat no surrender an going joggin again in the morn That is one of my favourite films................. "So, it is you, the brother"........"But this time its going to be different ,,, Russian".. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,121 Posted July 7, 2012 Report Share Posted July 7, 2012 Why is it so hard to take in that a MMA fighter might want to take tips from a 7th Degree Black belt? No one is forcing Silva to take tips from Segal so he must see something in it? Just because Segal chose movies instead of fighting doesn't mean he cant handle himself. Theres alot more money in films than there is in Martial Arts mate and we all have to make a living. Clearly you missed the point.......it takes a lot more than fighting skills to be a great trainer............. How are his motivational skills,how does he read a fight tactically,what is his conditioning knowledge and dedication like,can he click and bond with a fighter,can he pick a fighter up when the chips are down,can he get the absolute best out of a fighter.............................................theres a lot more to sucessfully training fighters than " being a black belt ". Quote Link to post Share on other sites
reddawn 2,173 Posted July 7, 2012 Report Share Posted July 7, 2012 (edited) Why is it so hard to take in that a MMA fighter might want to take tips from a 7th Degree Black belt? No one is forcing Silva to take tips from Segal so he must see something in it? Just because Segal chose movies instead of fighting doesn't mean he cant handle himself. Theres alot more money in films than there is in Martial Arts mate and we all have to make a living. Clearly you missed the point.......it takes a lot more than fighting skills to be a great trainer............. How are his motivational skills,how does he read a fight tactically,what is his conditioning knowledge and dedication like,can he click and bond with a fighter,can he pick a fighter up when the chips are down,can he get the absolute best out of a fighter.............................................theres a lot more to sucessfully training fighters than " being a black belt ". same as footballers as managers, or scholars as teachers, dont always work Edited July 7, 2012 by reddawn Quote Link to post Share on other sites
redpat1 225 Posted July 7, 2012 Report Share Posted July 7, 2012 Come on guys, are you being serious! This is playground stuff and who knows what anybody can get from anyone else, we are not in the loop and probably never will be. Every type of fighter has other types or styles that he has a jinx against or just cant deal with. I recently sparred with a 17st K1 fighter who was a semi pro boxer, I barely lasted a 5 minute round and couldnt see straight for 2 days after! A little while after I went up against a fella who gave the K1 fighter a real hard time and we ended up on the floor, I somehow managed to get an RNC(complete luck), this guy is way out of my league usually and now wants to take me apart! I also have a friend who I train with who is 9st dripping wet and I often watch him demolish guys up to twice his size with Muay Thai skills, his ground game is pretty effective as well as he is like a worm that never stops moving. By the way not trying to show I am tough or anything of a sort as I usually get whipped and go just for the love of it and the fitness. Pat (currently with a broken rib) Not joking! But surely you can see why someone with a 7th degree black belt in Aikido might be useful to Silva......never mind all the film stuff the guy obviously knows his stuff... Yeah of course mate, I think all of the fighting arts have manouveres and tecniques that could be of benefit to an individual from another discipline in any given situation. I have nothing against Segal either, he is just not my cup of tea but anybody who can master a Martial Art or any sport for that matter has my upmost respect as very few of us can reach an elite level at anything. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lab 10,979 Posted July 7, 2012 Report Share Posted July 7, 2012 Why is it so hard to take in that a MMA fighter might want to take tips from a 7th Degree Black belt? No one is forcing Silva to take tips from Segal so he must see something in it? Just because Segal chose movies instead of fighting doesn't mean he cant handle himself. Theres alot more money in films than there is in Martial Arts mate and we all have to make a living. Clearly you missed the point.......it takes a lot more than fighting skills to be a great trainer............. How are his motivational skills,how does he read a fight tactically,what is his conditioning knowledge and dedication like,can he click and bond with a fighter,can he pick a fighter up when the chips are down,can he get the absolute best out of a fighter.............................................theres a lot more to sucessfully training fighters than " being a black belt ". He's not his trainer or coach he has just taught him a few moves........you wont see Segal coming in the Octagon with a towel and a bucket mate........... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
moonlighter 1,164 Posted July 7, 2012 Report Share Posted July 7, 2012 Correct lab, segal is not his coach. He just came down to gym in brazil. The same as Freddie roach is not GSP's coach, though he does take him on the pads. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
moonlighter 1,164 Posted July 7, 2012 Report Share Posted July 7, 2012 There is a 7th dan jujitsu black belt who lives near me. He's not the greatest trainer in the world, but he certainly has a few tricks up his sleeve that are worth listening too. He is a pretty decent pro boxing coach though, but very old school. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,121 Posted July 7, 2012 Report Share Posted July 7, 2012 (edited) He's not his trainer or coach he has just taught him a few moves........you wont see Segal coming in the Octagon with a towel and a bucket mate........... Oh ok fair enough......i was under the impression from the way the thread reads that he was his trainer....................must admit i dont really keep up with mma........in that case i spose theres no harm in showing him a few things Edited July 7, 2012 by gnasher16 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
moonlighter 1,164 Posted July 7, 2012 Report Share Posted July 7, 2012 Seeing as silva is the best pound for pound fighter in the world, there is probally not much he dosnt know about fighting. His coaches will be more motivation and game plan building than telling him where to plant his feet lol. I for one, will be setting my alarm and watching this fight live! Carnt wait. And as for rematches not living up to the hype, try telling Aturo Gatti and Micky Ward or Grey Maynard and Franky Edgar!! Lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Moscow Posted July 7, 2012 Report Share Posted July 7, 2012 I hope Silva loses badly his fights are very boring, the worst champion to watch the UFC has ever had. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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