Rook food?

[Guest ragumup]

baldie, as iv said i / we spend a thousand pounds or more planting game cover every year, so your saying i should sit and watch the branches grow old and then grub up all my plots don't make me laugh... your right there not the most prolific egg stealer's/ chick snatchers but they DO do it, so if every 10 or even 100 i shoot saves 1 pheasant then I'm totally justified in what i do..... molly is entitled to do what she is, it shows that not all us hunting folk are totally blinkered towards death, but it don't mean that what i / we do is wrong..... or you going to tell me different

 

 

So you believe that the death of a 100 rooks is worth it to save one pheasant do you?

I,ve known dozens of keepers over the years, and sadly , most of them think like you, you and your sort belong with the victorians, and their methods of vermin control, and its you, and your sort, that will see game shooting banned. it is no secret, on here, that i,ve no time whatsoever for game shooters, or keepers, you fuckers didn,t support the hunts, before or after the ban, so dont bleat on to me about livelyhoods. Game shootings house, is f*****g well out of order, and always has been, think on, i,m on the inside, and i know full well what goes on........

If its a WILD pheasant nest or grey partridge nest then yes it is worth 100 rooks seeing as there's thousands round here and not thousands of grey partridges, ill admit the way some commercial shoots/keepers are run they do have a lot to answer for but again your taring us all with the same brush, most keepers do their bit for wild life more than any other organization ie RSPB and all the others put together with the millions of hectares {if you add up the whole country} of game plots that go in every year for game helping all the little birds/finches/tits/warblers etc and mammals hares/voles and other forms wild life {my places covered with hares and buzzards} with food and shelter through the winter months and its only shot through maybe once fortnight here, so i don't wont rooks destroying my game plots , add this to improving woods ie warming them up, and the foxes and corvids we control and we save countless other ground nesting birds eggs lapwings/curlews /capercaillie etc youve known dozens of keepers but youve never actually been one, got the t shirt like And as for the hunts iv always supported them, me and my mates {some keepers} were all at the march down in London , :whistle:

Edited May 31, 2007 by ragumup

[Guest baldie]

You see , you are making assumptions there fella.I have keepering experience albeit, on a voluntary basis.I ran a small pheasant shoot a few years ago, for a syndicate of 8 guns.I gave it up, when i realised i was putting all that time and effort in, for a bunch of ill mannered tossers, who couldn,t shoot, had appallingly behaved dogs, and thought it sporting, to blast birds in the treetops, because they hadn,t the skill to take them further away.You need to take a closer look at your crow population, its more likely, them, and badgers that are destroying your wild nests.

 

As an aside, there is a rookery near me, that is reputedly mentioned in the domesday book, unfortunatly, it gets smaller every year, but still numbers around 300 nests.This rookery hasnt been shot, in generations, the farmland around it in excellent condition, and the whole area, for miles around it, is split between three game shoots. The keepers kill the real vermin, and everything thrives.Anyone in the Barnsley area, will know of it, its next to the deer farm, at worsborough, between junction 36 and 37 on the m1, and can be seen from the motorway.

[alimac 882]

baldie, as iv said i / we spend a thousand pounds or more planting game cover every year, so your saying i should sit and watch the branchers grow old and then grub up all my plots dont make me laugh... your right there not the most prolific egg stealers/ chick snatchers but they DO do it, so if every 10 or even 100 i shoot saves 1 pheashant then im totaly justified in what i do..... molly is entitled to do what she is, it shows that not all us hunting folk are totally blinkered towards death, but it dont mean that what i / we do is wrong..... or you going to tell me different

 

 

So you believe that the death of a 100 rooks is worth it to save one pheasant do you?

I,ve known dozens of keepers over the years, and sadly , most of them think like you, you and your sort belong with the victorians, and their methods of vermin control, and its you, and your sort, that will see game shooting banned. it is no secret, on here, that i,ve no time whatsoever for game shooters, or keepers, you fuckers didn,t support the hunts, before or after the ban, so dont bleat on to me about livelyhoods. Game shootings house, is f*****g well out of order, and always has been, think on, i,m on the inside, and i know full well what goes on........

 

again your presuming... im a hunt terrier man as well as a keeper, so there goes that idea, your very presumptious pal...

 

millet i await all the other similar threads to disapear then... well done

 

sorry molly this is the last you will here of me on this subject / thread

Edited May 31, 2007 by alimac

[Guest MOLLY]

ragumup, alimac......no probs. To discuss keepering is part of the thread...a natural progression for the thread to take, i have no problems with that

It has actually educated me a bit more about it. The rookery they have shot at mine hold a measily 10 nests maximun, even the farmer was surprised it had been bothered, i dont think it usually gets shot. But from reading you posts i now know why, they have cultivated a small piece of land, about 100x70ft max....for game cover, directly underneath the rookery. All the land they could have chosen and they choose there. I just think its sad really.

MOLL.

[Guest SJM]

I cant see why you are bothering either with the avian vermin , they should have been necked. If you wanted birds for an aviary I can think of better birds to acquire than these black vermin.

 

Corvids should be culled at every opportunity !!

 

Too right, I would be spending my time looking for rook food. . . . to put down as bait to get the rest of the fuckers to sit still long enough so I can shoot them as well

[BLACKBOB 9]

 

 

"i,ve no time whatsoever for game shooters, or keepers, you fuckers didn,t support the hunts, before or after the ban, so dont bleat on to me about livelyhoods."

 

 

Baldie, please dont tar us all with the same brush, i help run two small private shoots and we all do different forms of hunting as well as the game shooting we enjoy, theres boys who hunt with dogs, others that shoot with fire arms, fishing, deer stalking the lot. I realy enjoy the shoot with these guys and talking about their type of hunting, not that i agree with some things they do or sometimes how they do it, but i dont get involved in their sport. I do know tho that most of them support the hunts, before and now. So from your comment above i gather when the time comes for them to have a go at banning pheasent shoots we cant rely on your support then

 

 

 

"I have keepering experience albeit, on a voluntary basis.I ran a small pheasant shoot a few years ago, for a syndicate of 8 guns.I gave it up, when i realised i was putting all that time and effort in, for a bunch of ill mannered tossers, who couldn,t shoot, had appallingly behaved dogs, and thought it sporting, to blast birds in the treetops, because they hadn,t the skill to take them further away."

 

 

Agree with what you said above and i would feel the same, but i dont take no shit off them and any ill mannered tosser or someone with no control of their dogs would be f****d off pretty sharpe, and i wouldnt give a flying F##k who they were. so your bad experience above had already tainted your views on game shoots and shooters. From my expierience its the more expensive shoots that attract the type of people you are talking about and the money they pay they are seldomley corrected. .

 

 

 

Molly well done for trying to look after these littleones as many of the replies have said. Your trying your best for them where they had no chance otherwise.

 

Im sorry to voice my feelings above on your thread and very seldomly do this type of thing but we must try and stick togeather in the name of hunting, regardless as to wether we agree / like other peoples activities or not.

 

Cheers bob

[Guest little_lloyd]

Your doing a good job with them Molly Keep it up

[Guest Lurcherbitch]

Hows it going??

[Guest MOLLY]

Roger died yesterday

He had been doing very well, eating loads, put on weight. Became quite tame and unphased by handling. I think the starvation had been past the point of no return and his internal organs may well have been damaged beyond repair. Even though it's upsetting after all the work, and getting attached to him, im pleased i did it and learned a great deal.

MOLL.

[Guest Lurcherbitch]

Oh god, sorry Moll .

[J Darcy 5,871]

You see , you are making assumptions there fella.I have keepering experience albeit, on a voluntary basis.I ran a small pheasant shoot a few years ago, for a syndicate of 8 guns.I gave it up, when i realised i was putting all that time and effort in, for a bunch of ill mannered tossers, who couldn,t shoot, had appallingly behaved dogs, and thought it sporting, to blast birds in the treetops, because they hadn,t the skill to take them further away.You need to take a closer look at your crow population, its more likely, them, and badgers that are destroying your wild nests.

 

As an aside, there is a rookery near me, that is reputedly mentioned in the domesday book, unfortunatly, it gets smaller every year, but still numbers around 300 nests.This rookery hasnt been shot, in generations, the farmland around it in excellent condition, and the whole area, for miles around it, is split between three game shoots. The keepers kill the real vermin, and everything thrives.Anyone in the Barnsley area, will know of it, its next to the deer farm, at worsborough, between junction 36 and 37 on the m1, and can be seen from the motorway.

Baldie , i disagree with you when you say jays eat mainly acorns. i have spent a great deal of time watching and hunting these birds and i can tell you when spring comes they are predators and they do take eggs and chicks. I have watched them hunt in pairs together trying to track down nests in the woods. Once the young fledge however it is usually the first week in june and then they spend all day in the oaks gorging on the green caterpillars. JMHO. JD