paulus 26 Posted July 2, 2012 Report Share Posted July 2, 2012 Lab will be going mental when sees those pics lol Bonnie kids mate. ...I'm beginning to think every c**t just lives in the kennel and the dogs have the houses......... :censored: just for you lab FFS mate do you polish the floors of they kennels..............and look at that water bucket, i dont even buy them that shiny.... that water bucket is a slop bucket that walked home from the pub with me one night ive got the ice bucket in the other kennel Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted July 2, 2012 Report Share Posted July 2, 2012 Lab will be going mental when sees those pics lol Bonnie kids mate. Cheers pal! Also I can't imagine a house without a dog in it. They have always been one, as far back as I remember . I've always lived with a dog in the house, only spent about 5 years out of 34 without living round one.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
graham4877 1,181 Posted July 2, 2012 Report Share Posted July 2, 2012 would not keep my dogs out side round here, to many dirty pikeys driving up and down the back street so they'l go missing! and f****d if am putting 2 years worth of training in to my dogs for some scruffy f*****g twat to have them! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Baghdadnights 150 Posted July 2, 2012 Report Share Posted July 2, 2012 Same here keep the dogs in the house already had an attempt at nicking them out of my van with quite spectacular results thanks to the terrier Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paulus 26 Posted July 2, 2012 Report Share Posted July 2, 2012 dont have any of that around here, have you met my mrs :laugh: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,046 Posted July 2, 2012 Report Share Posted July 2, 2012 Trained him as I did with all the others and he is spot on. Like I stated this is the only glitch I have with him. I can't stress enough, how at any other time bar one of my family or mates coming in, he is a dream to own. My question was am I right in thinking its the bull in him? Id be of the opinion that the bull blood is more than likely the reason for stubborness and not allowing himself to be overwhelmed or dominated by you.......but i dont think anyone wants a dog that will just take a beating and go hide in the corner i couldnt respect a dog like that. Im sure many people who have owned pure bulls will be familiar with the old " bottom jaw trembling " in excitement...ive been on the end of that a few times where it turned into what we used to call the " love bites " just an exciteable little nip you just put up with it.....but thats nothing to do with being bitten..... I havent looked through the whole of this thread but im sure someone somewhere has come out with the old " no bad dogs just bad owners " saying...........makes me cringe every time i see that it has to be the most naive saying anyone ever invented about dogs ! 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
graham4877 1,181 Posted July 2, 2012 Report Share Posted July 2, 2012 Trained him as I did with all the others and he is spot on. Like I stated this is the only glitch I have with him. I can't stress enough, how at any other time bar one of my family or mates coming in, he is a dream to own. My question was am I right in thinking its the bull in him? Id be of the opinion that the bull blood is more than likely the reason for stubborness and not allowing himself to be overwhelmed or dominated by you.......but i dont think anyone wants a dog that will just take a beating and go hide in the corner i couldnt respect a dog like that. Im sure many people who have owned pure bulls will be familiar with the old " bottom jaw trembling " in excitement...ive been on the end of that a few times where it turned into what we used to call the " love bites " just an exciteable little nip you just put up with it.....but thats nothing to do with being bitten..... I havent looked through the whole of this thread but im sure someone somewhere has come out with the old " no bad dogs just bad owners " saying...........makes me cringe every time i see that it has to be the most naive saying anyone ever invented about dogs ! my bullx bitch dose that! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stewie 3,387 Posted July 2, 2012 Report Share Posted July 2, 2012 Ok seeing as this came up I have a slight glitch with my dog Ive had running dogs all my life, been around since day I was born. Currently the lurcher I have right now ( just turned 2) there a slight bit of bull in its make up. Anyway he is an affectionate dog, always pleased to see folk,in fact gets a bit over excited. Now the problem is when he is on that excited state, and you try to force him into the kitchen say , the wee b*****d will face you up. Now I'm not one to lay into my charges, but he caught me in a foul mood one day, And as I tried to push him in the kitchen again he faced me up. So I belted him with my hand. The c**t showed his teeth , do he got slapped again still showing teeth . Now like I say this is by no means a trait he shows any other time, in fact barring that he is close to one of the best lurchers I've owned. Now partly I blame the bull in him, as I have never had this problem with any other dog , I'll also take blame myself cause I do tend to let them away with more than most would . Mainly because I stay by myself. If I had kids here it would be a different ball game. Just wondering is this a trait with bull crosses ? Like I said never owned one before. Always gabbing your hands when you go to take him out and putting the lead on him or putting your shoes on . Now I don't want any f*****g smart comments like shoot it or get shot of it. So don't bother of that's all you have to add. Under Normal conditions, ie if it's just us in the house he obeys all commands, however someone comes in, and you try And curb his excited state, and he is clearly not happy. He is excited and wants to join the fun, you are trying to remove him from the fun and he doesn't like it. Does your front door open directly into the lounge or is there a hallway? What is the dog's initial reaction to the knock at the door - barking, running back and forth etc? What training does the dog know? scot often likes to sit in front of the fire with his labs.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stewie 3,387 Posted July 2, 2012 Report Share Posted July 2, 2012 Trained him as I did with all the others and he is spot on. Like I stated this is the only glitch I have with him. I can't stress enough, how at any other time bar one of my family or mates coming in, he is a dream to own. My question was am I right in thinking its the bull in him? Id be of the opinion that the bull blood is more than likely the reason for stubborness and not allowing himself to be overwhelmed or dominated by you.......but i dont think anyone wants a dog that will just take a beating and go hide in the corner i couldnt respect a dog like that. Im sure many people who have owned pure bulls will be familiar with the old " bottom jaw trembling " in excitement...ive been on the end of that a few times where it turned into what we used to call the " love bites " just an exciteable little nip you just put up with it.....but thats nothing to do with being bitten..... I havent looked through the whole of this thread but im sure someone somewhere has come out with the old " no bad dogs just bad owners " saying...........makes me cringe every time i see that it has to be the most naive saying anyone ever invented about dogs ! my bullx bitch dose that! ive done it at a rave once or twice, in the past..... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lab 10,979 Posted July 2, 2012 Report Share Posted July 2, 2012 Trained him as I did with all the others and he is spot on. Like I stated this is the only glitch I have with him. I can't stress enough, how at any other time bar one of my family or mates coming in, he is a dream to own. My question was am I right in thinking its the bull in him? Id be of the opinion that the bull blood is more than likely the reason for stubborness and not allowing himself to be overwhelmed or dominated by you.......but i dont think anyone wants a dog that will just take a beating and go hide in the corner i couldnt respect a dog like that. Im sure many people who have owned pure bulls will be familiar with the old " bottom jaw trembling " in excitement...ive been on the end of that a few times where it turned into what we used to call the " love bites " just an exciteable little nip you just put up with it.....but thats nothing to do with being bitten..... I havent looked through the whole of this thread but im sure someone somewhere has come out with the old " no bad dogs just bad owners " saying...........makes me cringe every time i see that it has to be the most naive saying anyone ever invented about dogs ! my bullx bitch dose that! ive done it at a rave once or twice, in the past..... ..Only thing you were biting was the inside of your gums though........... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stewie 3,387 Posted July 2, 2012 Report Share Posted July 2, 2012 Trained him as I did with all the others and he is spot on. Like I stated this is the only glitch I have with him. I can't stress enough, how at any other time bar one of my family or mates coming in, he is a dream to own. My question was am I right in thinking its the bull in him? Id be of the opinion that the bull blood is more than likely the reason for stubborness and not allowing himself to be overwhelmed or dominated by you.......but i dont think anyone wants a dog that will just take a beating and go hide in the corner i couldnt respect a dog like that. Im sure many people who have owned pure bulls will be familiar with the old " bottom jaw trembling " in excitement...ive been on the end of that a few times where it turned into what we used to call the " love bites " just an exciteable little nip you just put up with it.....but thats nothing to do with being bitten..... I havent looked through the whole of this thread but im sure someone somewhere has come out with the old " no bad dogs just bad owners " saying...........makes me cringe every time i see that it has to be the most naive saying anyone ever invented about dogs ! my bullx bitch dose that! ive done it at a rave once or twice, in the past..... ..Only thing you were biting was the inside of your gums though........... :laugh: true!!! dry mouth and blisters,,,worst combo on a comedown,,, Quote Link to post Share on other sites
graham4877 1,181 Posted July 2, 2012 Report Share Posted July 2, 2012 Trained him as I did with all the others and he is spot on. Like I stated this is the only glitch I have with him. I can't stress enough, how at any other time bar one of my family or mates coming in, he is a dream to own. My question was am I right in thinking its the bull in him? Id be of the opinion that the bull blood is more than likely the reason for stubborness and not allowing himself to be overwhelmed or dominated by you.......but i dont think anyone wants a dog that will just take a beating and go hide in the corner i couldnt respect a dog like that. Im sure many people who have owned pure bulls will be familiar with the old " bottom jaw trembling " in excitement...ive been on the end of that a few times where it turned into what we used to call the " love bites " just an exciteable little nip you just put up with it.....but thats nothing to do with being bitten..... I havent looked through the whole of this thread but im sure someone somewhere has come out with the old " no bad dogs just bad owners " saying...........makes me cringe every time i see that it has to be the most naive saying anyone ever invented about dogs ! my bullx bitch dose that! ive done it at a rave once or twice, in the past..... ..Only thing you were biting was the inside of your gums though........... :laugh: true!!! dry mouth and blisters,,,worst combo on a comedown,,, nice bit of salty water before bed,, and you still felt ruff as f**k :laugh: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lab 10,979 Posted July 2, 2012 Report Share Posted July 2, 2012 Trained him as I did with all the others and he is spot on. Like I stated this is the only glitch I have with him. I can't stress enough, how at any other time bar one of my family or mates coming in, he is a dream to own. My question was am I right in thinking its the bull in him? Id be of the opinion that the bull blood is more than likely the reason for stubborness and not allowing himself to be overwhelmed or dominated by you.......but i dont think anyone wants a dog that will just take a beating and go hide in the corner i couldnt respect a dog like that. Im sure many people who have owned pure bulls will be familiar with the old " bottom jaw trembling " in excitement...ive been on the end of that a few times where it turned into what we used to call the " love bites " just an exciteable little nip you just put up with it.....but thats nothing to do with being bitten..... I havent looked through the whole of this thread but im sure someone somewhere has come out with the old " no bad dogs just bad owners " saying...........makes me cringe every time i see that it has to be the most naive saying anyone ever invented about dogs ! my bullx bitch dose that! ive done it at a rave once or twice, in the past..... ..Only thing you were biting was the inside of your gums though........... :laugh: true!!! dry mouth and blisters,,,worst combo on a comedown,,, Can honestly say i never had one......thats why i really enjoyed years 18 and 19....... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
skycat 6,173 Posted July 2, 2012 Report Share Posted July 2, 2012 Ok seeing as this came up I have a slight glitch with my dog Ive had running dogs all my life, been around since day I was born. Currently the lurcher I have right now ( just turned 2) there a slight bit of bull in its make up. Anyway he is an affectionate dog, always pleased to see folk,in fact gets a bit over excited. Now the problem is when he is on that excited state, and you try to force him into the kitchen say , the wee b*****d will face you up. Now I'm not one to lay into my charges, but he caught me in a foul mood one day, And as I tried to push him in the kitchen again he faced me up. So I belted him with my hand. The c**t showed his teeth , do he got slapped again still showing teeth . Now like I say this is by no means a trait he shows any other time, in fact barring that he is close to one of the best lurchers I've owned. Now partly I blame the bull in him, as I have never had this problem with any other dog , I'll also take blame myself cause I do tend to let them away with more than most would . Mainly because I stay by myself. If I had kids here it would be a different ball game. Just wondering is this a trait with bull crosses ? Like I said never owned one before. Always gabbing your hands when you go to take him out and putting the lead on him or putting your shoes on . Now I don't want any f*****g smart comments like shoot it or get shot of it. So don't bother of that's all you have to add. Under Normal conditions, ie if it's just us in the house he obeys all commands, however someone comes in, and you try And curb his excited state, and he is clearly not happy. Mouthy dogs are usually high drive dogs. It is natural for a dog to want to grab on to stuff when it gets excited: think of a dog a bit like an automatic car: it is either in drive mode, or park mode: when it is in park mode it is not switched on, so to speak, but the moment it comes out of park mode the high drive dog needs to do something with that energy, and being a dog, it uses its mouth to latch on to something, anything will do, but something moving is most appealing: this is why when dealing with excitable dogs you need to keep you arms folded, and remain still. The more you try and chastise the dog the more it is attracted to your moving body and hands. Stopping them doing this is very simple: teach the dog the word NO. This should have been done whilst the dog was still a little puppy: right from day one when it grabbed on to your fingers. Hitting an excitable, high drive adult dog that is in drive mode is a stupid thing to do, partly because if the dog is really pushed it will come back at you twice as hard if it has no respect for you, and partly because it ruins the relationship between you and the dog. By hitting it you are merely making an already tense situation worse. Respect works both ways, and it is up to the owner to teach the dog respect, and give respect at the same time. You can only train such a dog if you are calm and in control of yourself; the moment you get angry you have lost. There is only one way to deal with these dogs and that is by teaching them manners in a calm, controlled way. People who don't have sufficient skills as a dog trainer need to learn how to train properly. I think you hit the nail on the head when you said that you let the dog 'get away' with more than you would if you had kids or other people around. If the dog has never been taught how to control itself you can't blame it, which I realise you aren't. But its not too late to rectify things, though you can only do that if you start by changing the way you respond to the dog when it gets excited. You need to teach the dog to sit when it gets excited, like before you go out for a walk. Teach it to sit and reward it with a titbit immediately it does so. With a lot of practice your dog will sit and stay sitting while you put your boots on: but it does take time: don't expect such a dog to learn how to control its excitement in a short time, especially as you have always allowed it to get away with mouthing in the past. You need to practice the sit in different places, and at different levels of excitement, starting with non exciting situations, and gradually building up the sitting in the most exciting ones. Training is all about conditioning a dog to behave in a certain way, and that takes time and practice on both your parts. I have a young dog who was a real biting pup, and a jumper: he is now coming up 18 months of age, and he can only now control himself and remain quietly lying down while I put my boots on. Then he's leaping again, and every single day I put him in a sit before I open the back gate. Last week for the first time I was able to open the gate wide without him leaping through it: he is very high drive and not always very biddable being a Saluki type. So this is how long it is taking me to teach him basic manners: I wouldn't wish this dog on my worst enemy, but we're reaching the sort of understanding that makes all the pain and effort worth while, but he's nowhere near finished yet, and I know that I won't have exactly the dog that I know he can be until he is at least 3 years old: he's still going to be growing up until then. I think that a lot of people don't realise how long some dogs stay puppies, and with lurchers especially, which have been bred from a mixture of not always biddable or easily trained breeds, combined with a very high prey drive...........it's no wonder that people have problems with them. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scothunter 12,609 Posted July 2, 2012 Report Share Posted July 2, 2012 Cheers sky cat brilliant post as per usual. Yes lol I did let grab at my hands as a pup, so I put my hands up there. He does know and respect the word "no" when out in the field or when I'm with him. However the minute another human being comes on the scene , he chooses to ignore, although he will heel andir down , when you raise the tone in your voice. Like gnasher said practically shaking to get back to the visitor. Your spot on about high prey drive. Other than than my racing greys, I've never seen such a high drive in a lurcher. He will be on to a crisp poke blowing in the wind in a flash . Tbh lol he would pass as a greyhound maybe slightly more built and a bigger head. Cheers for the advice , I'll go back to basics with him in that dept. if I can just solve this wee niggle , I'd be more than happy. Cause he a cracking dog. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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