Malt 379 Posted July 2, 2012 Report Share Posted July 2, 2012 Child shouldn't be left with dog in first place. Dead dog and blame attached to whoever left the child with the dog would be the scenario of it was my dog.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hutch6 550 Posted July 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2012 anyone wanna just tell me the main point?? yeh , i think she is trying to defend dogs that bite .? i think she talks crap. any dog that bites i think should be its last if kids are involved end off. even if its adult the trust as gone, so what good is it to.man .? humans 1st dogs 2nd . I agree. I told my kids at the start when I first brought dogs into the home around them that if they ever do anything to one of our dogs which results in the dog biting them, it'll be the last thing that dog ever does and it will be their fault. Thankfully they've always thought enough of the dogs to not want them dead so have always respected them.. The other side of it is that it's down to me to ensure the dogs are brought up to be sound round the kids.. So the dog potentially loses its life through the misdirected action of your children? Nice way of teaching the kids to respect the dogs. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scothunter 12,609 Posted July 2, 2012 Report Share Posted July 2, 2012 Ok seeing as this came up I have a slight glitch with my dog Ive had running dogs all my life, been around since day I was born. Currently the lurcher I have right now ( just turned 2) there a slight bit of bull in its make up. Anyway he is an affectionate dog, always pleased to see folk,in fact gets a bit over excited. Now the problem is when he is on that excited state, and you try to force him into the kitchen say , the wee b*****d will face you up. Now I'm not one to lay into my charges, but he caught me in a foul mood one day, And as I tried to push him in the kitchen again he faced me up. So I belted him with my hand. The c**t showed his teeth , do he got slapped again still showing teeth . Now like I say this is by no means a trait he shows any other time, in fact barring that he is close to one of the best lurchers I've owned. Now partly I blame the bull in him, as I have never had this problem with any other dog , I'll also take blame myself cause I do tend to let them away with more than most would . Mainly because I stay by myself. If I had kids here it would be a different ball game. Just wondering is this a trait with bull crosses ? Like I said never owned one before. Always gabbing your hands when you go to take him out and putting the lead on him or putting your shoes on . Now I don't want any f*****g smart comments like shoot it or get shot of it. So don't bother of that's all you have to add. Under Normal conditions, ie if it's just us in the house he obeys all commands, however someone comes in, and you try And curb his excited state, and he is clearly not happy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
graham4877 1,181 Posted July 2, 2012 Report Share Posted July 2, 2012 anyone wanna just tell me the main point?? yeh , i think she is trying to defend dogs that bite .? i think she talks crap. any dog that bites i think should be its last if kids are involved end off. even if its adult the trust as gone, so what good is it to.man .? humans 1st dogs 2nd . I agree. I told my kids at the start when I first brought dogs into the home around them that if they ever do anything to one of our dogs which results in the dog biting them, it'll be the last thing that dog ever does and it will be their fault. Thankfully they've always thought enough of the dogs to not want them dead so have always respected them.. The other side of it is that it's down to me to ensure the dogs are brought up to be sound round the kids.. ahaha we think alike mate! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted July 2, 2012 Report Share Posted July 2, 2012 anyone wanna just tell me the main point?? yeh , i think she is trying to defend dogs that bite .? i think she talks crap. any dog that bites i think should be its last if kids are involved end off. even if its adult the trust as gone, so what good is it to.man .? humans 1st dogs 2nd . I agree. I told my kids at the start when I first brought dogs into the home around them that if they ever do anything to one of our dogs which results in the dog biting them, it'll be the last thing that dog ever does and it will be their fault. Thankfully they've always thought enough of the dogs to not want them dead so have always respected them.. The other side of it is that it's down to me to ensure the dogs are brought up to be sound round the kids.. So the dog potentially loses its life through the misdirected action of your children? Nice way of teaching the kids to respect the dogs. No, it ensures my children don't disrespect the dogs in the first place. Don't know how you raise your kids but mine absolutely love our dogs like they do with all of our animals and wouldn't want any harm to come to them... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paulus 26 Posted July 2, 2012 Report Share Posted July 2, 2012 Ok seeing as this came up I have a slight glitch with my dog Ive had running dogs all my life, been around since day I was born. Currently the lurcher I have right now ( just turned 2) there a slight bit of bull in its make up. Anyway he is an affectionate dog, always pleased to see folk,in fact gets a bit over excited. Now the problem is when he is on that excited state, and you try to force him into the kitchen say , the wee b*****d will face you up. Now I'm not one to lay into my charges, but he caught me in a foul mood one day, And as I tried to push him in the kitchen again he faced me up. So I belted him with my hand. The c**t showed his teeth , do he got slapped again still showing teeth . Now like I say this is by no means a trait he shows any other time, in fact barring that he is close to one of the best lurchers I've owned. Now partly I blame the bull in him, as I have never had this problem with any other dog , I'll also take blame myself cause I do tend to let them away with more than most would . Mainly because I stay by myself. If I had kids here it would be a different ball game. Just wondering is this a trait with bull crosses ? Like I said never owned one before. Always gabbing your hands when you go to take him out and putting the lead on him or putting your shoes on . Now I don't want any f*****g smart comments like shoot it or get shot of it. So don't bother of that's all you have to add. Under Normal conditions, ie if it's just us in the house he obeys all commands, however someone comes in, and you try And curb his excited state, and he is clearly not happy. are you sure hes hes not just curling his lips as this happens in some dogs when they get excited Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hutch6 550 Posted July 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2012 Ok seeing as this came up I have a slight glitch with my dog Ive had running dogs all my life, been around since day I was born. Currently the lurcher I have right now ( just turned 2) there a slight bit of bull in its make up. Anyway he is an affectionate dog, always pleased to see folk,in fact gets a bit over excited. Now the problem is when he is on that excited state, and you try to force him into the kitchen say , the wee b*****d will face you up. Now I'm not one to lay into my charges, but he caught me in a foul mood one day, And as I tried to push him in the kitchen again he faced me up. So I belted him with my hand. The c**t showed his teeth , do he got slapped again still showing teeth . Now like I say this is by no means a trait he shows any other time, in fact barring that he is close to one of the best lurchers I've owned. Now partly I blame the bull in him, as I have never had this problem with any other dog , I'll also take blame myself cause I do tend to let them away with more than most would . Mainly because I stay by myself. If I had kids here it would be a different ball game. Just wondering is this a trait with bull crosses ? Like I said never owned one before. Always gabbing your hands when you go to take him out and putting the lead on him or putting your shoes on . Now I don't want any f*****g smart comments like shoot it or get shot of it. So don't bother of that's all you have to add. Under Normal conditions, ie if it's just us in the house he obeys all commands, however someone comes in, and you try And curb his excited state, and he is clearly not happy. He is excited and wants to join the fun, you are trying to remove him from the fun and he doesn't like it. Does your front door open directly into the lounge or is there a hallway? What is the dog's initial reaction to the knock at the door - barking, running back and forth etc? What training does the dog know? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hutch6 550 Posted July 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2012 are you sure hes hes not just curling his lips as this happens in some dogs when they get excited My working collie smiles. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scothunter 12,609 Posted July 2, 2012 Report Share Posted July 2, 2012 Paulus I know when a grey is smiling bud lol This ain't a smile. Trained him as I did with all the others and he is spot on. Like I stated this is the only glitch I have with him. I can't stress enough, how at any other time bar one of my family or mates coming in, he is a dream to own. My question was am I right in thinking its the bull in him? If he is jumping about And I shout at him to heel or lie beside me , he does so immediately , it's only if I take him out of the picture altogether , ie forcing him into the kitchen. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scothunter 12,609 Posted July 2, 2012 Report Share Posted July 2, 2012 Yea he barks if someone comes to door And that's the start of his excitement. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lab 10,979 Posted July 2, 2012 Report Share Posted July 2, 2012 Ok seeing as this came up I have a slight glitch with my dog Ive had running dogs all my life, been around since day I was born. Currently the lurcher I have right now ( just turned 2) there a slight bit of bull in its make up. Anyway he is an affectionate dog, always pleased to see folk,in fact gets a bit over excited. Now the problem is when he is on that excited state, and you try to force him into the kitchen say , the wee b*****d will face you up. Now I'm not one to lay into my charges, but he caught me in a foul mood one day, And as I tried to push him in the kitchen again he faced me up. So I belted him with my hand. The c**t showed his teeth , do he got slapped again still showing teeth . Now like I say this is by no means a trait he shows any other time, in fact barring that he is close to one of the best lurchers I've owned. Now partly I blame the bull in him, as I have never had this problem with any other dog , I'll also take blame myself cause I do tend to let them away with more than most would . Mainly because I stay by myself. If I had kids here it would be a different ball game. Just wondering is this a trait with bull crosses ? Like I said never owned one before. Always gabbing your hands when you go to take him out and putting the lead on him or putting your shoes on . Now I don't want any f*****g smart comments like shoot it or get shot of it. So don't bother of that's all you have to add. Under Normal conditions, ie if it's just us in the house he obeys all commands, however someone comes in, and you try And curb his excited state, and he is clearly not happy. He is excited and wants to join the fun, you are trying to remove him from the fun and he doesn't like it. Does your front door open directly into the lounge or is there a hallway? What is the dog's initial reaction to the knock at the door - barking, running back and forth etc? What training does the dog know? Well thats tough titties i'm afraid......its a dog ffs and not halfers on the mortgage. Now this is the problem with dogs in the house.......they think they own the place when a visitor comes round and act like you are invading 'its' space so they try and test you. Scot in no way when i visited you did i feel threatened with Beau......but if i was scared off or not sure about dogs then a big powerful dog like him would get me panicking with his over excitement. You know what i'm going to say.........................GET IT IN THE KENNEL.. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mrs Mole 74 Posted July 2, 2012 Report Share Posted July 2, 2012 We as Dog owners have two responsibles as i see it. firstly to insure the our dogs are well trained, socialized and stable, secondly to insure that all those who came into contact with our dogs are safe and free from harm. I have three dogs, the lab has had a kid stick an ice cream into his muzzle without warning whilst we were walking down the street in cornwall, no problem, he enjoyed it, ok the kid ended up in tears, not because my dog bit she, but because he eat the ice cream, i just bought the kid another one, but with a warning not to do it again to any other dog, my dog was socilaized and stable with a sound temperment. But the kid was in the wrong, what were the parents doing allowing a kid to approach a strange dog and feed it ice cream, how would their react if i stuck an ice cream in their nose??? Kids and non dog owners need to educated. None of my dogs have bitten a person, but if they did unprovoked i would go straight to the vets. There is no such thing as a bad dog, just bad owners, the same goes for kids.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scothunter 12,609 Posted July 2, 2012 Report Share Posted July 2, 2012 Knew before I seen end you would say that mate lol I do agree with you. And if I had kids here he would be. He has been in house from day one , And he prob does think he had the right to do as he likes. Another example , my last lurcher if I tied it outside a shop, while I nipped in for a packet fags , And some kid went up and hit it a slap, she would cow away , I have no doubt whatsoever if that scenario happened with beau.he would bite them. Reason why I will take him home before going to shop. Btw he has never shown any aggression towards any stranger. Very much the opposite of that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Saho-man 50 Posted July 2, 2012 Report Share Posted July 2, 2012 Now partly I blame the bull in him, unbelievable ... i used to smack my pure apbt if he did something wrong and the others i had... never even stared, they would run and hide. blame your dog not the bull . 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paulus 26 Posted July 2, 2012 Report Share Posted July 2, 2012 ive got 3 bull x`s here scot, 1 will chew your fingers when hes excited, like when you undo the run door ect. another will rub his head on your legg. excitability is a trait in bull crosses. im with lab on this dogs place is in the kennel, clear defined space for both parties. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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