undisputed 1,664 Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 I'm all for hearing people's opposing views on the subject but why do people who oppose it always have to pull the worse case scenarios out when talking about drug use? Not everybody who has the odd smoke now and again get the psychological addiction that heavy dope users get and have to constantly be stoned out of their trees.. Drug abuse is a bad thing but it's no different or no worse than alcohol abuse. Just like there are people who enjoy the occasional social drink and don't feel the need to be pissed all the time, there are people who like the occasional smoke and don't feel the need to be stoned 24/7.. As I have said all along mate, it NOT about the individual for me, it's the PRINCIPAL of legalisation and acceptance I think is a dangerous thing for society at large I have family who are regular weed users, very good friends who are regular weed users.....salt of the earth blokes, but I still don't think it should be legal and widely accepted and I certainly don't think it's harmless in any sense, same as booze! It's not often we agree on anything wulfy but nail right on the head regarding the weed..taking any mind altering substance over a period of time will damage you mentally....not to mention the shite it gets cut up with to bulk it out. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
undisputed 1,664 Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 If tobacco were introduced now, it would be class A immediately. If alcohol were introduced, that would be criminalised too. Each to their own IMO, I know plenty who smoke it and they're no different to anyone else. On the other hand, I know smokers with emphysema, bronchitis, cancer you name it. Alkies on the dole draining society, fatties draining the NHS, people taking the piss at every corner. WILF, we need less control, and here's why I think that - Most aspects of our lives are controlled to some degree. Take the benefit system... The safety net is there to fcuk your life up and let everyone else pick up the pieces. Had kids? We'll pay. 'Depressed'? Sod it just stay at home. Drunk too much, taken too many drugs over the years? Here, have a house and don't worry about working again. On the other hand, if people had an honest education about things then there's no one else to blame for their choices. We all make mistakes, but I'm sick of meeting people who have never given a toss about the consequences of their actions. My message would be; smoke it all you want, but don't come moaning in ten years if you've overdone it. Not feasible in today's society, may I add. All fine sentiments if your a single guy with no responsibilities....but try explaning that to 3-4-5yr olds they aint getting their dinner cause mum and dad need to score some smack 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 I'm all for hearing people's opposing views on the subject but why do people who oppose it always have to pull the worse case scenarios out when talking about drug use? Not everybody who has the odd smoke now and again get the psychological addiction that heavy dope users get and have to constantly be stoned out of their trees.. Drug abuse is a bad thing but it's no different or no worse than alcohol abuse. Just like there are people who enjoy the occasional social drink and don't feel the need to be pissed all the time, there are people who like the occasional smoke and don't feel the need to be stoned 24/7.. As I have said all along mate, it NOT about the individual for me, it's the PRINCIPAL of legalisation and acceptance I think is a dangerous thing for society at large I have family who are regular weed users, very good friends who are regular weed users.....salt of the earth blokes, but I still don't think it should be legal and widely accepted and I certainly don't think it's harmless in any sense, same as booze! Interesting perspective mate, and it certainly isn't without it's dangers. I just think the reasoning behind the current legislation is based on outdated ideals and morals that were originally put in place for totally different reasons than the ones that are flimsily used to prop it up today, especially concerning cannabis. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 46,832 Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 I'm all for hearing people's opposing views on the subject but why do people who oppose it always have to pull the worse case scenarios out when talking about drug use? Not everybody who has the odd smoke now and again get the psychological addiction that heavy dope users get and have to constantly be stoned out of their trees.. Drug abuse is a bad thing but it's no different or no worse than alcohol abuse. Just like there are people who enjoy the occasional social drink and don't feel the need to be pissed all the time, there are people who like the occasional smoke and don't feel the need to be stoned 24/7.. As I have said all along mate, it NOT about the individual for me, it's the PRINCIPAL of legalisation and acceptance I think is a dangerous thing for society at large I have family who are regular weed users, very good friends who are regular weed users.....salt of the earth blokes, but I still don't think it should be legal and widely accepted and I certainly don't think it's harmless in any sense, same as booze! Interesting perspective mate, and it certainly isn't without it's dangers. I just think the reasoning behind the current legislation is based on outdated ideals and morals that were originally put in place for totally different reasons than the ones that are flimsily used to prop it up today, especially concerning cannabis. I don't just feel that way about legalisation of drugs mate, I feel the same about homosexuality, birds with 5 kids by 4 fathers, Carey / sharey look after the nut job laws, free methadone.......in fact most modern " everythings OK" attitudes.......I was born 50 years too late !! Lol lol 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PlasticJock 539 Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 If tobacco were introduced now, it would be class A immediately. If alcohol were introduced, that would be criminalised too. Each to their own IMO, I know plenty who smoke it and they're no different to anyone else. On the other hand, I know smokers with emphysema, bronchitis, cancer you name it. Alkies on the dole draining society, fatties draining the NHS, people taking the piss at every corner. WILF, we need less control, and here's why I think that - Most aspects of our lives are controlled to some degree. Take the benefit system... The safety net is there to fcuk your life up and let everyone else pick up the pieces. Had kids? We'll pay. 'Depressed'? Sod it just stay at home. Drunk too much, taken too many drugs over the years? Here, have a house and don't worry about working again. On the other hand, if people had an honest education about things then there's no one else to blame for their choices. We all make mistakes, but I'm sick of meeting people who have never given a toss about the consequences of their actions. My message would be; smoke it all you want, but don't come moaning in ten years if you've overdone it. Not feasible in today's society, may I add. All fine sentiments if your a single guy with no responsibilities....but try explaning that to 3-4-5yr olds they aint getting their dinner cause mum and dad need to score some smack That's my point mate society needs to change. We can't go on treating eeryone like children because it obviously doesn't work, people will do what they want either way. Perhaps if social services got their fingers out and the EU human rights fcuked off, children could be taken away from smackheads until (IF) they get sorted. I've seen both sides of the coin as most of us have. Why should I pay for a potheads treatment? I shouldn't. But I pay for every other twat who's chosen a particular path in life and expects us mugs to pick up the tab. I'd educate youngsters properly, the way drug and sex education is at the moment is a joke - all quiet and whispers and giggles. It's a serious, life changing decision to dabble in that shit, and they need to know the consequences of doing so. Then, if they still want to experiment, fine. But if they require anything from me in the future they can stick it. Natural selection at its finest we're overpopulated as it is. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
whippet 99 2,613 Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 is it cus you black ........................, in all serious i dont care who does drugs as long as its not near me or my family. i just see what it does to some people and its just a downward spiral if your addicted. i have a good mate come out the army , his best mate blown up in front of him , when he came out he didnt get the right help and he turned to drugs and now is a heroine addict. what a lovely guy he was , we tried steering him away by taking him out , but his dad would tell us hes back on it again. i dont tolerate drugs for my own reasons , especially when theres children involved. remember a young boy out playing where i was working , looked a dear little soul and his mother came out the house to call him in, she verbally abused him for no reason , she had a job to stand up, right out of her tree. what life has this poor lad got in front of him..............that will always stick in my mind.......really upset me , this innocent child out playing happily , then his junkie mum calls him every name under the sun..... i was going to knock on the door , but my boss said dont ......... people who say drugs in small doses or used moderately is ok ............what message is this sending out to people and especially are future children, but solicitors do it , doctors do it....., does it matter who does it .everybody is different and everybody has different reasons and i for one dont want my children to think its ok to do drugs when there older ............ so why do people come on the internet and try and protect drugs ............. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scothunter 12,609 Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 Think you should give some of the youth some credit., not all weed smokers abuse it. Spoke to a few youngsters at my work who smoked it, And gave up cause they got bored with it or for whatever reason , most students prob dabbled in it, And go on to cracking jobs. I'm certainly not in fav of making all drugs legal , that's just madness. I just find it strange that done take on "weed" and in most cases line a good drink. Prob watching thier kids with a drink in them. It's a fact cannabis ain't killed anyone if that was the same with drink they would promote that fact till the cows came home. Been a good discussion though, and civil. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PlasticJock 539 Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 .... I'm just protecting my right to do as I wish without impacting anyone else's life. I don't do drugs personally, experimented, but they aren't for me. ''Don't do drugs but cigarettes and alcohol are ok'' seems to be the hypocritical message being bandied about today! (Not directed at anyone on here). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
graham4877 1,181 Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 f**k it if the government say its wrong then its wrong if they says it right it is, why because i am one of many sheeple! Now shut the f**k up the lot of you and take heed of your government, everything is ok 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scothunter 12,609 Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 No offence whippet but when did young adults take what thier elders say as gospel? They prob know more about drugs andvits affects than us. We all dabbled in stuff when we're young, it's called growing up. Yes you can advise them, but in most cases will just laugh . IMHO all those robbing junkies, are just weak minded , and thier demise can't come quick enough for me. Only a waster will stick that needle in his arm. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ideation 8,216 Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 Drugs are 'the killer of bright futures' . . . . . . . . . ?????? Any idea, how many very successful, intelligent, talented etc folk, smoked a bit of pot????? People have been smoking it since way way way way back, before the Romans, it's even referenced in the bible. At the end of the day, they chuck crazy amounts of money and man power at the problem and it only gets bigger. So a change of policy is in order i think. By legalizing it, the biggest advantage, is taking the money out of the hands of organized crime, which in turn uses the profits from growing and selling weed, for other far far far worse things, such as people smuggling, heroin trafficking and terrorism. It also stops us criminalizing people who wish to alter their mind in one way, and not the other legally sanctioned way. It's frankly ludicrous, to give folk hassle for smoking a joint, and yet condone the drinking of alcohol, which has a far greater potential for harm. This is the type of thing that makes me laugh, why is heroine worse then? There's been plenty of talented and artistic people who have and do function perfectly well while being heroine/ opium addicts......should we legalise that as well? And when it's legal and someones son or daughter comes home with a gramme of horse, then we would all be fine with that would we? Is it all about " progress" then?......because if it is, then we all think it's fine that queers can all bugger each other from the age of 16 ( legally still a child) It's got f**k all to do with if it's good or bad for the individual, all these lowering of barriers is shit for society at large that's the important thing. Keep it under wraps, keep it illegal and hopefully my kids and there kids won't think it's all OK Well actually i DO think we should legalise smack . . . . . but that's another discussion. You don't really have an argument there. . . . It's kept under wraps at the moment and still, millions you peoples children smoke it. . . . .. Where is the logic in persuing a policy that just doesnt work, and throwing huge amounts of money at something like that? With it being illegal, an open and honest discussion is stopped, and so children slink off to the margins to do it, i work with them EVERY day. Legalisation of drugs has been proven to work on reducing use and harm. And why should acohol be legal and cannabis not? Alcohol is FAR more dangerous, not my opinion, but that of leading scientists and drug workers (after all drink IS a drug). As for homosexuality - why is it ok for a guy to f**k a girl at 16, but not another guy?????? 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
graham4877 1,181 Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 No offence whippet but when did young adults take what thier elders say as gospel? They prob know more about drugs andvits affects than us. We all dabbled in stuff when we're young, it's called growing up. Yes you can advise them, but in most cases will just laugh . IMHO all those robbing junkies, are just weak minded , and thier demise can't come quick enough for me. Only a waster will stick that needle in his arm. the've gotta make their own mistakes! what everyone should remember is your only here once so try everything...and live your live! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IanB 0 Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 I'm all for hearing people's opposing views on the subject but why do people who oppose it always have to pull the worse case scenarios out when talking about drug use? Not everybody who has the odd smoke now and again get the psychological addiction that heavy dope users get and have to constantly be stoned out of their trees.. Drug abuse is a bad thing but it's no different or no worse than alcohol abuse. Just like there are people who enjoy the occasional social drink and don't feel the need to be pissed all the time, there are people who like the occasional smoke and don't feel the need to be stoned 24/7.. As I have said all along mate, it NOT about the individual for me, it's the PRINCIPAL of legalisation and acceptance I think is a dangerous thing for society at large I have family who are regular weed users, very good friends who are regular weed users.....salt of the earth blokes, but I still don't think it should be legal and widely accepted and I certainly don't think it's harmless in any sense, same as booze! Interesting perspective mate, and it certainly isn't without it's dangers. I just think the reasoning behind the current legislation is based on outdated ideals and morals that were originally put in place for totally different reasons than the ones that are flimsily used to prop it up today, especially concerning cannabis. I don't just feel that way about legalisation of drugs mate, I feel the same about homosexuality, birds with 5 kids by 4 fathers, Carey / sharey look after the nut job laws, free methadone.......in fact most modern " everythings OK" attitudes.......I was born 50 years too late !! Lol lol It forms into a habit with people, I didn't mind it at all, BUT I knocked it on the head long ago...long term memory was abysmal, and friends, well it can be a gateway drug but either way, people just lose there life and sense of direction with it... Friends still take it, but its pointless, I've got too much to live for than sit spaced out stoned off that stuff... I agree they shouldn't legalise it, I've seen way too many peoples lives ruined..drink is the same, everyone gets into habits and routines before you know it, its taken as the norm.... Occasional and social use fair enough, every day, well, it destroys your life, thats for sure.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest thebigdog Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 Drugs are 'the killer of bright futures' . . . . . . . . . ?????? Any idea, how many very successful, intelligent, talented etc folk, smoked a bit of pot????? People have been smoking it since way way way way back, before the Romans, it's even referenced in the bible. At the end of the day, they chuck crazy amounts of money and man power at the problem and it only gets bigger. So a change of policy is in order i think. By legalizing it, the biggest advantage, is taking the money out of the hands of organized crime, which in turn uses the profits from growing and selling weed, for other far far far worse things, such as people smuggling, heroin trafficking and terrorism. It also stops us criminalizing people who wish to alter their mind in one way, and not the other legally sanctioned way. It's frankly ludicrous, to give folk hassle for smoking a joint, and yet condone the drinking of alcohol, which has a far greater potential for harm. This is the type of thing that makes me laugh, why is heroine worse then? There's been plenty of talented and artistic people who have and do function perfectly well while being heroine/ opium addicts......should we legalise that as well? And when it's legal and someones son or daughter comes home with a gramme of horse, then we would all be fine with that would we? Is it all about " progress" then?......because if it is, then we all think it's fine that queers can all bugger each other from the age of 16 ( legally still a child) It's got f**k all to do with if it's good or bad for the individual, all these lowering of barriers is shit for society at large that's the important thing. Keep it under wraps, keep it illegal and hopefully my kids and there kids won't think it's all OK Well actually i DO think we should legalise smack . . . . . but that's another discussion. You don't really have an argument there. . . . It's kept under wraps at the moment and still, millions you peoples children smoke it. . . . .. Where is the logic in persuing a policy that just doesnt work, and throwing huge amounts of money at something like that? With it being illegal, an open and honest discussion is stopped, and so children slink off to the margins to do it, i work with them EVERY day. Legalisation of drugs has been proven to work on reducing use and harm. And why should acohol be legal and cannabis not? Alcohol is FAR more dangerous, not my opinion, but that of leading scientists and drug workers (after all drink IS a drug). As for homosexuality - why is it ok for a guy to f**k a girl at 16, but not another guy?????? +1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scothunter 12,609 Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 I didn't see many 16 year olds on the news campaigning for the age consent to be lowered lol It was mostly old pervs lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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