The one 8,479 Posted June 27, 2012 Report Share Posted June 27, 2012 We all got pushed into getting our sia all fortyish of us and we where told it didn't apply to us , but we might have to go into our licence premises so would need it . load of crap the bars got there own security we still go in to deal with bother , ive never worm my badge never seen it for a year think its in my locker .none of us has been or heard of anybody getting checked they only want to push you threw as a money making exercise . 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scottishlurcher 0 Posted June 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 27, 2012 serious assualt served 12 months, i was charged in 1998 but not convicted till 1999 been nothing since apart from a breach of the peace in 2000, am i wasting my money doing the course? Ask the SIA. http://www.sia.homeo...contact-us.aspx If you served 12 months, how long were you sentenced for? Some offences (quite rightly) are never deemed as spent under the Rehabilitation of offenders act and so will follow you around forever. Can I ask why you're attracted to working the door, given that you have have a propensity for violence, if you got yourself in trouble when you weren't working the door ........... by fck the opportunities for trouble will increase 10 fold if you do work the door, what would your next sentence for violence be? Imagine getting life because you had a previous conviction, all because some little cock won't finish his drink on time ...... It's way too easy to be caught being naughty these days, I'd be looking for another career if I were you! thank you very much for the lecture, I was working the door when the incident happened and you feck all about the circumstances,plus i was 21 at the time and im now a 35 year old man married with children and i dont even know why im explaining myself to you.! That would probably be because you asked the original question !!! At 21 your much more likely to kick off than at 35, and even less so at 45 etc, BUT from what you have said you were working the door without a DS licence / training and ended up in the jug, SO, if you take a step backwards you have a history of ignoring the rules and a propensity to engage in violent conduct, that is not ideal DS material !!! I have a similar problem as my CRB follows me around like a ball and chain, the only option I was left with was working for myself as dependant on the offence (s) and the sentence handed down some of those things will never come off, some stay for 10 years some for 5 years etc, some offences have little or no effect but others will stop you getting a job at all, a lot depends on the prospective employer, good advice would be to have a friendly chat with the SIA and maybe a chat with someone already doing the job and preferably for a few years not someone full of vinegar who has just started, you could do a lot worse than a fella on here called strong stuff 1 incident is hardly a propensity for violence Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Strong Stuff 2,171 Posted June 27, 2012 Report Share Posted June 27, 2012 serious assualt served 12 months, i was charged in 1998 but not convicted till 1999 been nothing since apart from a breach of the peace in 2000, am i wasting my money doing the course? Ask the SIA. http://www.sia.homeo...contact-us.aspx If you served 12 months, how long were you sentenced for? Some offences (quite rightly) are never deemed as spent under the Rehabilitation of offenders act and so will follow you around forever. Can I ask why you're attracted to working the door, given that you have have a propensity for violence, if you got yourself in trouble when you weren't working the door ........... by fck the opportunities for trouble will increase 10 fold if you do work the door, what would your next sentence for violence be? Imagine getting life because you had a previous conviction, all because some little cock won't finish his drink on time ...... It's way too easy to be caught being naughty these days, I'd be looking for another career if I were you! thank you very much for the lecture, I was working the door when the incident happened and you feck all about the circumstances,plus i was 21 at the time and im now a 35 year old man married with children and i dont even know why im explaining myself to you.! That would probably be because you asked the original question !!! At 21 your much more likely to kick off than at 35, and even less so at 45 etc, BUT from what you have said you were working the door without a DS licence / training and ended up in the jug, SO, if you take a step backwards you have a history of ignoring the rules and a propensity to engage in violent conduct, that is not ideal DS material !!! I have a similar problem as my CRB follows me around like a ball and chain, the only option I was left with was working for myself as dependant on the offence (s) and the sentence handed down some of those things will never come off, some stay for 10 years some for 5 years etc, some offences have little or no effect but others will stop you getting a job at all, a lot depends on the prospective employer, good advice would be to have a friendly chat with the SIA and maybe a chat with someone already doing the job and preferably for a few years not someone full of vinegar who has just started, you could do a lot worse than a fella on here called strong stuff 1 incident is hardly a propensity for violence 2 ? You said a breach of the peace above too. Even if it is only 1 incident, it must have been a good one if you got a years jail! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scottishlurcher 0 Posted June 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 27, 2012 no 1 the breach had nothing to do with violence Quote Link to post Share on other sites
socks 32,253 Posted June 27, 2012 Report Share Posted June 27, 2012 serious assualt served 12 months, i was charged in 1998 but not convicted till 1999 been nothing since apart from a breach of the peace in 2000, am i wasting my money doing the course? Ask the SIA. http://www.sia.homeo...contact-us.aspx If you served 12 months, how long were you sentenced for? Some offences (quite rightly) are never deemed as spent under the Rehabilitation of offenders act and so will follow you around forever. Can I ask why you're attracted to working the door, given that you have have a propensity for violence, if you got yourself in trouble when you weren't working the door ........... by fck the opportunities for trouble will increase 10 fold if you do work the door, what would your next sentence for violence be? Imagine getting life because you had a previous conviction, all because some little cock won't finish his drink on time ...... It's way too easy to be caught being naughty these days, I'd be looking for another career if I were you! thank you very much for the lecture, I was working the door when the incident happened and you feck all about the circumstances,plus i was 21 at the time and im now a 35 year old man married with children and i dont even know why im explaining myself to you.! That would probably be because you asked the original question !!! At 21 your much more likely to kick off than at 35, and even less so at 45 etc, BUT from what you have said you were working the door without a DS licence / training and ended up in the jug, SO, if you take a step backwards you have a history of ignoring the rules and a propensity to engage in violent conduct, that is not ideal DS material !!! I have a similar problem as my CRB follows me around like a ball and chain, the only option I was left with was working for myself as dependant on the offence (s) and the sentence handed down some of those things will never come off, some stay for 10 years some for 5 years etc, some offences have little or no effect but others will stop you getting a job at all, a lot depends on the prospective employer, good advice would be to have a friendly chat with the SIA and maybe a chat with someone already doing the job and preferably for a few years not someone full of vinegar who has just started, you could do a lot worse than a fella on here called strong stuff 1 incident is hardly a propensity for violence 2 ? You said a breach of the peace above too. Even if it is only 1 incident, it must have been a good one if you got a years jail! S'S a conviction for violence and a years jail doesn't mean that you are a lunatic or in the wrong .... I was done for maliciouse Gbh a long time ago and in court was looking at 6 years jail ... However the judge had some common sense and I didn't go down ... Now if I had written that you would be saying I was a thug and had a propensity to violence etc etc because you don't know the circumstances ... But if I told you 3 guys tried to mug me one night but picked on the wrong guy and 2 of them went down pretty quick and I chased after the third to give him what he was due you would probably have a different slant on the situation ... Now I didn't help myself when once I was nicked CCTV seen the last bit of the incident so I was arrested and when in the holding cell they fetched one of the guys in to I'd me I had damaged his eye sockets so he had to come real close to the bars and as soon as he said yes it's him the wanker I reached out and pulled him smack into the bars and split his head ... Stupid yes but I was young they had tried to mug me I had been arrested And the scrote had the nerve to call me a wanker ..... Luckily by the time the court case came around my barrister had obtained CCTV footage from a nearby shop showing the first part of the altercation ... I was still done for maliciouse Gbh as I had purposely chased the fella down the road and gave him a beating then the silly incident in the holding cell BUT provocation being young and drink not thinking straight just been attacked etc etc etc Ll came into effect in court and I didn't go down .... Just goes to show that doing time doesn't mean it's your fault or you are a hot headed lunatic that can't be trusted ... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Strong Stuff 2,171 Posted June 27, 2012 Report Share Posted June 27, 2012 serious assualt served 12 months, i was charged in 1998 but not convicted till 1999 been nothing since apart from a breach of the peace in 2000, am i wasting my money doing the course? Ask the SIA. http://www.sia.homeo...contact-us.aspx If you served 12 months, how long were you sentenced for? Some offences (quite rightly) are never deemed as spent under the Rehabilitation of offenders act and so will follow you around forever. Can I ask why you're attracted to working the door, given that you have have a propensity for violence, if you got yourself in trouble when you weren't working the door ........... by fck the opportunities for trouble will increase 10 fold if you do work the door, what would your next sentence for violence be? Imagine getting life because you had a previous conviction, all because some little cock won't finish his drink on time ...... It's way too easy to be caught being naughty these days, I'd be looking for another career if I were you! thank you very much for the lecture, I was working the door when the incident happened and you feck all about the circumstances,plus i was 21 at the time and im now a 35 year old man married with children and i dont even know why im explaining myself to you.! That would probably be because you asked the original question !!! At 21 your much more likely to kick off than at 35, and even less so at 45 etc, BUT from what you have said you were working the door without a DS licence / training and ended up in the jug, SO, if you take a step backwards you have a history of ignoring the rules and a propensity to engage in violent conduct, that is not ideal DS material !!! I have a similar problem as my CRB follows me around like a ball and chain, the only option I was left with was working for myself as dependant on the offence (s) and the sentence handed down some of those things will never come off, some stay for 10 years some for 5 years etc, some offences have little or no effect but others will stop you getting a job at all, a lot depends on the prospective employer, good advice would be to have a friendly chat with the SIA and maybe a chat with someone already doing the job and preferably for a few years not someone full of vinegar who has just started, you could do a lot worse than a fella on here called strong stuff 1 incident is hardly a propensity for violence 2 ? You said a breach of the peace above too. Even if it is only 1 incident, it must have been a good one if you got a years jail! S'S a conviction for violence and a years jail doesn't mean that you are a lunatic or in the wrong .... I was done for maliciouse Gbh a long time ago and in court was looking at 6 years jail ... However the judge had some common sense and I didn't go down ... Now if I had written that you would be saying I was a thug and had a propensity to violence etc etc because you don't know the circumstances ... But if I told you 3 guys tried to mug me one night but picked on the wrong guy and 2 of them went down pretty quick and I chased after the third to give him what he was due you would probably have a different slant on the situation ... Now I didn't help myself when once I was nicked CCTV seen the last bit of the incident so I was arrested and when in the holding cell they fetched one of the guys in to I'd me I had damaged his eye sockets so he had to come real close to the bars and as soon as he said yes it's him the wanker I reached out and pulled him smack into the bars and split his head ... Stupid yes but I was young they had tried to mug me I had been arrested And the scrote had the nerve to call me a wanker ..... Luckily by the time the court case came around my barrister had obtained CCTV footage from a nearby shop showing the first part of the altercation ... I was still done for maliciouse Gbh as I had purposely chased the fella down the road and gave him a beating then the silly incident in the holding cell BUT provocation being young and drink not thinking straight just been attacked etc etc etc Ll came into effect in court and I didn't go down .... Just goes to show that doing time doesn't mean it's your fault or you are a hot headed lunatic that can't be trusted ... I didn't say it did? Have you got an SIA badge? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
socks 32,253 Posted June 27, 2012 Report Share Posted June 27, 2012 I have worked all over the world as an armed PPO mate I have definately got an sia license...... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Strong Stuff 2,171 Posted June 27, 2012 Report Share Posted June 27, 2012 I have worked all over the world as an armed PPO mate I have definately got an sia license...... So they do give them to people with convictions for violence offences. There is the answer to the OP's question then, you've got an SIA frontline DS badge, and a violence conviction, there's his precedent, no reason he shouldn't get one. I'd be pm'ing you about now if I was him. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
socks 32,253 Posted June 27, 2012 Report Share Posted June 27, 2012 I didn't say I got convicted did I ??? Just said I went to court .... Also 22 years as a frontline infantry soldier helps you get the license ... Sort of if the government can trust you to look after its elected government officials when they fancy a little publicity stunt to visit some shit hole in the world then the sia licensing board can't really refuse you can they ........ 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Strong Stuff 2,171 Posted June 27, 2012 Report Share Posted June 27, 2012 I didn't say I got convicted did I ??? Just said I went to court .... Also 22 years as a frontline infantry soldier helps you get the license ... Sort of if the government can trust you to look after its elected government officials when they fancy a little publicity stunt to visit some shit hole in the world then the sia licensing board can't really refuse you can they ........ No, really it doesn't, that is completely irrelevant if you don't meet the criteria then you won't get the badge, have you actually got an SIA frontline DS licence then? There is no "board" as such, that was the LA licensing years ago when they had a committee, SIA is supposed to be consistent, if you'd had a conviction then you would be unlikely to get the badge, I've met enough lads who've been refused in my years to know they do actually turn people down. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TOMO 26,175 Posted June 27, 2012 Report Share Posted June 27, 2012 your right there ss,, i got turned down about 6 years ago,,,,just had to do the course again about 2 month ago... just a money making scheem Quote Link to post Share on other sites
socks 32,253 Posted June 27, 2012 Report Share Posted June 27, 2012 your right there ss,, i got turned down about 6 years ago,,,,just had to do the course again about 2 month ago... just a money making scheem There you go nothing has changed except the name the Same governing body still controls the licensing and it is not black and white when it comes to convictions ......... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Strong Stuff 2,171 Posted June 27, 2012 Report Share Posted June 27, 2012 your right there ss,, i got turned down about 6 years ago,,,,just had to do the course again about 2 month ago... just a money making scheem There you go nothing has changed except the name the Same governing body still controls the licensing and it is not black and white when it comes to convictions ......... No, really it doesn't. It used to be the local council who had the say in who got them, I got turned down in 1990 and got it on appeal, I was turned down because I was seeing a Police Inspectors daughter, he was the licensing inspector and didn't much like me. Now, it is run by a central organisation, who have to be consistent and fair, decisions can be based solely on fact, as I said if you meet the criteria you get it, if not you don't. Socks have you got a current SIA F/L DS badge? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
socks 32,253 Posted June 27, 2012 Report Share Posted June 27, 2012 S's honestly mate my quals are a little different to what you get in the uk for working the doors or cp work the course I passed qualifies me world wide and where international protocol allows I can carry a weapon ......... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PlasticJock 539 Posted June 27, 2012 Report Share Posted June 27, 2012 Easy answer? Don't work in the UK Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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