White spots on lungs and liver

[Mawders 595]

Matt hooks it's nice to hear someone who knows what their talking about contribute. I feel I have learnt something today.

 

Cheers

[Phantom 631]

Anyone can do a google search and copy and paste from the results eh Matt

 

Would you eat a bunny if you found these:

 

 

 

 

Maybe the meat was fine, but would you risk snaffling it after finding that inside

Tony

[matt_hooks 188]

There are Tony, but none of them in the UK is zoonotic except for tularemia, and that's incredibly rare in the UK (I've never heard of a case in the UK).

[matt_hooks 188]

Tony, so I googled the names of some parts of the life cycle, doesn't make any difference to how correct the info is.

 

I have dealt with hundreds of deer, some with far worse looking livers than that pic, and each and every one has been passed fit for the food chain.

 

The lump on the shoulder is "possibly" a tapeworm cyst, and would result in the rejection of the carcass. Of course it could be an old injury, maybe a poorly placed air rifle shot or some kind of puncture wound.

 

That liver is infected with something but I'd be inclined to say not fluke. Fluke damage tends to show some hardening as it's effectively scar tissue. A quick cut or two in to the liver would tell you if it's fluke or not, they're pretty easy to spot.

 

If it's NOT fluke, then you need to start thinking about bacterial infections, these will be obvious because other parts of the carcass will show signs. The lymph nodes in the throat for example will be obviously inflamed.

 

So yes, if that liver damage was the only illness extant, I'd be happy to eat it.

Edited June 20, 2012 by matt_hooks

[Phantom 631]

Tony, so I googled the names of some parts of the life cycle, doesn't make any difference to how correct the info is.

 

Very true (I was having a laugh with yah Matt)

 

 

The lump on the shoulder is "possibly" a tapeworm cyst, and would result in the rejection of the carcass. Of course it could be an old injury, maybe a poorly placed air rifle shot or some kind of puncture wound.

 

Bang on Matt, Tapeworm cyst it was indeed.

 

That liver is infected with something but I'd be inclined to say not fluke. Fluke damage tends to show some hardening as it's effectively scar tissue. A quick cut or two in to the liver would tell you if it's fluke or not, they're pretty easy to spot.

 

It was very hard and rubbery Matt where as a normal liver would tear if pulled apart, this thing wouldn't, indeed it almost 'broke' when folded

 

If it's NOT fluke, then you need to start thinking about bacterial infections, these will be obvious because other parts of the carcass will show signs. The lymph nodes in the throat for example will be obviously inflamed.

 

So yes, if that liver damage was the only illness extant, I'd be happy to eat it.

 

But you still wont eat a mixie rabbit will yah Even though it can't spread to humans.

 

I've been going through some other of my 'autopsy' images that I've gathered up during my hunting, I think we should put together a photographic scrapbook of gammy livers, heres another that I thought could have been the initial stages of Liver fluke, however after reading your piece on the life cycle, I'm now not so sure as its purely around the edges of the liver.

 

 

Tony

[Mawders 595]

Lol Tony I think you need to get out more and leave the liver scrapbook for the winter months when you can't enjoy the sun, ;-)

 

ATB

 

Mawders

[ghillies 209]

a quesrion..little white threads around the heart/lung area, soft and break easy, are they heart worm? the one that constricts around the heart or in it...

 

 

and ermmm...thers been the odd case of mixie in humans btw... and 'unheard of' is a realtive turm, i had a proper tape worm, no doubts from the land i was frequenting and eating from, but the dc said no theyre unheard of... even sarkily made me put a square of tape on the old jacksy sphincter over night, and oo look just barely visable, a cluster of eggs from thr unheard of today tape worm.. they live years!!

 

the rat deseises are unheard of, the dear deseases are unheard of, as such you'll be warded off any tests because theres no need to test for a unheard of today deseise..ermmm meens yu dead by the way lol.

Edited June 20, 2012 by ghillies

[Flow 18]

I notice in both the photos the people are wearing gloves, should I be?

 

Ghillies, you have put me off eating rabbit now mate.

[matt_hooks 188]

Ghillies, lungworm live inside the bronchi of the lungs. They are fine white threadlike worms. In a recently dead rabbit you'll probably see them move when you cut in to the lung. There can also be heart worm, which are a similar looking worm but inside the heart. A rabbit with a serious heartworm or lungworm infection is going to be in pretty poor shape generally.

 

I'm interested in Mixy in humans. Can you show me a link with info about zoonosis of mixy between rabbits and humans? I've always been lead to believe that the organism isn't infective to humans. In fact I've just found a reference about a doctor who innoculated himself with a big dose of the virus, straight from an infected rabbit, and was unaffected, pretty good evidence that the virus just doesn't like humans!

 

As for "unheard of" I know of people who've had all sorts of strange infections over here. I stalked in the highlands for a while professionally, and had numerous tick bites, so I'm very aware of zoonotic diseases, especially the tick borne variety. I had to force the doc to give me a lyme test, even though it's a know Lyme area and I'd had dozens of tick bites. Also had a friend who picked up Weils, the doctors failed to diagnose it even when he suggested it. Also had the docs fail to diagnose infective endocarditus, which damn near killed me, so I know how difficult it can be to get a good diagnosis of an unusual infection.

 

That said, I've not seen a single piece of evidence of tularemia in the UK. I am quite happy to be corrected if someone has evidence of it though.

 

Tony, didn't mean it to come across as defensive, got a bit of a migraine going on so I'm typing through stars at the moment. I think your initial thoughts on the second liver are correct, it's almost certainly fluke. There's slight discolouration of the lobe of the liver still partly inside the body cavity as well. Again the only way to tell is to cut the liver open and look for the flukes, they should be easy to spot.

 

I think the reason I'd not eat a badly affected mixy rabbit is because there's bu##er all left to eat once they've been infected for a couple of weeks.

Edited June 21, 2012 by matt_hooks

[ghillies 209]

alas no, i cant remember the web site, was in some intensive debate about morals involved in genisidal deseise war fair tactique's, i.e. mixie strands. by the odd case its rare, and generaly concidered not transferable..'generally' is always a negative indicater to me though.

 

i discard anything dodgey tbh.. if it was life n death survival i'd cook well. but 'generally'...ffff lol no tah, the odds are good but the results 'could be' 'generaly' terminal lol.(i beleive its a polite version of rabies, or leprosy 'if caught' but cureable, ??, cureable? yes a few peeps have had it.).

 

 

in the ways of paristicals and stuffs, theres whats generally accepted by the suburbian house wife, that incudes great scientific helpers such as ' euwwww it looks orrable' and 'i dont like them creepy crawlies' lol..

so some things are 'unheard of' today, and since mixie is big budgeted effert, its generally not transferable to humans...always with a touch of salt, iodine..bleech.. lol, i not trust them them tbh, not 100 persent. theres always a situasion where its best not to tell.. like milaria was comman in england, not just marshy bits, or leprosy still lives in a spore state in the soil (you can get it..if you just handle old bones/soil).. a 'black heath' was so names because it was a mass black death burial pit, since 'things' generaly dont just disapeer, its entirely plusable yu dont wanna be digging around on one lol.(let alone living in those newly build houses for instance, but generally people wont get the desise if one does..well..its only one isnt it, an oddaty).

 

theres species of bugs in books we'll never get to see, let alone get the pass word to reference... thats for good reason, to protect them from curiosity of joe soap general public.

 

as for conspiricy theries...well.. what a loada bollox lmao! to diverge a bit, have you you tubed the alien conspiricy? ends in america is prtecting the planet from aliens who want bio mass, ok..it is 'posable' in a 'general' way but sheesh, the ufo peeps only wanted to trade with america soley, and wouldnt think of nicking 'bio mass' (us and other live things) from third world countries or any finks hahaha...

 

 

yes..theres a political structure that influences medical ermmm, publick knowladge to save people undue stress. (like we released a virous that could wipe us out after a little mutasion lmao! but mixie is harmless..i think).

[ghillies 209]

I notice in both the photos the people are wearing gloves, should I be?

 

Ghillies, you have put me off eating rabbit now mate.

 

dont worry about it... if you havent got or had it already i doubt you ever will do lol... sy.

[ghillies 209]

Tony, so I googled the names of some parts of the life cycle, doesn't make any difference to how correct the info is.

 

Very true (I was having a laugh with yah Matt)

 

 

The lump on the shoulder is "possibly" a tapeworm cyst, and would result in the rejection of the carcass. Of course it could be an old injury, maybe a poorly placed air rifle shot or some kind of puncture wound.

 

Bang on Matt, Tapeworm cyst it was indeed.

 

That liver is infected with something but I'd be inclined to say not fluke. Fluke damage tends to show some hardening as it's effectively scar tissue. A quick cut or two in to the liver would tell you if it's fluke or not, they're pretty easy to spot.

 

It was very hard and rubbery Matt where as a normal liver would tear if pulled apart, this thing wouldn't, indeed it almost 'broke' when folded

 

If it's NOT fluke, then you need to start thinking about bacterial infections, these will be obvious because other parts of the carcass will show signs. The lymph nodes in the throat for example will be obviously inflamed.

 

So yes, if that liver damage was the only illness extant, I'd be happy to eat it.

 

But you still wont eat a mixie rabbit will yah Even though it can't spread to humans.

 

I've been going through some other of my 'autopsy' images that I've gathered up during my hunting, I think we should put together a photographic scrapbook of gammy livers, heres another that I thought could have been the initial stages of Liver fluke, however after reading your piece on the life cycle, I'm now not so sure as its purely around the edges of the liver.

 

 

Tony

 

 

hmm not certain here, but dont old folks get similar looking tinges on their livers?

 

and yup seen that type a few times, and a few funny colours. (then again..have you seen the colours on fish n bacon etc, luvly blues greens and inbetweens lol). cook it!

[Phantom 631]

I notice in both the photos the people are wearing gloves, should I be?

 

No I normally don't wear gloves wnen cleaning, but at the time I had something wrong with the skin on my fingers that made them crack open and bleed from the tips all the way down to the joints, so as I was aware of BBB's and BBV's (Blood Born Virus's and Bacteria) and having open wounds on my fingers, I decided I was better safe than sorry. The pictures are what I have taken over the past few years.

 

Tony

[gurtwurz 792]

intersting thread, this.

 

thanks to all for putting up some very usefull info.

 

personally, i'll eat rabbits in the early mixy stages while they've still meat on em, but if theres owt else that looks dodgy then they become fox food(i use the housewife ID method-good enough for me nan and mum, good enough for me!!).

 

just out of interest, is there anything horrible in squirrels, cos over winter i eat a lot of the little fekkers, and i've never seen owt inside em thats made me discard any carcasses, but better safe than sorry...

 

cheers, wurz

[secretagentmole 1,701]

Okay, so if the "White Spots" were Liver Fluke, the meat is safe to eat, I still wouldn't want to eat it, because it would take a microscope to ID the fluke, but what if it wasn't the Liver Fluke and as I said earlier there are many causes of spotting on a liver of an animal.

 

Tony

 

Not to mention the fact that liver tastes ruddy awful anyway! :bad: