BORDER COLLIE VS BEARDIE COLLIE!!!!!

[SMART DOG 340]

for general Lamping both crosses are hard to beat, if you happen to get the right beardie collie, onto the greyhound bitch, they do make very good rabbiting dogs and they could take the odd Hare when in-law, marking setts, hedgerow work, and collecting pheasants, you wont go wrong, with either cross, make very good lurchers,the beardie can be that little bit more stubborn,, and THE COLD WET WEATHER, no problems to either of them, and I never had any problem with there feet,

I think your about spot on there border lad the beardie are more head strong so need to be a little firmer throught the first season but reap the rewards second season

[morton 5,368]

If using a Collie in the mix always use a dog from a genuine working background,it makes a big difference,especially with temperament.If the Beardie was the better type,why do the vast majority of farmers use Borders?,why is it that Beardies are very rarely in sheepdog trials?.If the Beardie really was a better type collie,why do the people who,s job is dependant on the dog at heel,on the whole, use Borders?.If the best working dog available is a Beardie or Border,id use that dog.

[SMART DOG 340]

If using a Collie in the mix always use a dog from a genuine working background,it makes a big difference,especially with temperament.If the Beardie was the better type,why do the vast majority of farmers use Borders?,why is it that Beardies are very rarely in sheepdog trials?.If the Beardie really was a better type collie,why do the people who,s job is dependant on the dog at heel,on the whole, use Borders?.If the best working dog available is a Beardie or Border,id use that dog.

the hard type beardies were too hard on the sheep which is why most preferred the border ....

[morton 5,368]

If using a Collie in the mix always use a dog from a genuine working background,it makes a big difference,especially with temperament.If the Beardie was the better type,why do the vast majority of farmers use Borders?,why is it that Beardies are very rarely in sheepdog trials?.If the Beardie really was a better type collie,why do the people who,s job is dependant on the dog at heel,on the whole, use Borders?.If the best working dog available is a Beardie or Border,id use that dog.

the hard type beardies were too hard on the sheep which is why most preferred the border ....

Collies have been bred for centuries to do a job of work,the best dogs of whatever type have been selectively bred and utilised.Any dogs showing bad working traits soon met a dire end.The main reason for the demise of the Beardie was down to the men and women working and breeding them,that reason was the Border being the better option.A collie hard on sheep usually finds a willing home with a farmer with cows,they prefer that type and again the vast majority are Borders.

[Country Joe 1,411]

there proper working beardies up here get agreyhound test her then wait your time only way to get real good ones

There used to be Herd not far from me, bred and worked Beardies, in South West Scotland,

I could be wrong, but i think Hancock had his strain.

hancock got his original stud dog remus from tom muirhead. tom muirhead started his line with a bitch from skye and a dog from beatock.tom muirhead farmed from 1956-1977 at birckleugh farm in crawford john lanarkshire. he moved in 1977 to anston farm in dunsyre lanarkshire till 1990. then moved to kirkconnel in dumfrieshire. he then retired to carnwath lanarkshire. he died in 1994.

 

Must be a different Herd the one that i heard of, worked them on a farm called Airdrie, at the bottom of criffel hill dumfrieshire. i saw him years ago with two Beardies.

[border lad 1,047]

to Morton, there is a lot of truth in what you are saying, one of the major problems with the beardie, is they seem to be late in mentaly maturing, and they are certainly a lot more drive in them, they are actually 2 year old rising 3 before they really settle down and work steady, once they start they are, keen as mustard to do there work,

were as Borders are far more steady and easier to controll, especially for sheep, but for lurchers, I have had some very good workers bred from the border, Hill Collie, bitch, with a top coursing greyhound on top,

[BLACKWATER... 157]

border lad some are but the ones ive saw in decent dog mens hands have been pretty good saw sevaral under18 months cachting all sorts and winnng sevral obeidence tasks,and clever in the feild,luke lanas father had beardie in them ,bob katie, lana did minni has ,there serous dogs ,what i like about he right working beardie as they take a row pick there self up and on to the next one , one the best lurchers ive saw was a border cross, saw him put away 24 rabbits and two hares on the shingle of aldeburgh near dirty wall suffolk a real collie lurcher i says to the owner some dog , a big powerful dog but nimble,got pics of him ,he took clappers foxes hares on lamp retreived to hand you could throw aball he had it before it dropped a real atheletic dog ,best colie cross ive saw , i said to the lad breed him ,he didnt have a good bitch but a grey would had done instead he went to hancock but not in the same class as that dog , he was called lucky born in 87 88 i saw him when i was working at sizwell 90 91so was out several times with him ,he never moved his self to pic a rabb everyhthing was well balanced none of the miss miss he eyed it up caut it like a tennis ball ,wou;ld had like to seen himon areas hoaching grass etc we just run arable scrub and shingle,a great dog, i wa sthat confident in that dog i phoned chalkie told him about the dog get avidoe of the man and the class animal , but there you go he never took the offer as he was doing his moucher thing with his cattle dogs , took me 10 years to get simliar with lana etc , the borders a good dog but the scottish beardie a hardy dog you dont need to much collie in them

[Country Joe 1,411]

I used to breed pedigree Sheep, so came in contact with lots of Herds and farmers, the ones that keep only Cattle, that like a dug,will use a Beardie or a big border thats a bit hard, these appear easier to pick up than a Beardie, also used to see a few Border X beardies.

Even years ago cant say the working Beardie was popular, in South West Scotland,you did come across the odd one.

The first Beardie i seen, i heard it before seeing it, it had dreadlocks, covered in hard coo shit, which bounced across the concrete when it walked, making a rattling sound, seemed happy and well fed.

The Fermer said it was good on Coos, but no so clever with Sheep.

[BLACKWATER... 157]

few nice big borders about here be good for running dog studs , and a few beardies to jo ,

[Country Joe 1,411]

same here, I know a lot of Fermers who keep big leggy Borders that work the hill, all you need is a Greyhound bitch and a bottle of Whiskey for a stud fee,

Beats going to Hancock, but then you have a Greyhound Bitch, who deserves a good life.

[Phil Lloyd 10,738]

i wa sthat confident in that dog i phoned chalkie told him about the dog get a vidoe of the man and the class animal , but there you go he never took the offer as he was doing his moucher thing with his cattle dogs , took me 10 years to get simliar with lana etc , the borders a good dog but the scottish beardie a hardy dog you dont need to much collie in them

 

 

Hmm, .. Can't say I remember your phone call Whin,..but then it would have been over 20 years ago.. and we did not have a lot of vonga between us, so I doubt that my cameraman would have fancied travelling, all the way from Hampshire to Suffolk,..to film a collie cross, catching a rabbit,... or a tennis ball... Besides,..it is always difficult filming away from home, and you can bet your life, that when you all agree to meet up and have a day or a night out,.it fecking rains, or the sea mist drifts in....

I can honestly say , I have never been lucky enough, to have a camera to hand when things are going,.just perfect..For us, filming was generally a complete fecking disaster...

 

However, the dog obviously impressed you,..and I must admit that for my woodland work, I do like an agile dog, as opposed to a super fast one..The herding breeds seem real good at anticipating events, and back then,.my own line of Cattle Dogs suited me just fine...

[FUJI 17,327]

all the way from Hampshire to Suffolk,..to film a collie cross, catching a rabbit,... or a tennis ball...

 

Got a pomeranian x that can do the above Chalkie if you want to come and film her? ..for what it's worth i've had several dogs with a high percentage of Border Collie in them..never let me down,real durable and would run where many would be frightened to let their dogs off a leash ..wouldn't look beyond them for "general" mooching,lamping and ferreting..cracking dogs to have around and loyal as they come..ATB Andy.

 

 

Edited June 11, 2012 by poacherspocket22

[Phil Lloyd 10,738]

@ Andy...

[Flipper_Al 1,012]

border lad some are but the ones ive saw in decent dog mens hands have been pretty good saw sevaral under18 months cachting all sorts and winnng sevral obeidence tasks,and clever in the feild,luke lanas father had beardie in them ,bob katie, lana did minni has ,there serous dogs ,what i like about he right working beardie as they take a row pick there self up and on to the next one , one the best lurchers ive saw was a border cross, saw him put away 24 rabbits and two hares on the shingle of aldeburgh near dirty wall suffolk a real collie lurcher i says to the owner some dog , a big powerful dog but nimble,got pics of him ,he took clappers foxes hares on lamp retreived to hand you could throw aball he had it before it dropped a real atheletic dog ,best colie cross ive saw , i said to the lad breed him ,he didnt have a good bitch but a grey would had done instead he went to hancock but not in the same class as that dog , he was called lucky born in 87 88 i saw him when i was working at sizwell 90 91so was out several times with him ,he never moved his self to pic a rabb everyhthing was well balanced none of the miss miss he eyed it up caut it like a tennis ball ,wou;ld had like to seen himon areas hoaching grass etc we just run arable scrub and shingle,a great dog, i wa sthat confident in that dog i phoned chalkie told him about the dog get a vidoe of the man and the class animal , but there you go he never took the offer as he was doing his moucher thing with his cattle dogs , took me 10 years to get simliar with lana etc , the borders a good dog but the scottish beardie a hardy dog you dont need to much collie in them

 

 

Can't say I remember your phone call Whin,..but then it would have been over 20 years ago.. and we did not have a lot of vonga between us, so I doubt that my cameraman would have fancied travelling, all the way from Hampshire to Suffolk,..to film a collie cross, catching a rabbit,... or a tennis ball... Besides,..it is always difficult filming away from home, and you can bet your life, that when you all agree to meet up and have a day or a night out,.it fecking rains, or the sea mist drifts in....

I can honestly say , I have never been lucky enough, to have a camera to hand when things are going,.just perfect..For us, filming was generally a fecking disaster...

 

However, the dog obviously impressed you,..and I must admit that for my woodland work, I do like an agile dog, as opposed to a super fast one..The herding breeds seem real good at anticipating events, and back then,.my own line of Cattle Dogs suited me just fine...

 

 

Looks like the dog did a proper job on that geezer..... did he recover.....?

Edited June 11, 2012 by Flipper_Al

[canaliculata 28]

I personally like a dash of beardie as well as border in the mix. Where i hunt there isnt a great deal of game and i have found that some border collie lurchers can become board and find something else to do, where as a touch of beardie seems to do wonders and sort of give them the drive to look for a scent. In saying that it may be something that is particular to certain lines of collies, because some pure working collies still hunt hard for a scent when there isnt much about, when others would sooner pic up a stick and play with it. Some border collies certainly have more drive to find scent than others and like i say this is so noticeable in the area i work. If you find the right border collie type it has just about everything i need.