Loaded gun left in unlocked van.

[richy.w 2]

should have went and robbed a bank then put it back in the van :yes:

[mark@mbb 31]

I think the chap leaving the firearm loaded in a vehicle on veiw made a mistake but the dog walker deserves a slap just for being a nosey bar steward and entering the vehicle and he also should be charged this could cause a lot of problems for all kinds off shooters

[secretagentmole 1,701]

tbf the walker said he sounded the vans horn ,and youre man didnt return to the van at that

i think he did the right thing short of locking the van which he couldnt do

if kids or lowlifes came across the van there could have been far worse outcomes

and as said why the feck do you go looking for game without your rifle

something else was going one here imho

 

How many vehicles let you sound the horn without the keys being in the ignition?

[tilimangro 1,013]

older ones do i believe

but i really couldnt say i iknow feck all about cars

and it doesnt matter even if youre man had locked the car ,if the wrong sort saw it theyd smash the window and be off with a loaded firearm

youre man would have still been in the wrong

in the boot no problems

edited to add if hes dumb enough to leave a loaded firearm in an unlocked vehicle hes probably smart enough to leave the keys in the ignition

Edited June 3, 2012 by tilimangro

[tegater 789]

tbf the walker said he sounded the vans horn ,and youre man didnt return to the van at that

i think he did the right thing short of locking the van which he couldnt do

if kids or lowlifes came across the van there could have been far worse outcomes

and as said why the feck do you go looking for game without your rifle

something else was going one here imho

 

How many vehicles let you sound the horn without the keys being in the ignition?

Judging by the amount of kids you see in supermarket car parks, messing about with the horn, while mum and dad are shopping, quite a few I would say!

[mick20 23]

the dog walker commited an offence end of, he should have either rang the police and or waited for the owner to turn up. there was an ex soldier charged for possesion of a shotgun after finding it and handing it in to a police station not so long back.

 

Totally agree the dog walker should not have removed the gun under any circumstance. I thought this was classed as an automatic offense under 'strict liability' to which there is no defense and carries a five year minimum jail sentence or has the law changed recently.

ATB Mick

[Malt 379]

Who's to say the tresspasser wasn't an anti/do gooder following the guy round and took his opportunity when the bloke got out to open a gate or something? Seems awfully strange that a hunter got out of his vehcle to hunt another part of the farm and left his gun behind. The 'dog walker' shouldn't even of been on that land going by that story, it was private property. He had no right to be there and no right to take anything he found there.

[whippet 99 2,613]

We all know it's wrong to leave a loaded gun anywhere.

 

Question, was the dog walker right or wrong to take it?

 

 

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what a shame , he could easily of sold the gun on here and made his self a few quid

[Caprelous 217]

Very simple answer to this one.

 

Having a loaded weapon in a vehicle is a breach of safekeeping in a public place or not, any weapon should be cleared of any means to discharge checked re checked and checked again before being put away either in a gunslip ot secure case.

 

the ammunition for such should also be put away in a secure container, Both preferably made secure to the vehicle to prevent unauthorised removal.

If the vehicle had been stolen the F.c owner had in the laws view taken all necessary steps as he possibly could as long as the vehicle was left in a locked condition.

 

The chap who took away the firearm also commited an offence both of theft and being in possesion of an unauthorised firearm..

 

In the circumstances described he should have rung the police give them position of the vehicle and awaited their arrival no more.

The Police would then take his statement which w ould be used as evidence against the firearms holder.

It would then be up to the court as to what judgement would be made .

 

The law is quite clear on one thing only a serving police officer may sieze a firearm irrespective of it being legally held or not and excempt from prosecution. If a serving police officer demands firearms to be handed over you have no excuse in law for so doing, So any seizure should be carried out by them.

Cheers

Stu

Edited June 4, 2012 by Caprelous

[Caib 49]

So what if the chap who took the gun didnt have a phone and wasnt able to stand around all day waiting for the gun owner to return, as has been said earlier some kids could have happened upon that unattended gun then God only knows what would have happened

[paulus 26]

So what if the chap who took the gun didnt have a phone and wasnt able to stand around all day waiting for the gun owner to return, as has been said earlier some kids could have happened upon that unattended gun then God only knows what would have happened

there is no what if, as far as gun law is concerned they both broke it and should be prepared for the consiquences

[Qbgrey 4,062]

Charge him with what, reporting finding a gun

Remember, your car is classed as a public place, Except the locked boot, which is where this gun should have been.

charge him theft,trespassing,and in possesion of a firearm without a licence. the problem thers to many do gooders trying to make hunters etc look bad. if the guy was that worried he should of waited for the guy and had a chat,considering he was trespassing he shoulnd even of been near the van.

[firsttimer 1]

Reading the article, the vehicle was not parked in a public place and was on private property therefore is it actually a breach of the FAC conditions/Firearms Act? Whilst the FAC holder was in the wrong and has not clear defense leaving the rifle in an unlocked vehicle, loaded and in clear view, given the rural nature of Peterhead and on a farm, it was probably not in his mind that some do-gooder would happen along and the comments about kids is just scaremongering.

 

There are no trespassing laws in Scotland so the dog walker has right to roam as long as their dog is on a lead and they do not cause damage. The dog walker IMHO should also be prosecuted for removing the rifle (theft) and committing an offense under the Firearms Act of being in possession of a rifle and ammunition without a Certificate and also one assumes taking it on to a public place by removing to the Cop shop.