"Earth!" 503 Posted May 31, 2012 Report Share Posted May 31, 2012 off for a night session with some keeper friends new the new forest soon, will be fishing from the beach and have never targeted this fish so... Any tips lads? i not got sea/beach tackle so using my pike rods with 8lb line which im sure, if i play them correct, is ample enough? all hint/tips on bait please AND, what they like to eat? Quote Link to post
oscarsdad 4 Posted May 31, 2012 Report Share Posted May 31, 2012 8lb is nowhere near enough for hounds-they are more than capable of ripping your rod from the rest and taking it for a swim. I would suggest you need 15lb as an absolute minimum and don't forget a shock leader as well. Snoods need to be 25lb minimum and crab is usually the killer bait. I am not sure of the mark but on the lincs coast where I have targeted them you need big casts 150yds plus to reach them, so your carp gear is gonna struggle with 150g of lead and a big bait. Hopefully you don't need the distance where you are going. Just don't leave your rod unattended! Hounds do not make for good eating, in my personal opinion it is a shame to kill them. They out up a hell of a fight when hooked, even the small ones. 1 Quote Link to post
Malt 379 Posted May 31, 2012 Report Share Posted May 31, 2012 8lb sounds a bit light to me mate. Don't forget you'll be needing a heavier weight for the sea and I wouldn't like to cast out a bait on line that light. If you haven't got an alternative, I'd seriously consider putting a heavier shock leader on the end of it. Double the length of the rod and a few turns round the reel. This will give your main line a bit of protection while casting at least. Quote Link to post
"Earth!" 503 Posted May 31, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2012 8lb is nowhere near enough for hounds-they are more than capable of ripping your rod from the rest and taking it for a swim. I would suggest you need 15lb as an absolute minimum and don't forget a shock leader as well. Snoods need to be 25lb minimum and crab is usually the killer bait. I am not sure of the mark but on the lincs coast where I have targeted them you need big casts 150yds plus to reach them, so your carp gear is gonna struggle with 150g of lead and a big bait. Hopefully you don't need the distance where you are going. Just don't leave your rod unattended! Hounds do not make for good eating, in my personal opinion it is a shame to kill them. They out up a hell of a fight when hooked, even the small ones. more of a fight than big carp? my reels are bait runners pal. surely if played ok i will be ok? Quote Link to post
"Earth!" 503 Posted May 31, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2012 8lb sounds a bit light to me mate. Don't forget you'll be needing a heavier weight for the sea and I wouldn't like to cast out a bait on line that light. If you haven't got an alternative, I'd seriously consider putting a heavier shock leader on the end of it. Double the length of the rod and a few turns round the reel. This will give your main line a bit of protection while casting at least. ive got a 25lb hooked trace ready made up a designed for smooth hounds i should add. Quote Link to post
donkdaniel 236 Posted May 31, 2012 Report Share Posted May 31, 2012 It's alot to do with the fact you will be fishing a rocky or pebble mark earth it'll rub through 8 lb line in no time and even the skin is pretty abrasive and as said you might have to get some distance but crab is killer usually for them anyway good lock atb chris Quote Link to post
oscarsdad 4 Posted May 31, 2012 Report Share Posted May 31, 2012 8lb is nowhere near enough for hounds-they are more than capable of ripping your rod from the rest and taking it for a swim. I would suggest you need 15lb as an absolute minimum and don't forget a shock leader as well. Snoods need to be 25lb minimum and crab is usually the killer bait. I am not sure of the mark but on the lincs coast where I have targeted them you need big casts 150yds plus to reach them, so your carp gear is gonna struggle with 150g of lead and a big bait. Hopefully you don't need the distance where you are going. Just don't leave your rod unattended! Hounds do not make for good eating, in my personal opinion it is a shame to kill them. They out up a hell of a fight when hooked, even the small ones. more of a fight than big carp? my reels are bait runners pal. surely if played ok i will be ok? I wouldn't say more of a fight than a big carp, different scrap and more powerful runs. I would say a 5lb hound will scrap like a 20lb carp - but then I don't fish for carp and have only had 2 over 20lb. If you can I would seriously suggest emptying a spool and filling the bait runner with 15-18lb mono and then a shock leader of at least 60lbs on the end of that. It would be a real shame to get a good run out of one and as soon as you tighten up 8lb line goes. The problem also is that beach fishing with a fixed spool you will have to have the drag tightened right up because otherwise when you can a heavy lead and bait, the spool will slip - so try to remember after you can cast and put the rod in the rest to slacken it off again. Bait runner mode will probably not be of use if the tide moves much as it will take line and you will end up with too much slack. Good luck! Quote Link to post
Malt 379 Posted May 31, 2012 Report Share Posted May 31, 2012 8lb sounds a bit light to me mate. Don't forget you'll be needing a heavier weight for the sea and I wouldn't like to cast out a bait on line that light. If you haven't got an alternative, I'd seriously consider putting a heavier shock leader on the end of it. Double the length of the rod and a few turns round the reel. This will give your main line a bit of protection while casting at least. ive got a 25lb hooked trace ready made up a designed for smooth hounds i should add. The shock leader goes between that and your main line. Quote Link to post
Richie10 345 Posted May 31, 2012 Report Share Posted May 31, 2012 Get yourself some hermit crabs, best bait for hounds, not much else but they seem to prefer them to peelers. 2 Quote Link to post
Malt 379 Posted May 31, 2012 Report Share Posted May 31, 2012 Get yourself some hermit crabs, best bait for hounds, not much else but they seem to prefer them to peelers. Never caught any smoothies myself, but i know doggies love 'em! I had a sackful of them my mate gave me off a whelk boat and I took a bucket full which I had left out for a few days. They were stinking but I've never had a better doggie bashing session than I had that night. Wife was quite annoyed about the smell in her car afterwards though! Quote Link to post
billybaltic 308 Posted May 31, 2012 Report Share Posted May 31, 2012 I have heard of a few people taking there carp or pike gear down the beach and catching a few, they can't cast 5-6oz lead's, but can get a 3-4oz lead a long way and i think with the tide moving it around, it cover's more ground, and they do alright, it would be better with the proper tackle but if you only go every blue moon, why spend money. Quote Link to post
"Earth!" 503 Posted June 1, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2012 I have heard of a few people taking there carp or pike gear down the beach and catching a few, they can't cast 5-6oz lead's, but can get a 3-4oz lead a long way and i think with the tide moving it around, it cover's more ground, and they do alright, it would be better with the proper tackle but if you only go every blue moon, why spend money. used to boat fish a few times a month but not been for roughly 10 years so looking forward to this session. my friend told me smoothys run like a goodun but ive landed numerous carp over 20lb with ease in river,canal and still waters on 8lb line and never seen the need for stronger line as ive always thought its the rod test curve and the mannerism as to how they are played. IF i hook a good hound and it decides to run out to sea, looks like il be following it and i hate the thought of leaving any tackle connected to fish. Should they be too much, i will change from the crab bait(peeler crab) and use worm.. Doesnt bother me, its being out there, the sea air, roll up in my mouth and a few cans of the strong stuff! 2 Quote Link to post
Guest bullterrier Posted June 1, 2012 Report Share Posted June 1, 2012 I have heard of a few people taking there carp or pike gear down the beach and catching a few, they can't cast 5-6oz lead's, but can get a 3-4oz lead a long way and i think with the tide moving it around, it cover's more ground, and they do alright, it would be better with the proper tackle but if you only go every blue moon, why spend money. that set ups fine for an estuary or light beach work when casting into the breakers fish over rough ground you;ll be forever losing your rigs mate john Quote Link to post
"Earth!" 503 Posted June 1, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2012 just bought some 25lb line for this session, surely thats strong enough? Quote Link to post
oscarsdad 4 Posted June 1, 2012 Report Share Posted June 1, 2012 25lb mainline and then shock leader on that will be perfect. 1 Quote Link to post
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