benefit fraud

[poacher3161 1,766]

Aye poacher, it's a pity everyone was doing it, both would have survived longer lol

think that was the torys baw that knackered the pits and steelwork or the goverment before the tory lovers jump doon my throat atb

The torys.

last time i can remember it being this bad it was the 80s when the last time the torys were in no wonder there frauding the benifets needs must atb

I think its a lot worse than the 80s you could always get cash in hand jobs around here if you knew the right people now with all the strickter health and safety rules its impossible getting on big jobs wile still dabbing on.I would sooner take the risk working for cash in hand than working for a ponceing employment agency who treats you like shit and is getting paid for feck all through your graft.

[nothernlite 18,089]

Aye poacher, it's a pity everyone was doing it, both would have survived longer lol

think that was the torys baw that knackered the pits and steelwork or the goverment before the tory lovers jump doon my throat atb

The torys.

last time i can remember it being this bad it was the 80s when the last time the torys were in no wonder there frauding the benifets needs must atb

I think its a lot worse than the 80s you could always get cash in hand jobs around here if you knew the right people now with all the strickter health and safety rules its impossible getting on big jobs wile still dabbing on.I would sooner take the risk working for cash in hand than working for a ponceing employment agency who treats you like shit and is getting paid for feck all through your graft.

Think your right poacher in the 80s we went to london for work think london is worse than scotland for money now and thats to do with these eastern b-----ds working for nothing atb Edited May 31, 2012 by nothernlite

[nothernlite 18,089]

But Phillip Greens ok with avoiding £289 million in takeover tax, followed by another god knows how many million.

As well as the banks who are virtually all registered offshore

Yet if I earn £50 for a days work once every couple of months and don't declare it, im a cnut....

 

There is no scale as far as I`m concerned, The major rich tax avoiders are just as bad, but not being rich doesn`t make it acceptable to hide money rather than pay tax. It all comes out of somebody elses pocket in the long run.

 

Yes it does rake, but who's pocket would that be then? Yours and mine.... Not the wealthy who's money is spread across the globe in a wilful attempt to avoid paying their way.

So, the working class turn on each other because it's us who pick up the tab.

In the last fiscal year I earned an extra £60. If you think I'm declaring that so the taxman can strip 33% off my hard graft he's got another thing coming. I know some rip the piss, but I'm not. I paid emergency tax for nearly 8 years and watched them spunk it into 'projects' and bollocks surveys, wars and the rest.

£60 is neither here nor there, but self employed folk turning over 60k a year and laughing about how their accountant got their tax bill down to £250 boils ma piss.

 

No one is stopping you doing the same are they ??

 

yes they are.

 

I am PAYE. I pay my full tax to make sure all the tax dodging benefit cheats and self employed thiefs don`t have to. My opinion stands. What if everyone just stopped paying tax. No wait that wouldn`t work, !

 

Anyway ,, after earning yer 60 odd thou, and not paying any tax due to a crooked accountant. take comfort in the fact that it`s honest people who put your children through school. Not you.

Rake could you get me the name of that accountant for somebody self employed and earn more than 60.000 and not pay tax is impossible and what is it with sending there kids to school to call self employed people thieves is shocking most self employed people like myself hard and long hours and work for big companys and get 20% of there wages then taken from them to pay tax . Once they reach 60,000 or what it is they pay 40%for what thy earn above that and i dont think you 40% on anything under 60.000 just above it my opinion is anybody that can beat the taxman good on them best of luck wish i could do it good luck Edited May 31, 2012 by nothernlite

[Rake aboot 4,936]

This is not aimed at self employed folk who pay taxes, It`s aimed at the ones who don`t, and there are plenty of them.

And as there kids schools are taxpayer funded, it`s us that pay for it while they shirk out of it by avoiding taxes.

 

This is not personal. If you pay taxes fair play to you. My gripe is with the ones who don`t. They are Thiefs, stealing from the rest of us.

[WILF 47,360]

 

yes they are.

 

I am PAYE. I pay my full tax to make sure all the tax dodging benefit cheats and self employed thiefs don`t have to. My opinion stands. What if everyone just stopped paying tax. No wait that wouldn`t work, !

 

Anyway ,, after earning yer 60 odd thou, and not paying any tax due to a crooked accountant. take comfort in the fact that it`s honest people who put your children through school. Not you.

 

There's no law against going self employed and not having your pants pulled down by the tax man is there.......no offence, but change it or stop greeting.

 

Your in the tax system, not knights in shining armour saving the rest of the community......I get f**k all from the state, your dollar pays for all the daft schemes and gay, black drop in centres.

 

The self employed bloke pays his way as much as anyone else, he don't have working rights or sick pay or holiday pay so why not LEGALLY only pay the minimum tax you have to.

Everyone has this picture of so called " bent" accountants, it's bollocks, they couldn't make enough money off the average working man to make it worth them taking the risk.......I tell you what, if I could fing an accountant who could LEGALLY make my tax bill £250 on 60 k earnings I would pay him what ever he wanted and not feel in the least bit bad about it !!?.......so would plenty of others I reckon

[Rake aboot 4,936]

My dollars pay for everthing the gov`t spends on bud, including schools hospitals the military road sweeping, you name it

If no one pays tax we get nothing, it`s called "Social responsibility"

 

Look it up.

 

And as I have said before, This is aimed at folk who avoid tax, whatever their standing. Cheat the tax system and you are a thief, stealing from the rest of us.

 

Boots the chemist have just moved their holding company to Switzerland and now pay 3% tax on profit. Tell me thats right. Same as builders who do nowt but cash in hand jobs but send there kids to state schools.

[PlasticJock 539]

Rake, if I earned, for example, £80k a year, but paid £250 tax on it because I'd been taking the piss, would it be acceptable for me to do that if I paid for private schooling, private healthcare etc? So if I arranged and paid for my 'Infrastructure' instead of supporting someone else's idea of a society, what would you think?

It's a genuine question by the way it's one I ask myself all the time, that is if I didn't participate in 'society' or take anything from the pot, I'd bet a months wages I'd be held at gunpoint and forced to pay anyway.

[Malt 379]

Rake, if I earned, for example, £80k a year, but paid £250 tax on it because I'd been taking the piss, would it be acceptable for me to do that if I paid for private schooling, private healthcare etc? So if I arranged and paid for my 'Infrastructure' instead of supporting someone else's idea of a society, what would you think?

It's a genuine question by the way it's one I ask myself all the time, that is if I didn't participate in 'society' or take anything from the pot, I'd bet a months wages I'd be held at gunpoint and forced to pay anyway.

You'd still be paying a significant amount into the system. Every time you taxed your car and filled it up with petrol, drank a beer, bought a packet of fags, bought anything with VAT on it, and any number of taxable things we buy/pay for and don't usually associate with giving the government money for..

[Rake aboot 4,936]

Apart from that you cannot provide all the things that your tax pays for,

Schools and healthcare yes, but thats just a very small part of it. Would you chip in for your own army. Or pay for your own roads.

It`s also our responsability to look after our elderly. etc etc..

 

It`s a minefield

[nothernlite 18,089]

no matter what you do your still paying the tax man they are robbing us blind at least your not paying vat on a hot pie what a joke ive got a static caravan pay 2300 a year and £460 gos on vat why should pay the goverment for my holidays its made me feel like getting rid atb

[PlasticJock 539]

Rake, if I earned, for example, £80k a year, but paid £250 tax on it because I'd been taking the piss, would it be acceptable for me to do that if I paid for private schooling, private healthcare etc? So if I arranged and paid for my 'Infrastructure' instead of supporting someone else's idea of a society, what would you think?

It's a genuine question by the way it's one I ask myself all the time, that is if I didn't participate in 'society' or take anything from the pot, I'd bet a months wages I'd be held at gunpoint and forced to pay anyway.

You'd still be paying a significant amount into the system. Every time you taxed your car and filled it up with petrol, drank a beer, bought a packet of fags, bought anything with VAT on it, and any number of taxable things we buy/pay for and don't usually associate with giving the government money for..

 

I understand that malt, but I don't think the government associate those things with us when working out how much a citizen is worth to them... What I meant was if I paid next to no income tax, the taxman will 'demand' this and that and probably issue a summons illegally, as always, and conduct a hearing in a room at a magistrates court that they've rented out (Perfectly ok in their books, and of course our tax pays for it), to force an explanation as to why you haven't been supporting the elites lavish lifestyle. Of course, the prosecution will consist of other people who are in the same boat as ourselves, but because they've spent 30 odd years getting to the level they are at will fight to protect the system and dismiss anything based on the law or common sense. Essentially coming down to ''Well you just have to because everyone else does''.

Seems like there's no choice in the matter, I believe it's called forced slavery

[PlasticJock 539]

Apart from that you cannot provide all the things that your tax pays for,

Schools and healthcare yes, but thats just a very small part of it. Would you chip in for your own army. Or pay for your own roads.

It`s also our responsability to look after our elderly. etc etc..

 

It`s a minefield

 

Laid by the wealthy. I wouldn't chip in for my own army, but then again I wouldn't start wars in various countries. I pay for the roads because I buy fuel - road tax doesn't pay for them as evidenced by the shit state most roads are in. NHS, care homes, you name it they're all in rag anyway so I'd rather look after my own family and community tbh.

[baw 4,360]

Rakeabout, im selfemployed, I paid just under 9 1/2 grand in tax last year and will be the same this year. No one is paying the figures you quoted. Your employer is self employed and has to find the work to pay your tax. Yes it might come out of your earnings but he still pays it. If you pay £100 a week in tax and there are 10 employees like you in your work, that's a grand a week your employer needs to find to pay. Yes the big companies get there tax bill down by opening umpteen stores etc every year but these stores need to employ people who pay tax. So instead of the taxman getting his 5 grand in tax say from the big company, he gets it from all the individual employers but it's still coming from the companies money but folk get jobs from it. You need to look at the bigger picture instead of just pointing the finger at a figure on a tax return.

[Rake aboot 4,936]

Baw. This is not aimed at all self employed. I`ve already said this.

 

Fact is I know more than one self employed folk who pay fuckall in tax. they collect all payments in cash, swan around in Audis wearing Prada and complain when their mum can`t get an operation on the NHS 5 minutes after asking for it. They make me puke.

So yes people ARE paying the figures I`m quoting.

 

And another thing. Boots pay 3% on THEIR profit. What the employees pay is irrelivant, once they get paid it is no longer the companies money so they do NOT indirectly pay tax through their employees.. The company makes profit and is due tax on that profit but the avoid it by using a holding company based abroad.

 

I look at the big picture bud. I KNOW self employed people pay tax, but it`s only self employed folk who are the tax avoiders also.

[baw 4,360]

I know self employed accountants try their best for their clients. My own accountant cuts corners but no accountant cuts them to the figures you qoute. The guys your talking about must be doing their own books and are in work that allows cash in hand. Not much different than being on the dole and working on the side. Probably get working tax credit too so I see where your coming from there. As for boots, yes they avoid tax on their profits and it's not right. But it's not illegal and they do provide employment and provide the taxman vast amounts of money through their employees. The government must way up wether it's worth chasing the tax they should be paying compared to the tax they get through their employees and the jobs they provide. It's a global market and they could easily up sticks and move to Bangladesh then we would all be f****d.