Campaign to keep Scotland in the union starts today

[gonetoearth 5,144]

hope to see independance in my life time

 

am no expert,i dont wanna go on,piss people off but people keep saying scotland couldnt surive etc,its a load of shite.heres a good read..at the end of the day we all have our own opinions.we all will get a chance to have our say and vote..no claymore swords,blue facepaint etc

 

As a civil servant in London, and being part of the establishment, I always accepted the general view that an independent Scotland would not be able to survive on its own without financial help from the London Exchequer.

 

However, when in 1968 I was able to examine the so-called "books" for the first time, I was shocked to find that the position was exactly the opposite and that Scotland contributed much more to the UK economy than its other partners. This was, of course, before the oil boom.

I realised that the Treasury would wish to keep this a secret, as it might feed nationalistic tendencies north of the border, which at that time were very weak. I took the decision to keep an eye on the situation to see how long it would take for the true facts to emerge, which I felt would only be a short time. However, the Treasury and the Establishment did an excellent job, aided and abetted by the media, to keep the myth about Scotland alive.

 

In fact it took another 30 years before the first chink in their armour started to appear. This came unexpectedly on 13 January 1997 when, in reply to a series of questions put by SNP Leader in the Commons, Alex Salmond MP to the then Tory government, Treasury Minister William Waldegrave admitted that Scotland had paid a massive £27 billion more to the London Exchequer than it had received since the Tories came to power in 1979. Statistically this works out at £5,400 for every Scot.

 

There were no attempts to refute these figures, which caused much embarrassment to the Tory Government of the day. However, the facts were quickly covered up by the Unionist controlled media.

 

Then a year later with a Labour government now in power came a further bombshell. Following further promptings by the SNP, on 21 August 1998, Mr Salmond received a letter from the House of Commons Library (ref. 98/8/56 EP/rjt) which gave a table showing that based on Scotland's GDP per capita, Scotland would occupy 7th place in the world's wealth league. The UK was at 17th Place.

 

When the Labour government came to power it announced a 1p cut in the standard rate of income tax. From my detailed knowledge of income tax, I felt that this was the worst possible thing that they could do, as extra monies would be needed following on from the Thatcher era, if they were to fulfil even a fraction of their promises to the electorate. I came to the conclusion, and I still feel that I was right, that this was done by Labour to prove to the voters of Middle England that they could match the Tories in tax cuts.

 

Despite the disclosures of 1998, attempts to deceive the Scottish electorate did not end there. In March 1999 a Labour Party leaflet appeared which said that if the SNP were to forego Gordon Brown's 1p cut in the standard rate of income tax, every family in Scotland would be £250 worse off. This became the major topic of a TV debate between Alex Salmond and Donald Dewar. Salmond tried to point out to Dewar that he was using the wrong figures. Watching the debate, I saw Dewar's eyes roll in his head for a few moments but he carried on regardless.

 

After the debate it took the Labour Party a whole week to admit that they were wrong. There was in fact a whole chain of errors which the Labour Party tried to blame on "printing mistakes". However Labour could not deny the fact that in their calculations the UK average figure, which included the high wage earners in the city of London and the booming economy in the South East corner of England (which if I may say so were the result of the selfish policies of Mrs Margaret Thatcher), the figure used was almost double those of the average Scottish wage which at that time stood at £17,000 per year.

 

Looking closely at the figures and taking the year 2006 as a benchmark, I found that Scotland had an annual relative surplus of £2,8 billion, which works out at £560 for every man, woman and child. In contrast the UK had a deficit of £34.8 billion.

 

In November 2006, the U.N. published its annual "Human Development Index". For the sixth year running, oil rich Norway topped the list, and won on such factors as generous welfare payments, education, high income and a long life expectancy. Norway wisely created an "oil fund" in 1995 which in 5 years reached a total of £250 billion, so that Norway sailed through the Credit Crunch.

 

Who are the real subsidy junkies?

 

Any lingering doubt that Scotland more than pays its way, or survives on subsidies, was dispelled by a new report published in October 2007. Whilst the Daily Mail, which by no stretch of the imagination could be described as a supporter of Scottish nationalism, devoted a whole page to the analysis of the report which was based on tax paid per capita as against spending, Northern Ireland received £4,212 more than it paid in tax, North East England £3,133, Wales £2,990, N.W. England £1732, South West England £978, West Midlands £931, East Midlands £185 and lastly Scotland £38. Only the South East corner produced a small surplus due to tax paid on the high wages within the city of London at this time (pre-Credit Crunch).

 

Analysis

 

It is no longer refuted that Scotland exports more per capita than the rest of the UK. In 1968 when I first discovered that Scotland was in surplus in relation to the rest of the UK, its exports could be broken down into whisky, meat, timber, fish, and of course tourism which is a huge hidden income. Those exports are supported by a population of only 5,000,000 as against 45,000,000 for the rest of the UK, quite a substantial advantage.

With the oil boom, Scotland's economy was transformed. Scottish oil has to date funded the Treasury with £300 billion, which has pushed Scotland up from 7th place in World Wealth rankings, had it been in control of its own resources, to 3rd place.

 

On 29 May 2008, Labour Chancellor Alistair Darling admitted in a back-handed way, that Scotland's oil revenue had been underwriting the UK's failure to balance its books for decades. There is still 30 years of oil supply left in the North Sea (some 150 million barrels) valued at 2008 prices at 1 trillion dollars. This excludes the new fields being brought into production in deeper waters west of Shetland.

 

Meantime whisky exports, which I listed in 1968 as one of Scotland's top assets, have risen at a phenomenal rate. For example, whisky exports to China amounted to £1 million in 2000/2001, by 2007 they had risen to £70 million. They have continued to rise, although I don't have more recent statistics.

 

On the economies of Independence, Scotland has also 18 times its requirements in North Sea gas, which on current trading is more expensive than oil. The country exports 24% of its surplus electricity south of the Border, with much of the back-up by Hydro Electric unused.

Even if nuclear is excluded, the future looks bright, the new Glen Doe hydro station on Loch Ness which was opened by Scotland's First Minister last year can produce enough electricity for 240,000 homes. Further projects down the Loch which have now reached the planning stage will increase this to over 1,000,000 homes. Wind and wave energy will also contribute significantly in the future.

 

No doubt as the time draws nearer to the referendum on Scottish Independence, politicians will do their best to distort the figures, but the truth is something that never varies.

you should keep them quiet with that for a bit good read

NEVER LET THE TRUTH GET IN THE WAY OF A GOOD STORY

[PlasticJock 539]

Joe, what difference would that make if we were forced into the EU, with fat spice being a yes man to Brussels? He DOESN'T WANT INDEPENDENCE, he wants to throw a country to the proverbial wolves.

Could we be independent? I believe we could, but NOT as part of the EU which who's rate of demise has already reached terminal velocity.

[gonetoearth 5,144]

Let's say just for arguments sake Scotland get independence The union breaks up the British army dissolved. The un takes away are place on the security council , the English pound is launched the city of London is still the money capital of the world Scotland launches there new currency the ECK guess who face of the front eck on the 10000 eck note , billy connerllyon the 1000 eck note and grand ma bruin on the 500 hundred eck note various other legendary sweatys on the rest in clueding

RAB C JIMMY CRANKY The new border is set up , ENGLAND emposé a surcharge for every Hgv that crosses the border and every train , food and all other commodities prices shoot thru the roof in Scotland , the outer Hebrides demand a vote on independence saying its their oil and gas , eck finishes the conversion of his new palace at balmoral calling it salmonella and make him self life president promotes Sean Connery to head of armed forces gorden brown (he is yours and your having him like it or not) channcer of the ex checker Bill Connelly as minister of fun , a new haggis tax is launched and fox gun Tom is made border control chief I

Edited May 26, 2012 by gonetoearth

[Lab 10,979]

Let's say just for arguments sake Scotland get independence The union breaks up the British army dissolved. The un takes away are place on the security council , the English pound is launched the city of London is still the money capital of the world Scotland launches there new currency the ECK guess who face of the front eck on the 10000 eck note , billy connerllyon the 1000 eck note and grand ma bruin on the 500 hundred eck note various other legendary sweatys on the rest in clueding

RAB C JIMMY CRANKY The new border is set up , ENGLAND emposé a surcharge for every Hgv that crosses the border and every train , food and all other commodities prices shoot thru the roof in Scotland , the outer Hebrides demand a vote on independence saying its their oil and gas , eck finishes the conversion of his new palace at balmoral calling it salmonella and make him self life president promotes Sean Connery to head of armed forces gorden brown (he is yours and your having him like it or not) channcer of the ex checker Bill Connelly as minister of fun , a new haggis tax is launched and fox gun Tom is made border control chief I

Sounds great............ Meanwhile your Mr Cameron will panic about where he will get his millions from now and have to open the floodgates further to every country in the world....

[Night Hunter 109]

Just my opinion but there is more imigrants in scotland now than there ever was,The euro is fu*ked,Salmond is a wee fat lying cu*t,Nicola Sturgeon is his ho who by the way has just set the minimum price of alcohol and has fu*ked the NHS good and proper,Scotland is always first to ban this and that,could you just imagine for a second what fu*kin state we would be in with these two cu*ts making all the decisions north of the border ,we might as well fu*k off elsewhere and live like imigrants.....

Edited May 26, 2012 by Night Hunter

[gonetoearth 5,144]

Let's say just for arguments sake Scotland get independence The union breaks up the British army dissolved. The un takes away are place on the security council , the English pound is launched the city of London is still the money capital of the world Scotland launches there new currency the ECK guess who face of the front eck on the 10000 eck note , billy connerllyon the 1000 eck note and grand ma bruin on the 500 hundred eck note various other legendary sweatys on the rest in clueding

RAB C JIMMY CRANKY The new border is set up , ENGLAND emposé a surcharge for every Hgv that crosses the border and every train , food and all other commodities prices shoot thru the roof in Scotland , the outer Hebrides demand a vote on independence saying its their oil and gas , eck finishes the conversion of his new palace at balmoral calling it salmonella and make him self life president promotes Sean Connery to head of armed forces gorden brown (he is yours and your having him like it or not) channcer of the ex checker Bill Connelly as minister of fun , a new haggis tax is launched and fox gun Tom is made border control chief I

Sounds great............ Meanwhile your Mr Cameron will panic about where he will get his millions from now and have to open the floodgates further to every country in the world....

oh and I forgot FIFE gets wold heritage status for the lovely sea front and new aldi super store ,

[gonetoearth 5,144]

Just my opinion but there is more imigrants in scotland now than there ever was,The euro is fu*ked,Salmond is a wee fat lying cu*t,Nicola Sturgeon is his ho who by the way has just set the minimum price of alcohol and has fu*ked the NHS good and proper,Scotland is always first to ban this and that,could you just imagine for a second what fu*kin state we would be in with these two cu*ts making all the decisions north of the border ,we might as well fu*k off elsewhere and live like imigrants.....

Is she the horrible little twat always on qestion time

[scothunter 12,609]

That's her another deluded c**t.

Salmon has clearly upset the whiskey industry with his new bill. Just wait to see the underhanded tricks they do leading up to the vote.he has got a right few quid squirrelled away for his referendum. Very nice of him , when were struggling. Wonder of he will eventually admit to his involvement in opus Dei?

[Lab 10,979]

Let's say just for arguments sake Scotland get independence The union breaks up the British army dissolved. The un takes away are place on the security council , the English pound is launched the city of London is still the money capital of the world Scotland launches there new currency the ECK guess who face of the front eck on the 10000 eck note , billy connerllyon the 1000 eck note and grand ma bruin on the 500 hundred eck note various other legendary sweatys on the rest in clueding

RAB C JIMMY CRANKY The new border is set up , ENGLAND emposé a surcharge for every Hgv that crosses the border and every train , food and all other commodities prices shoot thru the roof in Scotland , the outer Hebrides demand a vote on independence saying its their oil and gas , eck finishes the conversion of his new palace at balmoral calling it salmonella and make him self life president promotes Sean Connery to head of armed forces gorden brown (he is yours and your having him like it or not) channcer of the ex checker Bill Connelly as minister of fun , a new haggis tax is launched and fox gun Tom is made border control chief I

Sounds great............ Meanwhile your Mr Cameron will panic about where he will get his millions from now and have to open the floodgates further to every country in the world....

oh and I forgot FIFE gets wold heritage status for the lovely sea front and new aldi super store ,

The Kingdom of Fife actually.. .....And for your information theres a beach in Fife thats so good its f*****g Nuclear......

[Night Hunter 109]

Just my opinion but there is more imigrants in scotland now than there ever was,The euro is fu*ked,Salmond is a wee fat lying cu*t,Nicola Sturgeon is his ho who by the way has just set the minimum price of alcohol and has fu*ked the NHS good and proper,Scotland is always first to ban this and that,could you just imagine for a second what fu*kin state we would be in with these two cu*ts making all the decisions north of the border ,we might as well fu*k off elsewhere and live like imigrants.....

Is she the horrible little twat always on qestion time

 

If you mean the one that looks like a bad drag queen here she is

 

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[tandors 888]

Camerons yours aswell

[Lab 10,979]

Camerons yours aswell

The now..........

[gonetoearth 5,144]

Gat a recent photo of eck in his black suit and tie draw a thin black mustachios on him and look at the resemblance !!!!

[Night Hunter 109]

Oh and while im on for them being cheeky fookers even if they decide to stay in start making them pay for their perscriptions and University fees like we have to here.

 

Oh we will be paying for them mate every time we buy bevvy...lol..... unless of course we do a bevvy run south of the border.

[gonetoearth 5,144]

Just my opinion but there is more imigrants in scotland now than there ever was,The euro is fu*ked,Salmond is a wee fat lying cu*t,Nicola Sturgeon is his ho who by the way has just set the minimum price of alcohol and has fu*ked the NHS good and proper,Scotland is always first to ban this and that,could you just imagine for a second what fu*kin state we would be in with these two cu*ts making all the decisions north of the border ,we might as well fu*k off elsewhere and live like imigrants.....

Is she the horrible little twat always on qestion time

 

If you mean the one that looks like a bad drag queen here she is

 

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THATS THE HE SHE Edited May 26, 2012 by gonetoearth