pups not a killer ???

[Guest born to run1083]

What you want I'd a dummy, skin a rabbit and put it over something and treat it like a game get him retrieving it's not about killing bud its a game, get him bringing a skin back which has all the scents on so he knows when he's chasing that he can relate the smell with bringing it to you ect lot of praise always end on a high, that's what I is with my dog, thn when he came out watching I threw a dead rabbit on the lamp and got him retrieving it and it worked for me... Give it a try

Aye mate it works wonders I leave the head on when I skin them, so once stuffed like look and smell exactly to what he will be persuing when he's ready. plus most think it real prey if you attack string to it's head and imitate a course. It adds all ends of confidence. I personally do this method from 8 weeks old

[beast 1,884]

theres a lot of good advice here, just work on your bond and on obedience until the autumn, yes there is a chance he won't make the grade but only if you keep trying to get him to do stuff before he's ready!!!! give him time and he will be fine

[whippetmad 11]

thanks for the posts yes ivedone all the work we the skins etc tbh he isnt really intrested in skins or dead game and i dont do any type of ferreting im gonna leavehim well alone untill he is 12 months and just take himto watch the older dogs and his sister (wich is allready had double figures and retriving) the bond between us couldnt get any better if i tried recall etc is all superb cheers lads

[j316 119]

tut tut no baggies

[blackmaggie 3,376]

i would be carefull letting your pup near live crows as they can/do peck your dogs eyes and that might spook him or make him hard bitten

Edited May 26, 2012 by blackmaggie

[Guest born to run1083]

thanks for the posts yes ivedone all the work we the skins etc tbh he isnt really intrested in skins or dead game and i dont do any type of ferreting im gonna leavehim well alone untill he is 12 months and just take himto watch the older dogs and his sister (wich is allready had double figures and retriving) the bond between us couldnt get any better if i tried recall etc is all superb cheers lads

I wouldn't normally suggest this as if done to often can make some dogs hard mouthed but if he has no interest with dead game to get him used to the dummy I suggested. When you skin the rabbit let him be there let him really get involved by let him smell it and so on even lick it lol then with him next to you boil the skinned rabbit so the meat let's off it normal stronger smell when being boiled. Then cut the rabbit up into small pieces. Feed a small amount before using the new dummy this normally makes them more interested in it. once he's played a bit then feed him some more. Do this few times then you should have an interested dog. hope this might help

[Gaz_1989 9,539]

thanks for the posts yes ivedone all the work we the skins etc tbh he isnt really intrested in skins or dead game and i dont do any type of ferreting im gonna leavehim well alone untill he is 12 months and just take himto watch the older dogs and his sister (wich is allready had double figures and retriving) the bond between us couldnt get any better if i tried recall etc is all superb cheers lads

I wouldn't normally suggest this as if done to often can make some dogs hard mouthed but if he has no interest with dead game to get him used to the dummy I suggested. When you skin the rabbit let him be there let him really get involved by let him smell it and so on even lick it lol then with him next to you boil the skinned rabbit so the meat let's off it normal stronger smell when being boiled. Then cut the rabbit up into small pieces. Feed a small amount before using the new dummy this normally makes them more interested in it. once he's played a bit then feed him some more. Do this few times then you should have an interested dog. hope this might help

 

Genuine question, not a critisism...

 

How do you teach the dog that whilst this is edible it is not to be eaten in the field?

[DogMagic 461]

Just take him out with the your other dogs for a walk in the countryside everyday mate. Mooch about bushing. Just have fun like that. No pressure. Go places where theres a lot of rabbits. Your bouind to flush a few and your bound to catch one or two of um. He will be involved. Let him experience it all that way. And make sure you praise the hell out of him him whenever he does the slightest little thing right.

[skycat 6,173]

thanks for the posts yes ivedone all the work we the skins etc tbh he isnt really intrested in skins or dead game and i dont do any type of ferreting im gonna leavehim well alone untill he is 12 months and just take himto watch the older dogs and his sister (wich is allready had double figures and retriving) the bond between us couldnt get any better if i tried recall etc is all superb cheers lads

 

Male pups are much slower to enter, and mature both physically and mentally. I wouldn't take him to watch other dogs running game if he has to stay on the lead: like lamping for example. Like DogMagic says in the post above: take him out mooching around with the other dogs in the day time: let him join in the fun.

 

So many young dogs are ruined because the owners see the pup's littermates being more advanced and they think they have a non starter. It's like kids: some learn to read earlier than others: but its doesn't mean to say that the slower ones are retards. Its just that their brains are developing at a different rate, and they often go on to be brilliant later on in life.

 

Don't fall into the trap of comparing your pup with others: they are all individuals and different.

 

As for chasing then not picking the rabbit up if it stops: that is because this is still a very immature pup: his instinct makes him chase a moving rabbit, but once it stops moving he doesn't yet know what to do. Patience, patience and more patience.

[Guest born to run1083]

thanks for the posts yes ivedone all the work we the skins etc tbh he isnt really intrested in skins or dead game and i dont do any type of ferreting im gonna leavehim well alone untill he is 12 months and just take himto watch the older dogs and his sister (wich is allready had double figures and retriving) the bond between us couldnt get any better if i tried recall etc is all superb cheers lads

I wouldn't normally suggest this as if done to often can make some dogs hard mouthed but if he has no interest with dead game to get him used to the dummy I suggested. When you skin the rabbit let him be there let him really get involved by let him smell it and so on even lick it lol then with him next to you boil the skinned rabbit so the meat let's off it normal stronger smell when being boiled. Then cut the rabbit up into small pieces. Feed a small amount before using the new dummy this normally makes them more interested in it. once he's played a bit then feed him some more. Do this few times then you should have an interested dog. hope this might help

 

Genuine question, not a critisism...

 

How do you teach the dog that whilst this is edible it is not to be eaten in the field?

Like I said it's only used if really needed to get them interested in the dummy, but a well enough trained dog in retrieval should now after a chase of any object or animal to return with it to it's owner before anything else if they can obviously certain things can't be retrieved. I've feed mine raw rabbits and they know the difference. As many members on here will agree they feed whole rabbits including pelts and have no problems in retrieves in the field. But obviously by 7 months old I'd expect it to know how to retrieve as you train this from 8 weeks lol

[whippetmad 11]

thankyou all and skycat shoud have took your advice in the first place ive done the idiotic thing and tried getting him catching because his sister has done it and i admitt im in the wrong i takehim out everyday and he always chasing but thankyou for all the posts i thought i was gonna get hammerd for writing what i did top people hopefully in 3 months my post will be the first catch for my pup :laugh: :boogy: ps also the dog isnt nasty 1 bit very soft dog lol

Edited May 27, 2012 by whippetmad

[GrCh 856]

if a dog doesn't kill after the first 8weeks of its life its no good to me.

[moon pig 39]

if a dog doesn't kill after the first 8weeks of its life its no good to me.

 

 

Does the same apply if ur dog is scared of other dogs?..................

[redcur 54]

sometimes i sit here and read these posts ................ and from time to time i have to flip a coin as to weather its a wind up or is the post for real

[GrCh 856]

if a dog doesn't kill after the first 8weeks of its life its no good to me.

 

 

Does the same apply if ur dog is scared of other dogs?..................

 

of course no good to me then..........