Would you?

[Leamo 7]

I agree entirely but as I have not shot one and asked would you it was more about ethics than breaking laws, at the end of the day the internet is filtered and we all leave an http trail so if the old bill want you they'll no where you are with a touch of a button. As far as laws go I'm sure most people speed or maybe go threw orange rather than stop or maybe not. My personal yet humble opinion is that body shots are cruel, yes they stop an animal pretty much %100 of the time but it's not instant like a bullet threw the brain. Ever think why it's legal for cattle weighing maybe quarter of a tone or so can be shot using a .22 round but a roe can't laws don't add up in my eyes in any case. Seems the less fluffy and less of a pest the bigger the gun, ie you can snare rabbits but you'd probably hang if you snared a deer.

[The one 8,456]

And deer are not going to be listed on a 22 firearms cert

[nasher1 258]

If you have a appropriate calibre ie. .243 or above it is on your cert as a deer calibre, you can see your intended target without artificial light and at the moment if its a buck shoot it, if you cant meet these requirements leave em be.

[paulus 26]

has to be a windup

[kenny14 656]

:hmm:

You possess:

.22 LR

.243

.303

 

Yet you clearly don't posses any knowledge of the law regarding the shooting of live quarry.

Also you make it clear that you haven't shot one, but you seem to be trying to get people to admit they would shoot them illegally, or possibly to tell you that they have done so before.

So I wonder:

A) Are you an anti trying to get shooters to admit acting recklessly and breaking the law?

B)Are you just naive? In which case I find it hard to believe you convinced the local FEO that you're safe and competent enough to hold an FAC.

C) You're just having a wind up.

 

Personally I hope it's C, , but if it's B, I'm bloody thankful you live at the other end of the country!

 

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Edited May 25, 2012 by kenny14

[PlasticJock 539]

Unless it's humane dispatch, you're asking for trouble no matter where they are or what the circumstances are.

If there's a specific time that they are on your property, and providing its a legal time, why not get the kids out for a couple of hours?

I know the laws regarding deer are complex, but you will be guilty until proven innocent especially considering you have 2 other deer legal calibres.

Not only that, but if you want to go down the 'They're on my property' route I'm pretty sure that you have to prove other means haven't worked, for example deer proof fences etc. Why not speak to the adjacent landowners and see if you can ambush them on the way?

Also, I know what you're saying about .22lr being used on much heavier animals, but for example on a farm you're talking about a few feet away straight into the brain, and often the animal will be incapacitated to begin with.

I'm no expert but the others are, and if they say it's not worth it (not to mention very cruel if it's a less than perfect shot), then to me it's not worth it.

[charlie caller 3,654]

If you had roe deer sleeping in your garden and eating your shrubs, then settling down for the night less than 30 meters away would you head shoot them with a .22 rimfire? Garanteed two a night maximum I have seen 11 but garanteed every night at least two...... Hmmmmm I would use a bigger calibre but don't want to scare my children who are sleeping.

Dont be so bloody silly, must be a wind up.

[cameroncharles 2]

Wondered if a catapult could replace my rimmy, goliath got took down with one, I'd try an eye shot with an air rifle from the next county! Remember, you'll need all pigeons to fly left though for it to work....jesus c almighty..some people..

[Britishbull24 131]

Use a Crossbow mate, Or maybe a spear. Or just throw a folk at them, That will do the trick.

[nod 285]

'Would you' was the original question, he has already said he has the right tools for the job, he didnt ask all the legal stuff

[matt_hooks 188]

And the answer to "would you" is obviously "not in a million f#####g years".

 

Forget the arguments about lethality of the .22LR. Yes, it can and will kill much bigger creatures than a Roe deer, and many will have been cleanly and humanely taken with one over the years.

 

The only thing at issue here is legality.

 

If you shoot a deer with a .22LR, other than for humane dispatch (or in certain circumstances in an enclosed park where the animals are classed as "farmed" then you will be committing several offences, under at least two different acts of parliament.

 

You could certainly be prosecuted under the deer act, as the LR doesn't meet the minimum requirements for legal deer calibres. Also you mentioned at night, so again this is contrary to the deer act unless you obtain a special licence so to do. So there you have two offences, either of which would lead to the loss of your FAC, permanently, as an absolute minimum and probably a large fine.

 

Then you look at firearms law. You will find that you are materially in breach of at least one condition on your certificate, and in the eyes of the firearms team that's a crime worse than murder and again will ensure that you don't get your fizzog printed on a form 102 or 104 ever again.

 

So do it properly, or don't do it at all.

 

And if you would like a detailed explanation of why a "boiler room" shot is better than a head shot in pretty much every case just ask.

[martin 332]

This has to be a wind up doesn't it,either that or the Devon FEO's are stupid and give out firearms willy nilly!

[Leamo 7]

I no the laws obviously or wouldn't have the weapons I do, also I'm far from an anti I love fresh meat wether it walks or flies. It was only a question I asked after a conversation with a friend about why can you basically strangle rabbits with snares poison rats till they bleed to death and rdgardless what the law says fox still get torn up with hounds yet a clean head shot at less than 30 meters with a hollow point is classed illegal and inhumane. I have a night time variation and gaming license so am clear on laws just tried to see how the test of the general public felt I also no shooting dear at night is illegal. I think I read someone lives 25 minutes away let's hook up and get out.

[Leamo 7]

Ps; cheers nod excellent point!

[matt_hooks 188]

Why it's illegal is kind of irrelevant. I think the answer lies mainly in the fact that deer have always been considered a regal beast, and their hunting the prerogative of the rich or royal. The deer act sets out a minimum calibre, and that is that. Get caught shooting one with something smaller and you WILL lose your certificates (outside the obvious exemptions for HD)

 

The OP raised a question which I think could only be adequately answered by looking at the legal aspects.

 

As a point of law, shooting them with a .22LR is not defined as inhumane. The law in this case makes no value judgement, it merely states a minimum calibre that is acceptable for shooting deer.

 

As for a "night time variation" what's one of those?

 

A gaming licence? You take a fruit machine out in the field with you?