hancock lurchers

[omegathelast 160]

Well I like mine.

 

 

Couldn`t care less about all the bullshit opinions from folk who have never owned them.

Well I like mine.

 

 

Couldn`t care less about all the bullshit opinions from folk who have never owned them.

 

looks like a fine dog to me mate.

 

Cheers bud, he has filled out nicely and is quick, faster than I expected even, so hopefully this year will see him do good. He`s clever enough for sure.

 

He looks superb

[Ideation 8,216]

Aye, he's a good looking hound rake. What height has he made?

[Rake aboot 4,935]

26" bud, hahahaha told the missus he would make 22 at a push,

 

He has really filled out well. I`ll try and get some pics up, nice big chest and good legs and feet.

He`s had a few runs, and has picked up rabbits but needs to get that pick up ingrained, Bloody quick dog though. The kids made me run him on the lure at Kirkaldy and he went like f**k !!! hahaha

 

Total thief as well. Which I like in a lurcher !

[troter58 1,711]

Well I like mine.

 

 

Couldn`t care less about all the bullshit opinions from folk who have never owned them.

very nice sort there i lamped a hancock dog was a great catch dog very good but has been said seen a few bad ones atb troter

[BLACKWATER... 157]

if you no the right people there home bred dogs more suitable than puppy farmers dogs, i wouldnt own a hanckock for free ,but some people are easy pleased ,alot are slow at picking up as they have not got hunting blood ingrained in them from generaitions of working dogs at times , paitience is avirtue in buying a dog no rush until the rightone comes along , its like going to tescos to by hanncoker , easy to get but well mas produced , never a good sign in a genuine working animal ,the best dogs ive saw were bred by serous hunting individuals ,hope this helps luckless people to go the right way

Edited May 22, 2012 by BLACKWATER...

[BLACKWATER... 157]

p s had a hancock but no way would i have another so talking from expierence

[Guest born to run1083]

p s had a hancock but no way would i have another so talking from expierence

Are You basing this wealth of knowledge you informed us on by just one Hancock dog owned or have you had several. I don't like him or the idea of him but he has produced some good dogs just like I know he has produce some very poor dogs. And trust me I'm not easily pleased

[doga 50]

ive had four off him over the years two ive put to sleep with unrepairable injury's both honest dogs but totaly different,one i re-homed just couldnt get on with the thing the other died of natural causes,i can honestly say two were decent one was very good the other crap. i wouldnt go back to him again though i find they dont hold up that well if your working them hard week after week.

bird off here as got a good sort,home bred,the guy with the collie that bred his bryn is on the a5 telford way on better taking a decent grey bitch too him to line.

[rob190364 2,594]

Go on mate...open another big can of worms....lol..just joking.

 

I've had one, and i have her daughter right here at my feet. Neither world beaters, but both filled the bag well for me, however, personally i'd never have another. If you want a first cross collie/grey then you know thats what you'll get from hancock. But parents are not proven(actually never get any work) and they're not socialised, so do end up up with a dog that has issues. But thats not every dog.

Go to someone, (plenty of them about) that has a litter from proven parents and have had a better start in life.

What do you want from your new lurcher mate?

I'm not really qualified to have an opinion either way on his dogs, but just a comment on what you've said here and what many other people have said. A parent having issues because it's stuck in a cage and is not socialised wouldn't be passed on through the genes so it's irrelevant (as long as those issue are definitely caused by the fact it's stuck in a cage and not some other fault....i.e. an inherited ropey temprament). Also, if Hancocks dogs come from a long line of workers (I don't know if they do or not??), then the fact they don't work also shouldn't really make a lot of difference as the amount of work a dog does also doesn't affect it's genes and therefore isn't passed on to it's offspring....if that makes sense? If you know someone who has a 8 year old dog that has 7 hard seasons of hard graft under it's belt and has just had pups, it you turned the clock back and sat that dog in a cage for 7 years, the pups it knocked out now would be exactly the same as after 7 seasons graft. The only gamble is the fact they haven't proved what they could do so it's a chance you take, if Hancocks dogs that he breeds off were in different hands they could be absolute quality, they just haven't shown that because he doesn't take them out.

 

The thing is, if you get a dog off someone you don't know then it's a gamble anyway! For all you know the person that's claiming to be working their dogs hard season after season might be a complete bullshitter and also leaves the dog sat in a cage for weeks on end. Unless you're buying off a mate or someone who is well known for working their dogs hard then it's a gamble.

 

Whether you want to give you cash to someone who's a blatant puppy farmer or not is a different matter entirely.

 

The other thing is, everyone says that some of his dogs have been very poor, some very good, some average.....could be that they're so widely bought, they've ended up in the hands of some very poor owners, very good owners, and average owners, depends on how much you think the owner affects the dog (a great deal IMO). A higher percentage of his dogs might end up shite because people who've been in the game for years are less likely to go to him, people new to the game and not really knowing what they're doing, or people who are just getting a lurcher on a whim and therefore aren't really putting much into their dogs are also more likely to go to him because it's easier and also because they may not have the contacts to get one from anywhere else.

 

Long post for someone who doesn't have an opinion on it!

Edited May 22, 2012 by rob190364

[Guest born to run1083]

Go on mate...open another big can of worms....lol..just joking.

 

I've had one, and i have her daughter right here at my feet. Neither world beaters, but both filled the bag well for me, however, personally i'd never have another. If you want a first cross collie/grey then you know thats what you'll get from hancock. But parents are not proven(actually never get any work) and they're not socialised, so do end up up with a dog that has issues. But thats not every dog.

Go to someone, (plenty of them about) that has a litter from proven parents and have had a better start in life.

What do you want from your new lurcher mate?

I'm not really qualified to have an opinion either way on his dogs, but just a comment on what you've said here and what many other people have said. A parent having issues because it's stuck in a cage and is not socialised wouldn't be passed on through the genes so it's irrelevant (as long as those issue are definitely caused by the fact it's stuck in a cage and not some other fault....i.e. an inherited ropey temprament). Also, if Hancocks dogs come from a long line of workers (I don't know if they do or not??), then the fact they don't work also shouldn't really make a lot of difference as the amount of work a dog does also doesn't affect it's genes and therefore isn't passed on to it's offspring....if that makes sense? If you know someone who has a 8 year old dog that has 7 hard seasons of hard graft under it's belt and has just had pups, it you turned the clock back and sat that dog in a cage for 7 years, the pups it knocked out now would be exactly the same as after 7 seasons graft. The only gamble is the fact they haven't proved what they could do so it's a chance you take, if Hancocks dogs that he breeds off were in different hands they could be absolute quality, they just haven't shown that because he doesn't take them out.

 

The thing is, if you get a dog off someone you don't know then it's a gamble anyway! For all you know the person that's claiming to be working their dogs hard season after season might be a complete bullshitter and also leaves the dog sat in a cage for weeks on end. Unless you're buying off a mate or someone who is well known for working their dogs hard then it's a gamble.

 

Whether you want to give you cash to someone who's a blatant puppy farmer or not is a different matter entirely.

 

The other thing is, everyone says that some of his dogs have been very poor, some very good, some average.....could be that they're so widely bought, they've ended up in the hands of some very poor owners, very good owners, and average owners, depends on how much you think the owner affects the dog (a great deal IMO). A higher percentage of his dogs might end up shite because people who've been in the game for years are less likely to go to him, people new to the game and not really knowing what they're doing, or people who are just getting a lurcher on a whim and therefore aren't really putting much into their dogs are also more likely to go to him because it's easier and also because they may not have the contacts to get one from anywhere else.

 

Long post for someone who doesn't have an opinion on it!

Spot on mate

[canaliculata 28]

I have had hancock dogs, one great one good, after these two i decided to look else where and get a worker to worker lurcher. I dont like the all idea of puppy farming, but i have changed my views some what after recently looking for a puppy. I still dont agree with puppy farming, but on the other hand 90% of everybody else i encountered that were breeding litters didnt have a clue what they were breeding from or what they were doing.

 

I would have another, but if i knew somebody well that was breeding worker to worker i would have one of these as my first choice.

[poacher3161 1,766]

He used to breed shit hot courseing dogs aparently lol.

[bird 9,864]

i suppose its what kind of collie x grey you want. You can get colliex to colliex from good working homes, as there is a few on here. And if you want bit of whippet in the mix (colliexwhippetx grey) quite a few on here . But if you were after 1x collie x grey, there (dont) seem to be that many bred that you here of or 1/4 collie 3/4 grey . I think i was lucky with my 1x collie x grey Bryn, he is local bred from a lad on here(hawcroft) , and he as been a great rabbit dog day+night, had good bags with him for 5 years. But if you dont know of these dogs that been bred, most people will go to Hancock as they know he will have what they want regards colliexs. So thats the way it is, my mate had very good 1/4 collie 3/4 grey of Hancock , it took all quarry fast and plenty of guts . My old dog Blaze was 1/2 Hancock , the rest 1/2 home bred and he was good fox dog and good on rabbits.( I wouldnt go there my self), but some of his dogs aint been to bad, as does seem to sell a fair few.!

[Guest born to run1083]

Aye mate, there are others out there apart from Hancock , I think bryn and missy would be good match. Half cross to half cross both home bred.

[Guest Aardvark]

p s had a hancock but no way would i have another so talking from expierence

what age did you get it at....ps the dog not you