The longer the course the better the dog, why??(Ireland)

[Guest Aardvark]

id rather see two dogs running a hare to be honest

[gorger 977]

Excatly jim that's the word control mohamed of course dog has to turn hare but no point turning it if canyt control it a dog to control a hare in ire in small feilds on its own no little helpers is a pleasure to watch good dogs lads should be able to run everywhere. Seen dogs puttin 30 turns into hare never looked like catching it has to have skill great timing when to strike

[Guest Aardvark]

better with one doing the work an a crafty c**t sitting behind

[mohamad 29]

i agree with gorger on that, and it all depends on the land you hunt like carlow and louth there is massive land but there is other countys in ireland that wouldnt suit these dogs that run in big land they wouldnt have the speed again thats just my opinion, and yes lads i think that a dog that can get on a good winter hare in small land and hold him in the 1 field for 20 turns and controls it thats at least 2 to 3 minute run i think it is a decent dog,

good post that would be exciting to watch r these all salukie bred or what here theres a boy here keeps some decent borzi stuff always plenty pups about him thinkin purchasing one Edited May 20, 2012 by mohamad

[iceman001979 1,316]

Hares are not as easy as 3 turns dead.Prop start off season or if your slipping straight out bed.If dog cant catch in in 15 ,20 turns the dogs no good????Why can you not get a good hare????It not always about the dog.

As speedie said you need a fast dog that can run slow.

Once a hare is broke it comes down to the dog keeping the hare away from its escape root and the hare trying to get the dog away from its escape root.

The dog trying to time the next turn and the hare trying to time when the next strike is coming from,You can get good courses in Ireland.

How many you run after the course????

[Guest Aardvark]

Hares are not as easy as 3 turns dead.Prop start off season or if your slipping straight out bed.If dog cant catch in in 15 ,20 turns the dogs no good????Why can you not get a good hare????It not always about the dog.

As speedie said you need a fast dog that can run slow.

Once a hare is broke it comes down to the dog keeping the hare away from its escape root and the hare trying to get the dog away from its escape root.

The dog trying to time the next turn and the hare trying to time when the next strike is coming from,You can get good courses in Ireland.

How many you run after the course????

yous boys all know your stuff an have the good dogs for the job for running in comps me im just out for a run

[Good Man 196]

I agree, i think its a good dog, that can kill a hare consistently, in the same field that it was put up in winter.

I have also heard about the big land in carlow and Louth ect, take some dog to kill consistent their apparently in the winter months, would love to see that some time, as where i am, you need a quick up and at them controlling type, with stamina for a days hunt.

JF, good point about the stop watch.

[BLACKWATER... 157]

if speed wasnt a critea then we wouldnt brerd to the faboulus big grews whippet greyhounds to salukxtype to put pace in once in a while, after 30 years huntin here usa england etc , a good hare dog runs the situaition its bred into them saw it time after time , you need pace to get there then control the race or kill it if its a silly hare ,land befits the chase at times biggest race i had as we stop watched it and a kill at the end of it up in scotland 2 40 my mate d salmon was there from u s a he stop watches his runs, , over the border had 3 min plus on turf and down fens saw 5 min kills ,if you have agood dog with wind willing to go through anything scotland has big land to suit but dog has to be willing to jump go through cover etc , kittle when was the last time you had a dog capable of cathing hares regulary mate ,up here ,

[Lab 10,979]

You will be surprised how many times some dogs turn hares when your busy watching the course, to keep the hare in the field.

Isn't that where the arguements between the up and at them type and the saluki types start....surely if the dog is good enough to keep it in the field its good enough to strike it?

[KittleRox 2,147]

if speed wasnt a critea then we wouldnt brerd to the faboulus big grews whippet greyhounds to salukxtype to put pace in once in a while, after 30 years huntin here usa england etc , a good hare dog runs the situaition its bred into them saw it time after time , you need pace to get there then control the race or kill it if its a silly hare ,land befits the chase at times biggest race i had as we stop watched it and a kill at the end of it up in scotland 2 40 my mate d salmon was there from u s a he stop watches his runs, , over the border had 3 min plus on turf and down fens saw 5 min kills ,if you have agood dog with wind willing to go through anything scotland has big land to suit but dog has to be willing to jump go through cover etc , kittle when was the last time you had a dog capable of cathing hares regulary mate ,up here ,

aye its been a while, kali was an up and at them and was still killing hares at a good age, the land hasn,t changed any since though so can,t see your point ?

[Good Man 196]

i agree with gorger on that, and it all depends on the land you hunt like carlow and louth there is massive land but there is other countys in ireland that wouldnt suit these dogs that run in big land they wouldnt have the speed again thats just my opinion, and yes lads i think that a dog that can get on a good winter hare in small land and hold him in the 1 field for 20 turns and controls it thats at least 2 to 3 minute run i think it is a decent dog,

 

One of the best dogs i have seen run for a long time is Banner mans bitch, she is a first x saluki greyhound and killed her first few hares at 10 months, she killed a fox single handed at a year old and has since killed any amount of hares, she is some bitch for a first cross, bred well.

She is a quick worker and has a deadly mouth!

[banner man 587]

sound good man il get you up for a good days coursing again next oct nov and you can see her full sister holly in action she is also a very tidy bitch on the longears,

[brookie 1,193]

i think the older breeds of dogs wer better because if they got on a hare they would keep him in the 1 field if you got a good 1 he wud put 15 to 20 good turns in a hare and at was all action, now as good man says its all about minutes not turns and i think its because its ireland trying to copy england, haveing that said there is some good breeding around today and yes the saluki breed is a very good breed but i think its all about getting the right mix of a dog with speed that can hold a hare in 1 field and getting him to stay on. just my opinon

I wouldn,t call a dog that turns the hare 15/20 times a good one

you aint seen a good hare then .just as a few of the contributors to this thread aint either

[brookie 1,193]

now this is a good hare with a good bitch behind it .your whippet greyhound types dont kill these hares

[mattythelamper 73]

Its Better If the dog can kill them quick in winter because you will get more runs out of the dog but imo its better to have the saluki power incase of a real strong hare that will kick up a few extra gears so the dog will have the staying power incase the course goes on for 3,4, mins no saluki power the dog will burn out in a minute or so and the hare will get away