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Just to add to the thread,,,I know most have seen the pic befor,,,but possibly not tree hands ....   Venus ,,half minshaw,,half coursing dog,,,littler sister to swift,,the black and white bitch fran

I wasn't ever going to comment on this thread ever , I wasn't prepared to say anything about the breed or the men although I've seen a few run and know a lot of the men mentioned including victor gh

I did manage to find a single photograph all be it not a great one. Can't really remember the night but the blue bitch in the picture belonged to my old mate from Workington.   The Handsome guy in

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i ve had some of the finest dog men up to our kneck of the woods from as far as usa old d salmon who wrote gazehounds and coursing d slieght , several ,and what sport there had ,there no stock fences tite hedges just big woods with feild to feild inbetween , just great running , and ive been blessed with growing up in it and having dogs to suit ,there no hidden agendas with me if its agood dog its agood dog end off , stuble time most lurcher will do alrite once its ploughed sown then a better class of dog needed

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Before you laugh mate, just think of the stamina a husky could bring?

 

I asked andy about outcrossing to husky & he gave me his opinions. A friend of mine, is also intrested in this X and he is a good dogman, as Andy would testify ;)

has your dog got not enough lyk coz a fort thats y people wanted minshaw 4 wind its been talked abt a few times but my onest opinion a rekon it would have to be bread down minshaws cant be doing the fing if youwant more stamina aaron
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how long could they stay for its alot different staying for 3 mins once but staying for 5 mins 4 or 5 times is ano go for any greyhound on heavy black land..same as adding it to rabbitting dogs its ok when teh lands flat and perfect but when u running up dales mountains across heather rough ground ... we used to run catterick firing ranges my mate brough a greyhound one nite it had to be carried back to car after half hour.. and arent all greyhound s well bred with top breeding in them

 

Most Greyhounds are well Bred not many are from Familys that have won much.

Greys do have great qualities I'm a massive fan I always stick up for them on threads but running in a field to a track are different and need different qualities. You idea is different this way there be no need for tested stuff. I want a deerhound x should I get one off a dog

that's just chased a lure in a straight line all it's life and been good at it ?????? I dont think so .

Plus the with grey the more added the more injuries and ripped skin and fatal accidents happen. Me dads had some good ones in the field but never lasted always after 2-3 years either get killed injured. It Just takes that one accident and for a grey it's game over.

 

 

Back to minshaws lol the don dog looks very strong on the pics but I was told he was actually a racey animal. Did they all throw racey in his litter or were there a few heavy ones due to being high collie saturated

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Whin. You was fast asleep in bed when the best dogmen were running your. Open land an you not only mug hares on the lamp. You mug hares that other peoples dogs have run the wind out of. Muppet. I'm nearby at the minute believe it or not an if it were winter id be bring a good dog man or 2 for a run over your land.you wouldn't be invited though.

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i can answer that question,, on rabbits anyway,,, as andy was with me on a few ocastions when hes had his best bags of bunnys...

 

this last winter we had 101 in one night,,, that was 53 to my bitch venus,, andy carried for me,,, his two sons had don and regie,, they cought the others...on a difrent part of the farm.

 

we also had a 90 a few weeks earlier with just don and venus,,both getting 45 each,,,, and in 2009 we got 100 in one night with ginny and with my non minsaw bitch tara

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Well thanks for your opinion CP

 

yes, minshaws are reknowned for their stamina, but imagine putting in even more stamina :D

 

i said this before about the greyhound, but no one answered the question i put. If you add husky, they'd hard mouthed as hell and their pace is wank. Yes you'd bring in the stamina, but thats it. the negitives out weigh the positives. Does anyone own one, what they like to train.

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andy whats the biggest bag you have had inone night all game ?

 

I've had some decent hauls over the years jimmy...had 27 hares in one night with a few bunnies,had a ton on the bunnies a couple of times,17 hares with one mutt,10 deer in one session,6 foxes in a day,30 odd bunnies and 11 hares with one dog...got 4 hares in the day with a bitch i once had called Tess bred into my dogs i still have way back from the very early 80's :icon_redface: ..took 14 hares out of one field..plenty of memorable times with the dogs to be perfectly honest :D ...ATB Andy. ;)

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What's the second thing that you mentioned there Paulus?

its commonly known as running its back off, its were the build up of latic acid disoves the back muscles

 

 

Thanks for that Paulus...summat i've learnt today :thumbs:

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wish my permission had those sort of numbers to get those kind of bags. Its a good job i'm prepared to travel.

 

I find my best nights aren't the numbers, its the way the dog has worked to get the quarry. When i had Ty (coco's sire), one night there weren't much out and struggling. But then we turned a corner and Ty started to really dig deep. In the end went from barely nothing to 2 foxes, 3 hares and 16 rabbits. Not a massive haul....but my best session ever. Its not numbers, its the quality of the dog.

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Back to minshaws lol the don dog looks very strong on the pics but I was told he was actually a racey animal. Did they all throw racey in his litter or were there a few heavy ones due to being high collie saturated

 

Some are far racier mate and the odd one has slightly more of a collie look than Don..what has surprised me is the pups on the ground out of him all look pretty racy enough?..i'd be interested to see what pups would be like out of his and a Grew or something along those lines to be honest? ATB Andy. ;)

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wish my permission had those sort of numbers to get those kind of bags. Its a good job i'm prepared to travel.

 

I find my best nights aren't the numbers, its the way the dog has worked to get the quarry. When i had Ty (coco's sire), one night there weren't much out and struggling. But then we turned a corner and Ty started to really dig deep. In the end went from barely nothing to 2 foxes, 3 hares and 16 rabbits. Not a massive haul....but my best session ever. Its not numbers, its the quality of the dog.

 

Thats a canny bag of gear is that mate..the days of catching hares and deer are obviously not going to happen anymore but i'm glad i was lucky enough to have achieved what i did with the jukels when it was legal to do so :victory:

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