MINSHAW .....

[toblue 149]

I did hear something about Wedgy beating Minshaw in a match. To be truthful it could have been with one of the first cross ones that I bred, not many people were breeding genuine first crosses in the area so it has a good chance to be but not sure. I can remember that Wedgy and John Langley took one back to Clifton in the early 80s and it turned out to be a good lamping dog. The one that I kept was a nice dog but would not strike. He would be coursing a hare and as soon as he was within striking distance he would be looking at me as if to say what do I do now.

 

The dam was an old Cur on loan from a fell farmer. He said it was to keen and thought a litter might quieten her down. When the pups were about 6 weeks old I went to the pen and the bitch was missing. I thought someone had stolen her. A few days later the farmer came in the pub and I was wondering how to tell him when he said thanks for dropping the old bitch off. She had jumped the pen and ran back home, a good 6 miles away. I just kept quiet and said nothing.

 

To be truthful there were a lot of good dogs doing the rounds at the time. Dogs were fed and worked hard. Most town had a slaughter house or knacker yard. The going rate at the slaughter house was as much as you could fit into a blue fertilizer bag for £3.00. We would usually take a bag of tripe and a bag of sheep heads (they had to be split in half with an axe before they were boiled). Occasionally cows tonges (cant spell that one) and fluked livers were available they all went in the boiler. Not much complete meal about then just one called Wilsons of Dundee. We would worm with small yellow tablets called Epro and my god when your dog had a couple of these it was a case of stand well back and wait for the fireworks.

 

 

Edited April 3, 2016 by toblue

[Flacko 1,742]

Some interesting posts on this thread like to hear about some of the old stuff that was about especially with dogs still grafting of the same lines keep the pics & info coming atb Flacko

[FUJI 17,208]

Could very well of been toblue ? ..the pooch was black & white with black being the prevalent colour if that means anything to you? Oh i can recall the Epro's!! I can mind on giving my mates bitch two one night,we walked her down the road within 15 mins of giving her the tablets,was shitting through the eye of a needle lol & she was walking like a drunken sailor bouncing off the garden hedges all the way down and back up the street lol,they knocked the dog sidewards but she were brand new the next morning..can also remember going to the slaughterhouse in Cockermouth for a dustbin full off meat for £2 and to the knackersyard here in Workington and filling the bin bags lol..was all good craic & like you i can recall the beginning of the "all in one" meal,Vic used to feed Blue & Nipper horse nuggets lol & whatever the butcher's van dropped him off on a Wednesday night sheep heads,tripe,beef & whatever else..i used to love listening to the dog craic at his house,there was ALWAYS dog lads coming & going,i think he enjoyed the limelight lol..can you remember his 1st dog Blue? Was bigger & heavier than "the" Blue we all know,he took Red Deer single handed without much fuss,was just a young dog when he caught his bollox jumping a fence & got an infection which ultimately killed him,my mate had his litter sister & it was infact the 1st dog i ever seen lamping back in 1978 i think it was? We caught 2 rabbits & a hare,that was me f****d from that moment on lol..great times,wouldn't change a thing ?

[bob84 189]

Is a cur not a collie.?

[FUJI 17,208]

This is the bitch i 1st ever went lamping with,she was litter sister to the 1st Blue that Minshaw had,she was called Sally,stood barely 22tts

 

[FUJI 17,208]

Is a cur not a collie.?

To me it is lol ?

[jack lee 137]

I am not sure if this is another post that may be over my head But in answer to your question I do not know who BORDERLAND is or who anyone else is on this forum. To the best of my knowledge Victor bred Nipper, at least I know he owned the sire Old Rip.

THANKS for reply mate,i dont no who BORDERLAD is either,but some fella is of the opinion thats were MINSHAW got him from,just if he owned RIP,I THOUGHT HE WOULD OF BRED AND OWNED nipper ,ITS ALL GOOD DOG TALK ANYWAY

[bob84 189]

 

Is a cur not a collie.?

To me it is lol ?

would you ever go back to lamping like you used to Fuji.

[Trev70 5,185]

Here's a pic of Venus with a few she caught one night..

 

I love the way that bitch catches the rabbits running down the steep hills, I wish my dogs had this knack

[toblue 149]

Is a cur not a collie.?

 

I will post on this tomorrow in more detail Bob. A Cur is a very Northern fell type of collie, not the come bye Shep type. I am full of drink tonight so will leave it at that.

 

The difference between a Cur and a Collie is not vast but they are different animals altogether.

Edited April 3, 2016 by toblue

[toblue 149]

That's a nice looking little bitch Fuji. Just the right type.

 

You know we can all get carried away with the new kids on the block, from what I can see it is the APB x greyhound types, they most certainly look the part but I can imagine they would be a nightmare to handle. Not knocking them as I have no experience of them.

 

Going back 35 years we were all seduced by the first cross Deerhound greyhounds advertised in the Exchange & Mart. They looked fantastic but couldn't catch a hare in a telephone box. Personally I have no idea why anyone would even think of including the modern day deerhound into any lurcher breeding. Totally detrimental but as I said they were bigged up in the exchange and Mart. They won plenty shows

Edited April 4, 2016 by toblue

[low plains drifter 10,362]

Is a cur not a collie.?

To me it is lol Apart from the big fellas, don't think the land holds the numbers like it did 20 plus years ago, and good posts toblue, keep them coming squire

[toblue 149]

Could very well of been toblue ..the pooch was black & white with black being the prevalent colour if that means anything to you? Oh i can recall the Epro's!! I can mind on giving my mates bitch two one night,we walked her down the road within 15 mins of giving her the tablets,was shitting through the eye of a needle lol & she was walking like a drunken sailor bouncing off the garden hedges all the way down and back up the street lol,they knocked the dog sidewards but she were brand new the next morning..can also remember going to the slaughterhouse in Cockermouth for a dustbin full off meat for £2 and to the knackersyard here in Workington and filling the bin bags lol..was all good craic & like you i can recall the beginning of the "all in one" meal,Vic used to feed Blue & Nipper horse nuggets lol & whatever the butcher's van dropped him off on a Wednesday night sheep heads,tripe,beef & whatever else..i used to love listening to the dog craic at his house,there was ALWAYS dog lads coming & going,i think he enjoyed the limelight lol..can you remember his 1st dog Blue? Was bigger & heavier than "the" Blue we all know,he took Red Deer single handed without much fuss,was just a young dog when he caught his bollox jumping a fence & got an infection which ultimately killed him,my mate had his litter sister & it was infact the 1st dog i ever seen lamping back in 1978 i think it was? We caught 2 rabbits & a hare,that was me f****d from that moment on lol..great times,wouldn't change a thing

 

I am sure it will have been one of the same litter. Some travellers also bought one, the only brindle in the litter. The rest were as you described.

 

I never seen the first Blue, or at least I can't remember. I am not so sure if the first Blue would have taken Red as I was with Victor the first time he saw a Red in the lamp and he went crazy... A full bloody herd of them near Grisedale. Nipper had a good try!!

 

It was an hectic time with some great characters. Old Bob Mossem was the main man in the beck (the river Derwent) along with being the top Chicken man. Vic was of course top dog man and the list could go on.

 

A great dog called Sport from Cleator Moor who was stolen by Travelers, but that is a longer story, as is the great fighting men from the Moor. One of the best daytime hare dogs I have ever seen in my life was owned by a guy from Maryport and only stood 21" to the shoulder.

Edited April 3, 2016 by toblue

[billhardy 2,342]

I think this thread very interesting and the turm cur his and can be vast and varied my understanding of the northern hill curs hard bitten cattle type so very different from collie curs ,in some counties mongrells were curs all utilised for work to blue your input to this thread his excellent ,atb bunnys.

[Blackdog92 2,047]

Is a cur not a collie.?

Comparing a fell cur to a collie is like comparing a saluki to a greyhound. Basically the same dog to most people but they are totally different types of dog more in the way they work and move than looks.