MINSHAW .....

[birddog 1,354]

No way were they day dogs Ray ..not for hares anyway ..they caught a few here and there,on occasions a couple but never regular it just wasn't their niche to be honest ...i'd bet that Bryn would kill plenty of other gear Ray on fields more suited to his type rather than big open land? ATB Andy.

yeh its funny andy, ive took him to alot of differnt places ,and he gets real good bags of rabbits, best bag was 28 from 32 runs, and even on harder ground still will get 90% of whats there. But them bigger rabbits he seems to think if he aint got them in 2-3 turns he dont bother, strange aint it because i know he could if he really wanted to .

 

like i said on the phone ray it horses for courses, jazz is much the same, sure she's had golf course and arable bags but put her on harder ground, moorland or sand dunes and she's a different animal for sure, and maybe because they know they can do it on that ground they give that bit more. we really will have to sort out a wee trip out with them both mate

[bird 9,970]

No way were they day dogs Ray ..not for hares anyway ..they caught a few here and there,on occasions a couple but never regular it just wasn't their niche to be honest ...i'd bet that Bryn would kill plenty of other gear Ray on fields more suited to his type rather than big open land? ATB Andy.

yeh its funny andy, ive took him to alot of differnt places ,and he gets real good bags of rabbits, best bag was 28 from 32 runs, and even on harder ground still will get 90% of whats there. But them bigger rabbits he seems to think if he aint got them in 2-3 turns he dont bother, strange aint it because i know he could if he really wanted to .

 

like i said on the phone ray it horses for courses, jazz is much the same, sure she's had golf course and arable bags but put her on harder ground, moorland or sand dunes and she's a different animal for sure, and maybe because they know they can do it on that ground they give that bit more. we really will have to sort out a wee trip out with them both mate

 

yeh , no prob give'em a run in the season , should get good few rabbits

[Simoman 110]

Andy, would yu consider adding, or rather would you of considered adding imported shepherd into the mix? I don't mean the show or pet shit, but imported stuff. Mine were physically sound, agile, good feet and coat, prey drive and a surprising amount of blow..........

[frankel 2,123]

simoman, in your opinion what do then dogs bring to the table that is different to other breeds?? they interest me, but never seen any work so i am all new to them. it would be great to hear some reviews from them by people who own these dogs.

[Millet 4,497]

Nice but evil looking fooker's them Simo..

[Guest born to run1083]

simoman, in your opinion what do then dogs bring to the table that is different to other breeds?? they interest me, but never seen any work so i am all new to them. it would be great to hear some reviews from them by people who own these dogs.

Sorry to hijack simo but I'd say everything a collie has but more guts for when the going gets tough. Shame you didn't put yours across simo would of been a nice type

[Simoman 110]

Nice but evil looking fooker's them Simo..

Millet said what??????????

[Millet 4,497]

Ive only got little leg's but by fook i would shift with that nipping at my arse..

[Guest Moscow]

Simo that red collar looks crap

[frankel 2,123]

simoman, in your opinion what do then dogs bring to the table that is different to other breeds?? they interest me, but never seen any work so i am all new to them. it would be great to hear some reviews from them by people who own these dogs.

Sorry to hijack simo but I'd say everything a collie has but more guts for when the going gets tough. Shame you didn't put yours across simo would of been a nice type

i aint arguing here just making a few points,

 

do you think it makes the difference on pet/import/show... just with the collie into our DON she is a guttsy bitch, with tackling cows on the fellside. and when the going gets tough with don, he keeps going and going and going! i just couldn't imagine the same thing if he was out of some old womans little collie.. BUT then again Bulpa was just that and was out of the neighbours collie and he had a heart of a lion.

 

so again it could be the dog has the minerals or it hasn't, or is it the kind of pure bred used???

 

another question seen as though Don is lurcher x collie this kinda makes him a good example, do you think that we would have a "better" dog if JACK lined a shepard bitch?

 

just some genuine questions for yas,

[Simoman 110]

simoman, in your opinion what do then dogs bring to the table that is different to other breeds?? they interest me, but never seen any work so i am all new to them. it would be great to hear some reviews from them by people who own these dogs.

 

The ones i kept had very high drive Jamie, and just as importantly tested hips, the breed average was 19, mine were 4. Mine had amazing noses, the black one was a competition dog and we won organised comps against the bloodhound club of GB and won over 3 mile competition tracks. He was trained to ignore all ground game and scent but his son, in the photo with him i actually worked on the lamp, a couple of members on here saw him work, he used his nose to good effect when bushing and pegging pheasants and i'd say he had more wind than some of my lurchers Nice tight feet, very trainable, biddable and not much of a back foot Both dogs were capable of 14ft long jump, 7 scale and clearing five bar gates.

On the negative side, they aren't dogs that can just sit in a kennel with no stimulation, they need a lot of exercise and mine also tended to be one man dogs who boned closely with me, not a problem for me as my dogs go nowhere but could be a negative point with todays chop and change knob(not you fellas).

[Simoman 110]

Simo that red collar looks crap

 

That was an early SS collar, i'll sendd him round to deal with the complaints

[frankel 2,123]

simoman, in your opinion what do then dogs bring to the table that is different to other breeds?? they interest me, but never seen any work so i am all new to them. it would be great to hear some reviews from them by people who own these dogs.

 

The ones i kept had very high drive Jamie, and just as importantly tested hips, the breed average was 19, mine were 4. Mine had amazing noses, the black one was a competition dog and we won organised comps against the bloodhound club of GB and won over 3 mile competition tracks. He was trained to ignore all ground game and scent but his son, in the photo with him i actually worked on the lamp, a couple of members on here saw him work, he used his nose to good effect when bushing and pegging pheasants and i'd say he had more wind than some of my lurchers Nice tight feet, very trainable, biddable and not much of a back foot Both dogs were capable of 14ft long jump, 7 scale and clearing five bar gates.

On the negative side, they aren't dogs that can just sit in a kennel with no stimulation, they need a lot of exercise and mine also tended to be one man dogs who boned closely with me, not a problem for me as my dogs go nowhere but could be a negative point with todays chop and change knob(not you fellas).

thanks for that, very interesting breed, i am sure only way to know if they would be a good addition to this line is to try it out. you should try it

[Guest Moscow]

Simo that red collar looks crap

 

That was an early SS collar, i'll sendd him round to deal with the complaints

 

Iam scared its no secret I dont like his gear.

[Simoman 110]

simoman, in your opinion what do then dogs bring to the table that is different to other breeds?? they interest me, but never seen any work so i am all new to them. it would be great to hear some reviews from them by people who own these dogs.

Sorry to hijack simo but I'd say everything a collie has but more guts for when the going gets tough. Shame you didn't put yours across simo would of been a nice type

i aint arguing here just making a few points,

 

do you think it makes the difference on pet/import/show... just with the collie into our DON she is a guttsy bitch, with tackling cows on the fellside. and when the going gets tough with don, he keeps going and going and going! i just couldn't imagine the same thing if he was out of some old womans little collie.. BUT then again Bulpa was just that and was out of the neighbours collie and he had a heart of a lion.

 

so again it could be the dog has the minerals or it hasn't, or is it the kind of pure bred used???

 

another question seen as though Don is lurcher x collie this kinda makes him a good example, do you think that we would have a "better" dog if JACK lined a shepard bitch?

 

just some genuine questions for yas,

 

Without doubt mate, you wiill get the odd decent dog from a pet shepherd but 99.9% are total shit houses, poor conformation, poor temperament and ass much use as a working base as a ashtray on a motorbike. The truth is most people haven't seen a decent shepherd, the good ones are kept and actually used for something, mainly working trials or schutzhund etc, even most police shepherds are shit. The litter i bred consisted of 8 dogs and a bitch, the bitch is still working cattle on a farm in the north west, the rest are still active police dogs with three forces and the rest are competing sport and security dogs.

 

As for wheather Jack lining a shepherd would of been better, i wouldn't give it a second thought as what you guys have produced is doing the job perfectlyy

Born to run my plan was to stick him over a bitch but it never happened as i was always fully stocked, and he was PTS last year so its all redundent now....