Raw diet

[weezel5 2]

As part of my dogs raw diet i still want to giv them a biscut what r your thoughts on the best one or can u get the corret carbs an vitamins into your dog by feeding them veg an rice or bread

 

Thanks guys ?

[hutch6 550]

Fed on a raw diet with plenty of meat for protein etc a dog does not require any food stuffs in the form of carbohydrates as they obtain the glucose they require in their vital organs through the fat and meat they digest.

 

If you are unsure they are getting sufficient and want to top them up them throw in a few boiled new potatos every few days or so. A dog's physiology is not built to deal with cereals

[sandymere 8,263]

Pasta, rice, oats, dog biscuits, completes, brown bread etc etc all are used with good results. I use a complete along with meat and bones etc and get good results, if you don’t want to use a complete then any one or a mixture of any of the others would do.

 

Dogs are designed to digest carbohydrates sources and do so almost as well as us, even to the extent of producing enzymes for the very purpose in a way that obligate carnivores such as cats don’t. Dogs and humans can both do without carbs sources but can is not the same as should and when feeding a working dog we should endeavour to give them the best diet to suit their needs.

[my hounds 307]

Pasta, rice, oats, dog biscuits, completes, brown bread etc etc all are used with good results. I use a complete along with meat and bones etc and get good results, if you don’t want to use a complete then any one or a mixture of any of the others would do.

 

Dogs are designed to digest carbohydrates sources and do so almost as well as us, even to the extent of producing enzymes for the very purpose in a way that obligate carnivores such as cats don’t. Dogs and humans can both do without carbs sources but can is not the same as should and when feeding a working dog we should endeavour to give them the best diet to suit their needs.

If i may ask which complete are you useing at the moment

[Tania Welsh 3]

agree with hutch6, no cereals and no veg (unless it is absolutely pulped but what's the point?). Raw meaty bones are ideal (that includes fish) plus extras such as eggs (raw, scrambled), cottage cheese, pork pies, table scraps etc. Commercial 'Mixer' and 'kibble' should be avoided, do your dog a favour and don't be taken in by the advertising of these unhealthy products. If your absolutely set on giving your dog a biscuit then make your own - just add flour to any 'meat' fats from your cooking (sunday roast, fried sausages etc) until doughy then bung in the oven for 20mins, easy dog biscuits :-)

[Gaz_1989 9,539]

agree with hutch6, no cereals and no veg (unless it is absolutely pulped but what's the point?). Raw meaty bones are ideal (that includes fish) plus extras such as eggs (raw, scrambled), cottage cheese, pork pies, table scraps etc. Commercial 'Mixer' and 'kibble' should be avoided, do your dog a favour and don't be taken in by the advertising of these unhealthy products. If your absolutely set on giving your dog a biscuit then make your own - just add flour to any 'meat' fats from your cooking (sunday roast, fried sausages etc) until doughy then bung in the oven for 20mins, easy dog biscuits :-)

 

Where are the vitamins and minerals?

 

Meat, fish, eggs, pork pies, table scraps?

 

I honestly don't believe that as a carbohydrate source a decent complete is not a bad thing.

 

I was feeding lamb, veg and brown rice (cooked) every morning and then raw meat and bones at night. But the veg and rice was coming straight through the same as it went in.

 

I'm now feeding chicken wings or lamb ribs in a morning and then handful of complete supplemented with meat, offal, fish, eggs, tripe etc before bed.

 

Also give a handful of complete in the afternoon if going lamping that night.

 

Gaz

[Gaz_1989 9,539]

Also I wouldn't advise mixing the juice from cooked sausages with flour to make your own biscuits.

 

The salt would be horrendous let alone anything else.

[Tania Welsh 3]

Also I wouldn't advise mixing the juice from cooked sausages with flour to make your own biscuits.

 

The salt would be horrendous let alone anything else.

My point was that the original op's dogs don't "need" biscuits if he/she is feeding good raw meaty bones/tripe. So my dog biscuit recipe is not for 'feeding' it was a quick, now-n-then way of using up meaty fats for a tasty treat, not a daily food.

[Tania Welsh 3]

agree with hutch6, no cereals and no veg (unless it is absolutely pulped but what's the point?). Raw meaty bones are ideal (that includes fish) plus extras such as eggs (raw, scrambled), cottage cheese, pork pies, table scraps etc. Commercial 'Mixer' and 'kibble' should be avoided, do your dog a favour and don't be taken in by the advertising of these unhealthy products. If your absolutely set on giving your dog a biscuit then make your own - just add flour to any 'meat' fats from your cooking (sunday roast, fried sausages etc) until doughy then bung in the oven for 20mins, easy dog biscuits :-)

 

Where are the vitamins and minerals?

 

Meat, fish, eggs, pork pies, table scraps?

 

I honestly don't believe that as a carbohydrate source a decent complete is not a bad thing.

 

I was feeding lamb, veg and brown rice (cooked) every morning and then raw meat and bones at night. But the veg and rice was coming straight through the same as it went in.

 

I'm now feeding chicken wings or lamb ribs in a morning and then handful of complete supplemented with meat, offal, fish, eggs, tripe etc before bed.

 

Also give a handful of complete in the afternoon if going lamping that night.

 

Gaz

Are u serious? "where are the vitamins and minerals?" - raw meaty bones are RICH in these. I'm also confused because u then go on to say u feed your dog the same as i had suggested anyway - meat offal fish eggs tripe. Why add commercial biscuits is all i'm saying, not necessary and these products are not healthy for your dog. The diet u say u feed is perfect, don't spoil it with commercial garbage.

[Gaz_1989 9,539]

How is tripe, meat, bone, eggs, fish perfect?

 

Dogs need vitamins and minerals.

 

Meat and bone does not contain this I'm afraid.

 

The point I'm making is that wether its in the form of fruit and veg or a complete mixer, vitamins are required IMO.

[hellyer189 93]

What Wouk you avoid giving dogs from table scraps? Things with garlic in ect heard its bad for dogs?

[rob190364 2,594]

What Wouk you avoid giving dogs from table scraps? Things with garlic in ect heard its bad for dogs?

Anything high in salt or sugar is a no no. I give mine scraps of veg, meat or pasta/rice etc.

 

I give my dog raw mince with a handful of blended veg and a handful of either porridge or pasta, and chicken legs and wings, and occassionally lamb and fish.

 

I found she's filled out better with the inclusion of carbs, when I was just giving her BARF with no carbs she wasn't putting on much in the way of muscle mass. I also found that if I don't include the veg she eats loads of grass when out and about. Quite happy with my dogs diet at the moment.

 

The last thing I'd give my dog is dried dog food, full of shite meat and fillers IMO!

[skycat 6,173]

Meat and bone contain a lot of vitamins and minerals, but to get a complete diet you should feed as varied a diet as possible, which includes veg: the whole point of the BARF diet is that it mimics what a wild canine would eat when devouring a whole carcase. Plus, wild canines can browse on all sorts of vegetation and scavenge carrion etc. The only thing wild canines don't get a lot of is carbohydrates. We don't actually need to put carbs into a dog, but they tend to do better if they do get some carbs: especially very athletic and hard working dogs: they'd fade away if all they got was rabbit carcases.

 

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Edited May 18, 2012 by skycat

[bunnys 1,228]

IFone feels theneed to feed flesh and bonme only feed carcass of variety pigen game etc variety plenty of green tripe even when wll washwed this contains plenty vegatation green bellies not the white corn fed type nothing can replicate a goor flesh and bone diet . atb bunnys.

[Tania Welsh 3]

How is tripe, meat, bone, eggs, fish perfect?

 

Dogs need vitamins and minerals.

 

Meat and bone does not contain this I'm afraid.

 

The point I'm making is that wether its in the form of fruit and veg or a complete mixer, vitamins are required IMO.

Not sure where u get your info from but "raw meaty bones" as a diet (not to be confused with "recreational" bones or "BARF") is very rich in vitamins and minerals.