is the whippet becoming to popular for its own good

[mally 832]

would it be a fair assumption to say that some one who breeds a litter or two every year isnt keeping a pup from each litter bred so therefore must be doing it for money,or is it true that they make no money from a litter or two each year as its expensive to raise two litters of pups till there eight weeks old.

 

To rear a litter of puppies well isn't cheap, however the price of one pup will almost cover all the costs associated with rearing and registering a full litter.

 

Just to give you all an idea

 

Stud fee £100-£200

1 bag puppy food £30.00

Raw beef/Lamb 120lbs (for bitch and pups) £56

goats milk £40.00

Registration @ £12 a pup (thats what it cost me 2 years ago not sure how much it is now)

Wormer etc £30

electric (heatlamp) £70

if your giving out about the price of food for pups etc why bloody breed in the first place ..........simple its all the money

 

READ through the post dick, i was only answering a question!!!! and giving an example of coats on rearing a litter of pups properly.

[chartpolski 23,912]

As much as I dislike the K.C.; it's fair to say that the Pedigree Whippet is probably the ONLY K.C. registered type that still excells at it's origional function. There has been K.C. Whippets that have won Coursing Stakes, gained Rch status at racing, and won B.I.S at major shows. Unlike just about every other breed, the K.C. hasn't managed, (yet),to spoil the Whippet.

 

Cheers.

 

i'm not a fan of the kc either but, as non peds and kc whippets come from the same beginnings many moons ago as the non peds clearly outperform the peds on the racetrack at least it could be argued that they have already spoiled the breed, they do breed truer to type cosmetically ie coat, shape size etc but are they that important

 

I'm a big fan of both types, and have owned about half a dozen Non-Peds, albeit many years ago. Yes, they both have common roots, but the Non-Ped has had so much Greyhound in them over the years, and the Ped has stayed relatively pure, (apart from a few cheats in the WCRA), so I wouldn't say the K.C. has ruined them yet I still go to the local Non-Ped track on a saturday morning, and it's not uncommon to see 18lbers and 50lbers in the same litter, this wouldn't happen in a Ped litter. But as I say, I'm a big fan of both types.

 

Cheers.

[birddog 1,354]

As much as I dislike the K.C.; it's fair to say that the Pedigree Whippet is probably the ONLY K.C. registered type that still excells at it's origional function. There has been K.C. Whippets that have won Coursing Stakes, gained Rch status at racing, and won B.I.S at major shows. Unlike just about every other breed, the K.C. hasn't managed, (yet),to spoil the Whippet.

 

Cheers.

 

i'm not a fan of the kc either but, as non peds and kc whippets come from the same beginnings many moons ago as the non peds clearly outperform the peds on the racetrack at least it could be argued that they have already spoiled the breed, they do breed truer to type cosmetically ie coat, shape size etc but are they that important

 

I'm a big fan of both types, and have owned about half a dozen Non-Peds, albeit many years ago. Yes, they both have common roots, but the Non-Ped has had so much Greyhound in them over the years, and the Ped has stayed relatively pure, (apart from a few cheats in the WCRA), so I wouldn't say the K.C. has ruined them yet I still go to the local Non-Ped track on a saturday morning, and it's not uncommon to see 18lbers and 50lbers in the same litter, this wouldn't happen in a Ped litter. But as I say, I'm a big fan of both types.

 

Cheers.

 

we have agreed on many things and i've got to agree again but i can see a similar scenario in the future as with show and racing greyhounds they too came from the same rootstock but with breeders valuing rosettes, cosmetic features and following a standard where real purpose or performance would seem to be a secondary consideration the kc whippet as a working dog is surely doomed

[birddog 1,354]

As much as I dislike the K.C.; it's fair to say that the Pedigree Whippet is probably the ONLY K.C. registered type that still excells at it's origional function. There has been K.C. Whippets that have won Coursing Stakes, gained Rch status at racing, and won B.I.S at major shows. Unlike just about every other breed, the K.C. hasn't managed, (yet),to spoil the Whippet.

 

Cheers.

 

i'm not a fan of the kc either but, as non peds and kc whippets come from the same beginnings many moons ago as the non peds clearly outperform the peds on the racetrack at least it could be argued that they have already spoiled the breed, they do breed truer to type cosmetically ie coat, shape size etc but are they that important

 

I'm a big fan of both types, and have owned about half a dozen Non-Peds, albeit many years ago. Yes, they both have common roots, but the Non-Ped has had so much Greyhound in them over the years, and the Ped has stayed relatively pure, (apart from a few cheats in the WCRA), so I wouldn't say the K.C. has ruined them yet I still go to the local Non-Ped track on a saturday morning, and it's not uncommon to see 18lbers and 50lbers in the same litter, this wouldn't happen in a Ped litter. But as I say, I'm a big fan of both types.

 

Cheers.

 

we have agreed on many things and i've got to agree again but i can see a similar scenario in the future as with show and racing greyhounds they too came from the same rootstock but with breeders valuing rosettes, cosmetic features and following a standard where real purpose or performance would seem to be a secondary consideration the kc whippet as a working dog is surely doomed

 

as a wee add on from our racing era would the peds have benefitted from an infusion of outside blood like mr benn or set fair or the another maid line all outstanding and all whippet to whippet bred maybe some greyhound but a good way back?

[vermin catcher 219]

whippets will never be to popular as there not in the same class as purpose bred working lurchers never will be but fun little dogs for people who like that type of dog

 

would you not say whippets are purpose bred for serious rabbiting then as a lurcher owner most of my life i have for the last 4-5 years kept only whippets for this very reason .i can assure you i have never ever found them inferior to any purpose bred lurcher as you put it. To say a whippet would will never be as good as a lurcher is pure pish in my book.A good un is a good un, be it lurcher or whippet. Not knocking lurchers and never would, ive had some cracking rabbiting lurchers over the years . But you cant generalise any breed of dog against another and if YOU can ,how do you judge it?

Edited May 16, 2012 by vermin catcher

[chartpolski 23,912]

As much as I dislike the K.C.; it's fair to say that the Pedigree Whippet is probably the ONLY K.C. registered type that still excells at it's origional function. There has been K.C. Whippets that have won Coursing Stakes, gained Rch status at racing, and won B.I.S at major shows. Unlike just about every other breed, the K.C. hasn't managed, (yet),to spoil the Whippet.

 

Cheers.

 

i'm not a fan of the kc either but, as non peds and kc whippets come from the same beginnings many moons ago as the non peds clearly outperform the peds on the racetrack at least it could be argued that they have already spoiled the breed, they do breed truer to type cosmetically ie coat, shape size etc but are they that important

 

I'm a big fan of both types, and have owned about half a dozen Non-Peds, albeit many years ago. Yes, they both have common roots, but the Non-Ped has had so much Greyhound in them over the years, and the Ped has stayed relatively pure, (apart from a few cheats in the WCRA), so I wouldn't say the K.C. has ruined them yet I still go to the local Non-Ped track on a saturday morning, and it's not uncommon to see 18lbers and 50lbers in the same litter, this wouldn't happen in a Ped litter. But as I say, I'm a big fan of both types.

 

Cheers.

 

we have agreed on many things and i've got to agree again but i can see a similar scenario in the future as with show and racing greyhounds they too came from the same rootstock but with breeders valuing rosettes, cosmetic features and following a standard where real purpose or performance would seem to be a secondary consideration the kc whippet as a working dog is surely doomed

 

as a wee add on from our racing era would the peds have benefitted from an infusion of outside blood like mr benn or set fair or the another maid line all outstanding and all whippet to whippet bred maybe some greyhound but a good way back?

 

There was a bit of a scandal a few years back, when cheats in the WCRA WERE caught adding Non-Ped and Greyhound blood to their "Peds" !! That's when DNA testing was introduced to stamp it out. I can't understand these cheaters doing that, why not just race in the Non-Peds, where the only restricton is wheight ? It's the same as these cheats in the "Lurcher" racing using Non-Peds and unmarked Greyhounds, just to win a rosette ! I believe there is a place for Peds AND Non-Peds, they have their own racing Associations, and can run together at club timed handicaps. I've enjoyed working with both types, and they both have their advantges and disadvantages.

Cheers.

[iworkwhippets 12,604]

whippets will never be to popular as there not in the same class as purpose bred working lurchers never will be but fun little dogs for people who like that type of dog

 

And by the same token, some lurchers arent in the same class as a gradely working whippet, like what i own, fun little dogs eh, well im having loads of it with mine, you all enjoy your lurchers and good luck to you, as for me, i wouldnt run anything else, by the way, you ever worked a whippet

[birddog 1,354]

As much as I dislike the K.C.; it's fair to say that the Pedigree Whippet is probably the ONLY K.C. registered type that still excells at it's origional function. There has been K.C. Whippets that have won Coursing Stakes, gained Rch status at racing, and won B.I.S at major shows. Unlike just about every other breed, the K.C. hasn't managed, (yet),to spoil the Whippet.

 

Cheers.

 

i'm not a fan of the kc either but, as non peds and kc whippets come from the same beginnings many moons ago as the non peds clearly outperform the peds on the racetrack at least it could be argued that they have already spoiled the breed, they do breed truer to type cosmetically ie coat, shape size etc but are they that important

 

I'm a big fan of both types, and have owned about half a dozen Non-Peds, albeit many years ago. Yes, they both have common roots, but the Non-Ped has had so much Greyhound in them over the years, and the Ped has stayed relatively pure, (apart from a few cheats in the WCRA), so I wouldn't say the K.C. has ruined them yet I still go to the local Non-Ped track on a saturday morning, and it's not uncommon to see 18lbers and 50lbers in the same litter, this wouldn't happen in a Ped litter. But as I say, I'm a big fan of both types.

 

Cheers.

 

we have agreed on many things and i've got to agree again but i can see a similar scenario in the future as with show and racing greyhounds they too came from the same rootstock but with breeders valuing rosettes, cosmetic features and following a standard where real purpose or performance would seem to be a secondary consideration the kc whippet as a working dog is surely doomed

 

as a wee add on from our racing era would the peds have benefitted from an infusion of outside blood like mr benn or set fair or the another maid line all outstanding and all whippet to whippet bred maybe some greyhound but a good way back?

 

There was a bit of a scandal a few years back, when cheats in the WCRA WERE caught adding Non-Ped and Greyhound blood to their "Peds" !! That's when DNA testing was introduced to stamp it out. I can't understand these cheaters doing that, why not just race in the Non-Peds, where the only restricton is wheight ? It's the same as these cheats in the "Lurcher" racing using Non-Peds and unmarked Greyhounds, just to win a rosette ! I believe there is a place for Peds AND Non-Peds, they have their own racing Associations, and can run together at club timed handicaps. I've enjoyed working with both types, and they both have their advantges and disadvantages.

Cheers.

 

was orford cheating using bulldog blood? now that the bwra have introduced breeding restrictions regarding the amount of greyhound blood are the non peds going to be the racing greyhound of the future and the kc the show greyhound? I have owned raced and worked both but always come back to lurchers I'm not trying to put anyone or their dogs down, I have mates who own both types and am still a fan of both

[BLACKWATER... 157]

as i says before pedigree whippets racing whippets are never as good as proper bred working lurchers bever will be , bone feet coat cross bred vigour , saw several rabbiting hunting trails whippet never one it all purpose bred lurchers , i have freinds whith whippets and had a grew , not in same class never will be ,there fun racing dogs and rabbiting in fine weather , a kc whippet hasnt weight constitution for allround hard rabbiting on shale scree week in week out , or we would have had them , lurchers for serous dog men i afraid ive saw whipps getting injured on tracks on lovely surfaces what would they do on rough land ,and cold wet high land thats why we have dogs with coat like colie type beardie type etcetc ,

Edited May 17, 2012 by BLACKWATER...

[chartpolski 23,912]

Whin, I don't think anyone, certainly not me, are saying that Whippets are better than Lurchers !! What we are saying is they have a "niche" in the working dog world, i.e. rabbiting ! It would be pretty pointless having, say, a Deer x or a saluki x if all you wanted to do was ferreting and a bit of lamping. Some people, like me many years ago, like to race on a weekend and do a bit of mooching, ferreting, and lamping during the week; what better than a Whippet for that ?

 

Cheers.

[KittleRox 2,147]

[Country Joe 1,411]

As the non ped racing whips, are basically bred to get to a to b as quick as possible

How would you find them in the field, they are meant to be faster on the track than a ped,

but ped whippets appear to have good stamina for a whippet, and many have excellent nose,

an important feature for a rabbiting dog.

[birddog 1,354]

As the non ped racing whips, are basically bred to get to a to b as quick as possible

How would you find them in the field, they are meant to be faster on the track than a ped,

but ped whippets appear to have good stamina for a whippet, and many have excellent nose,

an important feature for a rabbiting dog.

if 'a' is by your side and 'b' is the rabbit I think they'd be fine in the field, whip / grey on here rabbits his 5 days most weeks and if he's not racing at the weekends his old man (very old man eh bill) is a gamekeeper up in the glens and he has access to some great hunting land with lots of game and a lack of nose or stamina doesn't seem to be a problem

[Sirius 1,391]

Well you can argue wether a non ped or ped is better for ever . However I would say often that a good ped is a better more robust animal and far better to look at (no thats looks are essential whatsoever) than the equivalent non ped sized animal. They also are generally a far more evenly bred lot (well good ones are)Many non Peds look snipey headed, pricked eared roach backed and often narrow on the chest and leggy, but there is so much variation it's hard to compare IMO. Saying that I can't say I have seen as many non Peds compared to the thousands of kc whippets I have seen over the years.

Edited May 17, 2012 by Sirius

[Phil Lloyd 10,738]

As you say Sirius,..one could argue forever,...and for ever...