genes fact not fiction

[2.8 guy 403]

Hi ive been around running dogs all my life and ive had some fair dogs, ive also had some shite, shite ive bred myself from two good runners.

but is there anyone on here that knows the facts not theory on genes.

I have seen dogs out of the same dog and bitch that have been faster/ slower

some rough some smooth ect

my question is say the dog you have is faster better than your mates dog, out of the same litter if you breed that to another good dog the best in that litter, does the chance of picking a poorer specimen reduce or would this be any ones guess

Is this were line breeding comes in as some factors are doubled ?

Were do throw backs come into it

[rob284 1,682]

When genes are passed on some are dominent (show/are in the dog) and some are recessive(hidden but still there) it only takes two of the same recessive gene, one from each parent to bring out that characteristic. Thats were throwbacks and strange results occur. Line breeding tries to make sure only selected genes are passed on.

[beast 1,884]

thats right, there are never any guarantees but careful breeding from quality stock can help reduce the chances of producing poor specimens. trouble is there is so much crap being bred from unproven stock that its hard to filter out the good stuff! just look on the working dogs page on facebook!!!!!

[Rabbiting man 1,191]

Thats why they say it's better to linebreed

[chartpolski 23,241]

Once you "cross breed", genes go out of the window ! Yes, there is "hybrid vigour", but when you put two different types of dog together, as in Lurchers, you could get anything !

 

Cheers.

[wirral countryman 2,110]

Thats why they say it's better to linebreed

You must also remember that not only are the good genes elevated but also the bad ones,it can be a case of suck it and see ,WM

[paulus 26]

Once you "cross breed", genes go out of the window ! Yes, there is "hybrid vigour", but when you put two different types of dog together, as in Lurchers, you could get anything !

 

Cheers.

cross breeding is a gamble, its like splitting a pack of cards in to piles of 26 and then trowing them on the floor and picking them back up at random, everytime you do it the resulting stack of cards will be different just as every pup will be different, if you get all four aces togeather your onto a winner but if all four two`s end up togeather you get a bag of pants everything else will just be inbetween.

[riohog 5,701]

Hi ive been around running dogs all my life and ive had some fair dogs, ive also had some shite, shite ive bred myself from two good runners.

but is there anyone on here that knows the facts not theory on genes.

I have seen dogs out of the same dog and bitch that have been faster/ slower

some rough some smooth ect

my question is say the dog you have is faster better than your mates dog, out of the same litter if you breed that to another good dog the best in that litter, does the chance of picking a poorer specimen reduce or would this be any ones guess

Is this were line breeding comes in as some factors are doubled ?

Were do throw backs come into it

line breeding nseems to be the way , but,, not many folk keep a full litter of pups ? and once you outcross which eventually you need to do well it could be the majic formula .. or not !!breeding for a type isnt that difficult breeding for overall exellance constantly is a different ball game. ,as has been mentioned socializing ,rearing food enviroment , and the man on the other end of the lead play a massive part in the outcome .

[desertbred 5,490]

Genetics runs throughout the dogs history from year dot to breed a fast dog to a fast bich doesnt mean instant sucess it is the generations that have gone before the confirmation of the dog the rearing the mental stimulation the dog recieves as a pup and in later life all play a part in the attributes a dog may or may not have, no doubt the breeding the true to type line bred stuff plays a part but no dog is perfect irrespective of what some people assume faults or defects can show generations down the line, one can only do the home work and with the right combination of forsight and luck hope to achieve the animal that excells above the ones around it.As said by others the other end of the slip plays a very big part once the paws are on the ground.

[2.8 guy 403]

Thanks, for the informed response, i geuss there's easy genes to work out and then theres the much deeper stuff ie if you wanted a rough dog put a rough coated dog over your bitch, you would get some rough some smooth

then theres the deeper stuff like speed, strike ect

mostly it seems to chance but theres ways of getting the odds in your favoure

my mate who keeps roller pigeons says he can breed a bird for a color, then breed the birds for the roll by careful selection and time

If only dogs was that easy to work out, i hope my next litter turn out well both dogs are out of good lines both different types / breed so its still anyones but i feel the odds are in my favoure this time fingers crossed

[riohog 5,701]

Thanks, for the informed response, i geuss there's easy genes to work out and then theres the much deeper stuff ie if you wanted a rough dog put a rough coated dog over your bitch, you would get some rough some smooth

then theres the deeper stuff like speed, strike ect

mostly it seems to chance but theres ways of getting the odds in your favoure

my mate who keeps roller pigeons says he can breed a bird for a color, then breed the birds for the roll by careful selection and time

If only dogs was that easy to work out, i hope my next litter turn out well both dogs are out of good lines both different types / breed so its still anyones but i feel the odds are in my favoure this time fingers crossed

you will increase your chances by knowing the history of the dogs you mate re, parents ,grandparents ect and be able to determain any faults ,and breed away from them faults as well as keeping strong traits that you desire . just chucking two good dogs together is a lottery . Edited May 13, 2012 by riohog

[paulus 26]

Thanks, for the informed response, i geuss there's easy genes to work out and then theres the much deeper stuff ie if you wanted a rough dog put a rough coated dog over your bitch, you would get some rough some smooth

then theres the deeper stuff like speed, strike ect

mostly it seems to chance but theres ways of getting the odds in your favoure

my mate who keeps roller pigeons says he can breed a bird for a color, then breed the birds for the roll by careful selection and time

If only dogs was that easy to work out, i hope my next litter turn out well both dogs are out of good lines both different types / breed so its still anyones but i feel the odds are in my favoure this time fingers crossed

you will increase your chances by knowing the history of the dogs you mate re, parents ,grandparents ect and be able to determain any faults ,and breed away from them faults as well as keeping strong traits that you desire . just chucking two good dogs together is a lottery .

correct mate breed to correct a fault or add something that is lacking then at worst you will end up with what you already have