FIREARMS LICENCE QUESTION

[Farmingun 0]

Ok contacted BASC today they said the same .22 RF is .22LR and .243 is .243 Winchester, if it was .22 wmr or .243 AI it would specify it on the ticket, Leicestershire Constabulary same answer so there we go.

[Deker 3,478]

On ‎01‎/‎10‎/‎2012 at 19:58, Farmingun said:

Would be interested to know the outcome for this topic as Ive just got my papers through today and it just says .22 RF. I will take it that it was intended to be the .22 RimFire LR but would be interested to know if it would cover the .22 WMR as well.

Sorry, I know this is years on, this question has been asked many times, but a .22WMR is most definitely a .22RF.     This is a slightly different question to the OP and your Region cannot possibly argue that a .22WMR is not a .22RF.   Just the same, you will still need to find a RFD who will sell you a WMR under .22RF, some may want further clarification, but again, nobody can argue that a .22WMR is not a .22RF because it is.

If your region did not want to include WMR in their description they should have been more specific in their designation.

Edit

Further to your contact with BASC and your region they are both wrong, .22RF is NOT .22LR, it is generally taken to mean that, but you could also buy a .22Short, .22Long or any other type of .22RF under that designation.      Calling something .22RF and then saying we mean .22LR is very sloppy, stupid, inaccurate and open to debate, if push came to shove they would lose.   If they ONLY wanted it to cover .22LR they should condition your FAC with .22LR, not .22RF.   

.22RF (RimFire) covers all I have mentioned and NOBODY can show it doesn't!

Edited July 21, 2018 by Deker

[.357shooter 1,207]

well .22 magnum is not allowed when you are in glos.it is not the same and you are not allowed to buy it even though a friend of mine went to 5 gun shops and they all said they would sell him one.the police just told the guy it is not the same even though he said as stated above it is a .22 just as .22lr.lots of heated phone calls/e mails and the police said he had to get a variation to buy a .22magnum on his licence that stated 22rf

[Meece 1,957]

5 hours ago, Deker said:

Sorry, I know this is years on, this question has been asked many times, but a .22WMR is most definitely a .22RF.     This is a slightly different question to the OP and your Region cannot possibly argue that a .22WMR is not a .22RF.   Just the same, you will still need to find a RFD who will sell you a WMR under .22RF, some may want further clarification, but again, nobody can argue that a .22WMR is not a .22RF because it is.

If your region did not want to include WMR in their description they should have been more specific in their designation.

Edit

Further to your contact with BASC and your region they are both wrong, .22RF is NOT .22LR, it is generally taken to mean that, but you could also buy a .22Short, .22Long or any other type of .22RF under that designation.      Calling something .22RF and then saying we mean .22LR is very sloppy, stupid, inaccurate and open to debate, if push came to shove they would lose.   If they ONLY wanted it to cover .22LR they should condition your FAC with .22LR, not .22RF.   

.22RF (RimFire) covers all I have mentioned and NOBODY can show it doesn't!

This answer is spot on. It never ceases to amaze  me how whenever questions like this come up the amount  of people that run scared and always drop to the lowest common  denominator.  This where the whole situation of firearms should be taken away from the police because every force and every  foe sings a different tune. Most havent got a clue. I've had certs that have had to be sent back 3 times for corrections such as missing ammo allocation, weapons that have been sold included on the new cert. Ect, ect. When I first got a 22 centre fire I asked them what to put on the application because I  didn't know what was going to be available in shop. I was told to just put 22 centre fire then when I bought what I wanted and then send the cert in to be amended. So we are talking about a range from 22 hornet through to 220 swift. the cert came through with 22 cf. I went and bought a 223 and then  I did as i was told and sent the cert in to be amended. It wasn't until I went in to buy ammo that the shop wouldnt sell me any even though plod had put the rifle on the cert because the ammo stated 22cf. The shop maintained that 22cf was hornet. I got them to ring up the department and ask the question. The Muppet at the department said that 22cf was hornet. I was well hacked off and got in the car and went to police HQ and had it out with the department there and then. They ammended the 22cf to 223 saying that it was an oversight and that 22cf covered all cals in the 22 bracket !!! Back to the shop to get the 223 ammo. SO, the moral of all of this is, the whole lot is a crock of residue and there are as many interpretations as people. And don't take much notice of what some Muppet at basc says be they arent worth 2 Bob between them. Its a wonder kwiss pacm isnt on the switchboard there handing out advice. Anyone can make a mistake but when you see mistake after mistake and hear all of the nonsense spouted out you think, they ain't got a clue. I can just picture 

Edited July 21, 2018 by Meece

[Alsone 789]

I'd have thought legally you'd be able to buy anything covered by what the licence terms say especially if you didn't request any specific type of .22. That said, I'd check with a legal adviser eg. from a shooting organisation or a specialist firearms lawyer 1st and get the advice in writing so at least if it goes tits up, you can show you sought professional legal advice and were acting in accordance with the advice you received.

 

[Deker 3,478]

On ‎21‎/‎07‎/‎2018 at 16:00, .357shooter said:

well .22 magnum is not allowed when you are in glos.it is not the same and you are not allowed to buy it even though a friend of mine went to 5 gun shops and they all said they would sell him one.the police just told the guy it is not the same even though he said as stated above it is a .22 just as .22lr.lots of heated phone calls/e mails and the police said he had to get a variation to buy a .22magnum on his licence that stated 22rf

The 5 gun shops know more than the Police, the Police are idiots if they say a .22WMR in not a .22RF.    If they meant .22LR why didn't they write .22LR and Not .22RF!?    So, lets assume he quite legitimately bought a WMR from one of the 5 dealers who said no problem, he then advised his region of the purchase, what then?

Sorry, I'm not trying to be controversial, but .22RF is all encompassing and does not simply mean .22LR, are you/they saying he couldn't buy a .22Short under the heading of .22RF and a .22Long under the same heading?

If they meant SOLELY .22LR they should write .22LR.   This is simply another example of a regions incompetence then making it up as they go along as an arse covering exercise, because they are sloppy in the extreme!!

It doesn't matter that Glos say they don't allow .22WMR under .22RF, if someone had the balls to push the point the Police would lose and look stupid!

How could they stand up in any court and say .22WMR isn't a RimFire and we meant .22LR, they would be a laughing stock.

Sorry again, there are a number of threads in existence already covering this specific point, and for reference, I own a WMR bought under a .22RF slot!

Let me also add, I do a lot of work for/with the Police, I have no axe to grind and get on well with them generally, but neither do I have any issue discussing things with them if we don't see eye to eye!

Edited July 22, 2018 by Deker