sandymere 8,263 Posted May 8, 2012 Report Share Posted May 8, 2012 Winstrol (or a very similar steroid) can actually be prescribed by a vet to dogs that suffered from acidosis.. Acidosis effects the muscles and muscle recovery.. Ive heard of Winstrol or Anavar used on dogs with this problem and all were running dogs and suffered no effects of ligament or tendon problems afterwards.. These drugs are low androgenic, high anabolic steroid. Givin in the proper dosage has no side effects.. that makes sense if the dog has ran its back off Anabolic steroids to treat exertional rhabdomyolysis (RMS)! What ever next? The muscle that is lost through what is traditionally termed “a dog running its back off” needs to re-develop through diet and graduated increases of exercise; it needs to be combined with developments to the muscloskeletal and cardiovascular systems rather than developing in isolation. Steroids may encourage muscle growth but it would independent of the rest of the system, ie poorly vasculated. The result would be a dog that has big muscles but not the supporting systems and so would liable to RMS, muscloskeletal injury, heart problems etc etc as soon as it started running again.There’s a difference between a steroid such as prednisone used to reduce an inflammatory response for a limited duration and an anabolic steroid. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TheVerminator 1 Posted May 8, 2012 Report Share Posted May 8, 2012 Winstrol (or a very similar steroid) can actually be prescribed by a vet to dogs that suffered from acidosis.. Acidosis effects the muscles and muscle recovery.. Ive heard of Winstrol or Anavar used on dogs with this problem and all were running dogs and suffered no effects of ligament or tendon problems afterwards.. These drugs are low androgenic, high anabolic steroid. Givin in the proper dosage has no side effects.. that makes sense if the dog has ran its back off Anabolic steroids to treat exertional rhabdomyolysis (RMS)! What ever next? The muscle that is lost through what is traditionally termed “a dog running its back off” needs to re-develop through diet and graduated increases of exercise; it needs to be combined with developments to the muscloskeletal and cardiovascular systems rather than developing in isolation. Steroids may encourage muscle growth but it would independent of the rest of the system, ie poorly vasculated. The result would be a dog that has big muscles but not the supporting systems and so would liable to RMS, muscloskeletal injury, heart problems etc etc as soon as it started running again.There’s a difference between a steroid such as prednisone used to reduce an inflammatory response for a limited duration and an anabolic steroid. you may have to excuse my knowledge of the term name for the drugs as they werent my dogs.. but i think it was anavar 2.5% twice a day (dont know the duration of medication) 2 weeks after the exertion spell. Using them 2 weeks for feeding rice, boiled chicken, veg and grapefruit (vit C).. Sandymere, sound about right? Ive seen the dog and came through this well, came back to the same condition he was in before it happened and went on to work to very good age and had no re occurance of injury.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sandymere 8,263 Posted May 8, 2012 Report Share Posted May 8, 2012 Oxandrolone type steroids will give increased lean muscle mass and in severe injury such a burns, post surgery etc then it’s important to get the lean weight increased quickly. When combined with exercise it will give general improvement to those with a low baseline. But in working dogs there should be a much more balanced system recovery from a higher baseline that includes the whole body ie tendons, bone attachments etc etc so that the new muscle mass is not progressing faster than the rest of the system causing imbalance and injury. Imagine a strong muscle working in a weaker system, if the skeletal/tendon system manages to hold together then without increased blood vessels the muscle will quickly run out of oxygen, without training increased energy storage it will run out of fuel etc and on throughout the whole system. When you go for a natural progression based on exercise you get the development to suit the activity and as the development is whole body you are less likely to get imbalances causing problems later. Like all short cuts to health they rarely work long term. When working with a healthy animal rather then one recovering from illness or injury then steroids will increase muscle mass and cardiac output to a degree, this may enhance performance for those who feel the need bearing in mind the well publicised side effects of these drugs, each to their own. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
robwelsh 354 Posted May 9, 2012 Report Share Posted May 9, 2012 f**k giving dogs steroids lol people can do what they want but a dog can't communicate like humans..just good nutrition, good amount and not to much excersise and ya dogs will be in good shape..as for winstrol (stanazolol) it shuts off your test, anavar doesn't because its very mild..winstrol has a fat burning compound which they don't know how it works..but really its for body builders who need test to retain muscle while dieting before comps without the added water weight off normal steroids give u..thus giving u the lean muscle ripped look...keep eating pork pies lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest born to run1083 Posted May 12, 2012 Report Share Posted May 12, 2012 Winstrol (or a very similar steroid) can actually be prescribed by a vet to dogs that suffered from acidosis.. Acidosis effects the muscles and muscle recovery.. Ive heard of Winstrol or used on dogs with this problem and all were running dogs and suffered no effects of ligament or tendon problems afterwards.. These drugs are low androgenic, high anabolic steroid. Givin in the proper dosage has no side effects.. Aye primobolan depot is the same but never gave it to the dog. Suprising in what the vet actually prescribes half the time alot is steriod based i can understand a vet prescribing steriod for rhabdomolsis but not acidosis, and dog thats suffered from a bout of rhabdomolsis has no back muscles or side muscles left after a few days and takes on a starved appearence. i have a dog that suffered it here 3 weeks ago, ive not gone down the steroid route but did consider it, instead ive opted for the natural way of good food, excercise and time as the season is over. he is about 50% better now. the reason i didnt go for the steroid route is because of the possibility of kidney damage caused by rhabdomolsis, when the muscles break down due to lactic acid and get absorbed into the blood the particles are to large in most cases for the kidneys to filter and so cause the dog extreme pain, simular to kidney stones in humans, the dog will normally just stand still unable to move, mine did for 3 1/2 days. so i believe adding anything other than what is natural is a risk not worth taking. I agree completely mate Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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