Ireland Ballywalter Game and Country Living Fair yesterday Saturday 5th

[bowersey 59]

Same old same old last year Garth's dog this year Kirsty Harper's dog If the dog never won there would not be a word about it .So suck it up folks It is not the first suspect dog and not the last Albert was ask to make desision on if the dog can run or not His word was final The dog can run There is always going to be a (suspect non -ped) Over the years at this game there has always been a suspect non in the back ground . Most of the races here are won by non KC reg at the sporting whippet last meet the two fastest dogs were both un reg dogs That is just how it is . It might help if who bred the winning dogs and if they are KCor non kc as Martin has done he has quite open to breeding of Winnie and Ernie Declaring the breeding.Might help quash any suspecions .

[Carraghs Gem 1,699]

Why not simply have non ped whippet race and a non ped greyhound race ?

 

And kc whippet race where papers are shown?

 

Either that or ditch the whippet racing alltogether

Be no more shite talk about kc whippets being beaten by non peds and we wouldnt have to read pages of this pathetic bitching

[AlbertJ 569]

Why not simply have non ped whippet race and a non ped greyhound race ?

 

And kc whippet race where papers are shown?

 

Either that or ditch the whippet racing alltogether

Be no more shite talk about kc whippets being beaten by non peds and we wouldnt have to read pages of this pathetic bitching

 

CG ,

 

we tried that at Birr last year and there was still bitching from people who hadn't registered their dogs.

[Chid 6,820]

Why not simply have non ped whippet race and a non ped greyhound race ?

 

And kc whippet race where papers are shown?

 

Either that or ditch the whippet racing alltogether

Be no more shite talk about kc whippets being beaten by non peds and we wouldnt have to read pages of this pathetic bitching

 

CG ,

 

we tried that at Birr last year and there was still bitching from people who hadn't registered their dogs.

If people were that keen to race in the whippet class they would pay the 20 odd quid it is to register pups

[bowersey 59]

Why not simply have non ped whippet race and a non ped greyhound race ?

 

And kc whippet race where papers are shown?

 

Either that or ditch the whippet racing alltogether

Be no more shite talk about kc whippets being beaten by non peds and we wouldnt have to read pages of this pathetic bitching

 

CG ,

 

we tried that at Birr last year and there was still bitching from people who hadn't registered their dogs.

If people were that keen to race in the whippet class they would pay the 20 odd quid it is to register pups

I agree the way things are heading it is crazy to buy un kc reg whippet

[winner69 25]

she cant answer the question because every one no's every one in the whippet circle, i have asked her and ask her again, kristy what is the breeding of your dog? who bred him?

[winner69 25]

thank you Kirsty putting for putting the record straight ! people should be careful what they say regarding whose breeding what and flooding the country with mini-greyhounds !!!

 

i`ve never even bred a litter of whippets/lurchers or whatever ! I don`t waste my time or efforts with these micky mouse events !

 

I will be at Shanes Castle with Winnie (Martin Kennys, Murt x Marwood Type) and Ginger Jack (Ningbo Jack x John Carrolls, Ginger), everyone knows them, seen them run, saw and know the parents and have no problem with them !

 

Winnie will be bred to Ernie at the end of the year and that was the reason i bought her, after i saw her win a stake in Enniscorthy last October ! She cost a right few €`s !!!

 

I never made a secret about Ernies breeding (R.Ch Vivs Quest x Sup R.Ch Show Three) it was always other people that had a problem !

 

Regarding DNA for China. I know it was taken by a vet and sent to Weatherbys in the UK for registering. Her father was already registered. However, the people who claimed to have her dam in the UK, refused to get her DNA taken, so that was the end of that !

 

This is my last post regarding anything discussed on here, so don`t expect any comments regarding the above !! Think and say what you like !

martin

if you dont breed whippet lurchers why have you ur dog on done deal at stud !,its a small world there are plenty of ernie whippet lurcher north and south get it straight ernie is not a whippet he is a lurcher ,a whippet with greyhound in him, just like kristys, this makes him a lurcher.

 

.i heard china was out of a pet whippet that sits up watching t.v, then why would you breed it to a champion greyhound.this dont make sence.and if there was nothin to hide why would they refuse dna testing,when one of your pups was doing so well ,i think it was chinas owner tat refused from what i heard. no smoke with out fire. who is chinas mother?

 

as for our 'mickey mouse events' why dont you stay in the south then if are events are to small for ye or go back to england stop telling lies and spoiling the crack for the proper working lurcher folk of ireland!

[BIG G wheton machine 1,594]

Running non-ped whippets and greyhounds at these events is just a joke, what are you achieving??? why not run the dogs at the non-ped meetings or flapping tracks?? i tell you all why, the dogs wouldn't stand a chance. If i ever ran a racing event i would ask to see the pedigree of all the whippets that entered the ped whippet racing, no pedigree then they don't run. You'll always get folk wanting or trying to cheat. But at the end of the day there only cheating themselves.

 

I've seen dogs running at maltby non ped racing club on a saturday and then running in the lurcher racing at a gamefair on a sunday!!!. It's about time it was sorted out, afterall 90% of the racing at gamefairs is advertised as lurcher racing not non ped whippet/greyhound racing.

 

It's the folk who turn up with the true lurchers i feel sorry for...

 

Mally,

 

We have tried to sort this problem out - at fairly great expense I may add - by introducing novice lurcher events to let ordinary guys run without having to meet 'elite' racing dogs. We have also tried KC registered and non ped split - that got criticism because people couldn't afford or be bothered to register their dogs. This time round we had 'Pure Bred' whippets and non ped /Under 21 classes. Still disputes. I really do wonder why I bother.

 

I was asked personally to look at three whippets to rule on whether they were 'pure bred'. It was easy on two - the other I thought marginal on size and shape and made that known to the owner.BUT it could have been just a poor quality show specimen. AND it has been accepted to be shown and raced at the Sporting Whippet Club who are more expert than me and have specialist KC whippet judges. I specialises in judging gundog breeds but have judged whippets in variety classes and for BIS against other breeds. Allegations about who it was bred by have been totally rebutted by the supposed breeder - the owner might add some clarity by saying who it was bought from and who actually did breed it.

 

Unless someone comes forward with ACTUAL information this is my last post on this matter. We had a successful Game Fair which continued on its upward curve since I rescued it three years ago when BASC cancelled their event here. THINK BACK LADS & LADIES TO THE DIFFERENT TREATMENT YOU HAVE HAD AT THIS FAIR SINCE WE TOOK IT OVER.

 

If anyone has a problem with this particular whippet please take it up with the Sporting Whippet Club - don't use this minor problem to attack our much larger Game Fair events. THIS IS A THREAD ABOUT GAME FAIRS of which terrier, whippets and lurchers are just a very small part. AND quite frankly if this sort of nonsense contunues I will stop putting any more investment into these events. I DON'T NEED TO PAY GOOD MONEY TO BE INSULTED.

 

We move forward to our event at SHANES CASTLE which is my 50th fair run over 34 years since I brought the Game Fair concept to Ireland. This is an important event for me and it coincides with the 25th Anniversay of the All Ireland Terrier & Lurcher Championships . With this championship and the Master Mc Grath race and the new Novice Championships, plus the central location we have given them WITHIN the fair, we have demonstrated a massive commitment to Terrier , whippets and lurchers since some people challenged me to bring them up to the level of other events. We get a lot of emails, calls and PMs of support but many people who appreciate what we have done are afraid to come out and face down a few internet 'trolls' who seem to want to bitch about everything and make sweeping criticisms of our whole event because they didn't win a prize. Now is the time for sensible people to come forward publicly. I would make a distinction between these ' trolls' and those who make constructive criticism. As many of you know I have had robust debates on certain issues but we have always tried to address sensible constructive complaints - these are welcome.

 

Because of the constant criticism on this forum my colleagues have suggested that we 'pull the plug' on terrier , lurcher and whippet events and put the money into a major international pedigree dog show and gundog event . AND to be frank I am beginning to think our money might be better spent in this area.

 

It really is up to the genuine terrier, whippet and lurcher folk to come forward to either support what we have done this year or lose it.

 

Albertj

keep er lit albert dont let a FEW trolls put yas off mate the game fairs are good to educate and show the misinformed public the friendly country life ways, and that its not all the lies mr sh1tpot puts on the bbc. us lurcher and terrier folk need the support of the fairs as much as you need us, as for the race cheating just have a class that anything goes so if the owner sticks a dog in a race thats not a coarsing or racing bred dog in then they are at fault for over matching the dog. as for th filth get them to stick a few bets on at the racing and include them on the day and educate them more about the proper ways of hunting life and mayb they would change theyre opinion of us too

[AlbertJ 569]

Running non-ped whippets and greyhounds at these events is just a joke, what are you achieving??? why not run the dogs at the non-ped meetings or flapping tracks?? i tell you all why, the dogs wouldn't stand a chance. If i ever ran a racing event i would ask to see the pedigree of all the whippets that entered the ped whippet racing, no pedigree then they don't run. You'll always get folk wanting or trying to cheat. But at the end of the day there only cheating themselves.

 

I've seen dogs running at maltby non ped racing club on a saturday and then running in the lurcher racing at a gamefair on a sunday!!!. It's about time it was sorted out, afterall 90% of the racing at gamefairs is advertised as lurcher racing not non ped whippet/greyhound racing.

 

It's the folk who turn up with the true lurchers i feel sorry for...

 

Mally,

 

We have tried to sort this problem out - at fairly great expense I may add - by introducing novice lurcher events to let ordinary guys run without having to meet 'elite' racing dogs. We have also tried KC registered and non ped split - that got criticism because people couldn't afford or be bothered to register their dogs. This time round we had 'Pure Bred' whippets and non ped /Under 21 classes. Still disputes. I really do wonder why I bother.

 

I was asked personally to look at three whippets to rule on whether they were 'pure bred'. It was easy on two - the other I thought marginal on size and shape and made that known to the owner.BUT it could have been just a poor quality show specimen. AND it has been accepted to be shown and raced at the Sporting Whippet Club who are more expert than me and have specialist KC whippet judges. I specialises in judging gundog breeds but have judged whippets in variety classes and for BIS against other breeds. Allegations about who it was bred by have been totally rebutted by the supposed breeder - the owner might add some clarity by saying who it was bought from and who actually did breed it.

 

Unless someone comes forward with ACTUAL information this is my last post on this matter. We had a successful Game Fair which continued on its upward curve since I rescued it three years ago when BASC cancelled their event here. THINK BACK LADS & LADIES TO THE DIFFERENT TREATMENT YOU HAVE HAD AT THIS FAIR SINCE WE TOOK IT OVER.

 

If anyone has a problem with this particular whippet please take it up with the Sporting Whippet Club - don't use this minor problem to attack our much larger Game Fair events. THIS IS A THREAD ABOUT GAME FAIRS of which terrier, whippets and lurchers are just a very small part. AND quite frankly if this sort of nonsense contunues I will stop putting any more investment into these events. I DON'T NEED TO PAY GOOD MONEY TO BE INSULTED.

 

We move forward to our event at SHANES CASTLE which is my 50th fair run over 34 years since I brought the Game Fair concept to Ireland. This is an important event for me and it coincides with the 25th Anniversay of the All Ireland Terrier & Lurcher Championships . With this championship and the Master Mc Grath race and the new Novice Championships, plus the central location we have given them WITHIN the fair, we have demonstrated a massive commitment to Terrier , whippets and lurchers since some people challenged me to bring them up to the level of other events. We get a lot of emails, calls and PMs of support but many people who appreciate what we have done are afraid to come out and face down a few internet 'trolls' who seem to want to bitch about everything and make sweeping criticisms of our whole event because they didn't win a prize. Now is the time for sensible people to come forward publicly. I would make a distinction between these ' trolls' and those who make constructive criticism. As many of you know I have had robust debates on certain issues but we have always tried to address sensible constructive complaints - these are welcome.

 

Because of the constant criticism on this forum my colleagues have suggested that we 'pull the plug' on terrier , lurcher and whippet events and put the money into a major international pedigree dog show and gundog event . AND to be frank I am beginning to think our money might be better spent in this area.

 

It really is up to the genuine terrier, whippet and lurcher folk to come forward to either support what we have done this year or lose it.

 

Albertj

keep er lit albert dont let a FEW trolls put yas off mate the game fairs are good to educate and show the misinformed public the friendly country life ways, and that its not all the lies mr sh1tpot puts on the bbc. us lurcher and terrier folk need the support of the fairs as much as you need us, as for the race cheating just have a class that anything goes so if the owner sticks a dog in a race thats not a coarsing or racing bred dog in then they are at fault for over matching the dog. as for th filth get them to stick a few bets on at the racing and include them on the day and educate them more about the proper ways of hunting life and mayb they would change theyre opinion of us too

 

Big G,,

I have admitted that until we had some constructive criticism on the forums I rather left it to the Mid Antrim Club to look after the terriers & lurchers. When the chairman would not come on to defend himself but got someone else to do it I thought I would prefer to see what it was all about myself. For two years I have put a lot of my personal time and effort into promoting the terriers & lurchers AND whippets and to react to constructive criticisms. Had I put as much effort into ANY other area of the fair we would have had compliments not criticism. The same investment made into gundogs would have a massive international event with no hassle!

 

The upside of me getting involved in the terrier & lurchers has been that I have met some great sensible down to earth people who love their sports and had good craic with some who have offered criticism.

 

I think the fairs are the best response to uninformed criticism of country sports and help educate the public in order if they do not become supporters they will remain neutral in any voting against our sports. Fortunately we have also, along the way, with our promotions at Stormont and exposing politicians to our events helped create a supportive or neutral political view of our sports.

 

After 2012 we will still be running Game Fairs but what role the terriers and lurchers have in these are up to them.

 

Albert

[vermin catcher 219]

I was at the fair,i also keep whippets and i go to the whippet shows at Dunsilly and im sure my dogs have raced against some of the questionable dogs in this debate and have been beaten by them. But winning a rosette or trophy is not the end all or be all of a working whippet for me.Hunting ability and doing the business in the field is what counts,my dogs are far from the best in the world but they are a hunting assett to me and i enjoy working them.I can understand other whippet owners getting frustrated by the so called cheats at the fairs but lets face it lads your dog should be for hunting and the fairs a bit of fun with the family if you have one.I find it funny the cheaters go to such lengths for a trophy and in the process make enemies of so many true doggy men,its sad really.And to blame the organizers of Ballywalter is quite easy, but as stated i have seen questionable whippets race against my own dogs at Dunsilly and there are far more accomplished whippet people who specialize in the breed present and its allowed.My missus and she knows fook all about about whippets asked me why our dogs didnt have a lovely feathered fluffy tails like the one standing beside us at Dunsilly the other week! :hmm:Take it on the chin lads cheaters are in every walk of life why should our sport be any different. My dogs put rabbits in the freezer for ferret food rosettes are for a drawer in the kitchen some where Any way me the missus and the kids enjoyed the whole day and it was a credit to the guys running it ,its a thankless task judgeing anything and judges are always non-winnersno matter what

Edited May 8, 2012 by vermin catcher

[mimsyroxy 0]

looking to get some pics of my lurcher in the racing at bw. is derek laverty the man with the pics. if so can someone post a reply. cheers

[lesleyd 24]

looking to get some pics of my lurcher in the racing at bw. is derek laverty the man with the pics. if so can someone post a reply. cheers

 

yes he was there 0n sunday you will find him on facebook dont think he comes on here

[mally 832]

Running non-ped whippets and greyhounds at these events is just a joke, what are you achieving??? why not run the dogs at the non-ped meetings or flapping tracks?? i tell you all why, the dogs wouldn't stand a chance. If i ever ran a racing event i would ask to see the pedigree of all the whippets that entered the ped whippet racing, no pedigree then they don't run. You'll always get folk wanting or trying to cheat. But at the end of the day there only cheating themselves.

 

I've seen dogs running at maltby non ped racing club on a saturday and then running in the lurcher racing at a gamefair on a sunday!!!. It's about time it was sorted out, afterall 90% of the racing at gamefairs is advertised as lurcher racing not non ped whippet/greyhound racing.

 

It's the folk who turn up with the true lurchers i feel sorry for...

 

Mally,

 

We have tried to sort this problem out - at fairly great expense I may add - by introducing novice lurcher events to let ordinary guys run without having to meet 'elite' racing dogs. We have also tried KC registered and non ped split - that got criticism because people couldn't afford or be bothered to register their dogs. This time round we had 'Pure Bred' whippets and non ped /Under 21 classes. Still disputes. I really do wonder why I bother.

 

I was asked personally to look at three whippets to rule on whether they were 'pure bred'. It was easy on two - the other I thought marginal on size and shape and made that known to the owner.BUT it could have been just a poor quality show specimen. AND it has been accepted to be shown and raced at the Sporting Whippet Club who are more expert than me and have specialist KC whippet judges. I specialises in judging gundog breeds but have judged whippets in variety classes and for BIS against other breeds. Allegations about who it was bred by have been totally rebutted by the supposed breeder - the owner might add some clarity by saying who it was bought from and who actually did breed it.

 

Unless someone comes forward with ACTUAL information this is my last post on this matter. We had a successful Game Fair which continued on its upward curve since I rescued it three years ago when BASC cancelled their event here. THINK BACK LADS & LADIES TO THE DIFFERENT TREATMENT YOU HAVE HAD AT THIS FAIR SINCE WE TOOK IT OVER.

 

If anyone has a problem with this particular whippet please take it up with the Sporting Whippet Club - don't use this minor problem to attack our much larger Game Fair events. THIS IS A THREAD ABOUT GAME FAIRS of which terrier, whippets and lurchers are just a very small part. AND quite frankly if this sort of nonsense contunues I will stop putting any more investment into these events. I DON'T NEED TO PAY GOOD MONEY TO BE INSULTED.

 

We move forward to our event at SHANES CASTLE which is my 50th fair run over 34 years since I brought the Game Fair concept to Ireland. This is an important event for me and it coincides with the 25th Anniversay of the All Ireland Terrier & Lurcher Championships . With this championship and the Master Mc Grath race and the new Novice Championships, plus the central location we have given them WITHIN the fair, we have demonstrated a massive commitment to Terrier , whippets and lurchers since some people challenged me to bring them up to the level of other events. We get a lot of emails, calls and PMs of support but many people who appreciate what we have done are afraid to come out and face down a few internet 'trolls' who seem to want to bitch about everything and make sweeping criticisms of our whole event because they didn't win a prize. Now is the time for sensible people to come forward publicly. I would make a distinction between these ' trolls' and those who make constructive criticism. As many of you know I have had robust debates on certain issues but we have always tried to address sensible constructive complaints - these are welcome.

 

Because of the constant criticism on this forum my colleagues have suggested that we 'pull the plug' on terrier , lurcher and whippet events and put the money into a major international pedigree dog show and gundog event . AND to be frank I am beginning to think our money might be better spent in this area.

 

It really is up to the genuine terrier, whippet and lurcher folk to come forward to either support what we have done this year or lose it.

 

Albertj

 

All i would have done is ask for the registered name of the dog, The uk working whippet club have got it right as they ask to see the dogs pedigree before it's even allowed in the showring.

 

Alot of time and effort goes into organising these events and it just takes one cheat to undermine all the hard work. It costs alot of money to attend the gamefairs now with the admission and fuel costs and it goes against the grain when folk don't get a fair crack at the whip. Here in england it's become a joke with the non peds running against the true lurchers and the attendances are suffering at some of the shows.

[bowersey 59]

Who was to take the photos of events? I put Derek's name forward through John Humphries But Albert declined He was there at his own expense and time

Edited May 8, 2012 by bowersey

[AlbertJ 569]

Who was to take the photos of events? I put Derek's name forward through John Humphries But Albert declined He was there at his own expense and time

 

We had our own professional photograher employed. He did take Terrier & lurcher photos as did Deirdre. But obviously our photographer was there to cover the whole fair.

 

Albertj