Help protect shooting and angling by voting NO in web poll

[ConorG 0]

Please show solidarity for country sports and join over 700 shooters and anglers to vote NO in a web poll against proposals to give protectionists the power to ban shooting and angling in every estuary, river and lake in Northern Ireland.

 

BASC and Countryside Alliance are campaigning together to fight these proposals. A strong no vote will help their case.

 

Click on the web link below and vote NO in the web poll

http://www.nimtf.org/

[WILF 48,204]

BASC and CA are not exactly shouting about it from the rooftops are they??.......not seen anything in the angling press??

[kanny 21,087]

i will do it no problem ... but funny how things turn around when the hunting with dogs ban was being pushed here i went round all the angling sites looking for support trying to explain to them that its a slippery slope once one feild sport was abolished more would follow unless we all stood united ... i was basically told to fek of they didnt want there sport associated with ours

[northern lad 2,292]

ive said the very same thing on other threads kanny,simple fact is anglers want nowt to do with us,i hunt and fish and find it frustrating to say the least.its a shame we cant form a united front....then our voices might be heard dave

[Sjt657 191]

I have voted but I agree with the others !!! Just trying to stop the rot now !!

[carpentermark 21]

voted

[barryh11 14]

I have voted no cheers..

[ConorG 0]

The No vote is up from 700 votes on Saturday night to over 1,200 and counting today. the yes votes cant keep pace. We are recouping the lost ground and the No vote now stands at 76%.

 

Thanks for voting and do spread the word amongst your shooting and fishing friends. It would be particularly useful to post on fishing forums of all types that you are members of.

 

Later this week, BASC and Countryside Alliance are scheduled to give evidence to the NI Environment Committee about changing the wording of certain clauses in the draft Marine Bill and this web poll will be referred to so it is crucial that the vote remains firmly in our favour.

[ConorG 0]

Over 2,500 people have now voted no, and the web poll stands at 78% against the Marine Bill. The yes votes are still coming in but the no votes are keeping pace.

 

At 10am tommorow BASC Northern Ireland and Countryside Alliance Ireland will be in Stormont giving evidence to the NI Environment Committee about the Marine Bill. The results of the web poll at 10am will be referred to as part of our evidence in recommending that certain clauses need to be dropped or reworded.

 

Thanks to everyone on the forum that has voted so far and especially to those that passed the message on to others.

 

If you havent already done so please click the link below and vote NO by 10am tommorow.

http://www.nimtf.org/

 

for anyone wishing to find out more background on this issue see the weblink below

http://www.basc.org.uk/en/media/key_issues.cfm/cid/34B7077F-B731-428E-811A942259B3CF82

 

conor

[Pink or stink 162]

You have basicaly visited every forum (hunting/shooting) to get a no vote yet not answered a single question posted in ANY forum as to exactly what is being proposed. In every forum you have been asked exactly what is the concern the BASC have? There is no mention in the bill around any ban of any description. If this is what the Policy Officer of ther BASC is capable of then we have a tough time ahead. If anyone wants to understand my beef just google "Help protect shooting and angling by voting NO in web poll" and see what this guy has done. He's hit every forum yet when the questions have been asked he's gone to ground. For all we know you could be someone stirring things up so it looks like the hunting & shooting fraternity are over-reacting and alienating those that have the power to do exactly what they want.

Edited May 9, 2012 by Pink or stink

[ConorG 0]

sorry if i have missed specific questions, its been a busy time on several other policy issues developing at the same time. links have been available and provided for anyone wanting chapter and verse on the legal side of things, its all on the BASC website, its been on our home page for over around two weeks now - or to go directly to a download of BASC's submission to the Environment Committe http://www.basc.org.uk/download.cfm/docid/1171AF31-A6C2-4938-A7F2907878738C4F

 

if anyone still has a specific issue thereafter can you email me on conor.ogorman@basc.org.uk and we can discuss over the phone perhaps thereafter?

[ConorG 0]

Hopefully this will help address any outstanding concerns. If not, please explain, and I will keep trying…but please do bear with me if there is a day or two gap in my replies.

 

In our written evidence we have outlined various concerns about many different clauses in the Bill. These concerns were outlined in today’s presentation in Stormont.

 

However, in campaigning for a no vote in the web poll the message that people most identified with, and hence the extra 2,000 or so no votes in the space of a few days, was to vote against proposals to give protectionists the power to ban shooting and angling in every estuary, river and lake in Northern Ireland.

 

This campaigning message was with reference to clause 24, which I copy and paste in its entirety from the draft Marine Bill below. As you will see we have been rather reserved in our message, we could have said the power to ban people [ie. clause 24(3)(a)] from entering any area of their choosing [ie. clause 24(2)] in Northern Ireland, whereas we have focused on what's more likely to happen, to ban shooting and angling [ie.clause 24(3)(e)] in any estuary, river and lake in Northern Ireland.

 

Byelaws for protection of MCZs

24.

(1) The Department may make byelaws for the purpose of furthering the

conservation objectives stated for an MCZ.

(2) Byelaws under this section may be made so as to apply to any area in the

Northern Ireland inshore region or in any other part of Northern Ireland.

(3) The provision that may be made by byelaws under this section includes, in

particular, provision—

(a) prohibiting or restricting entry into, or any movement or other activity

within, the MCZ by persons or animals;

(b prohibiting or restricting entry into, or any movement or other activity

within, the MCZ by vessels or (where appropriate) vehicles;

(c restricting the speed at which any vessel may move in the MCZ or in any

specified area outside the MCZ where that movement might hinder the

conservation objectives stated for the MCZ;

(d) prohibiting or restricting the anchoring of any vessel within the MCZ;

(e) prohibiting or restricting the killing, taking, destruction, molestation or

disturbance of animals or plants of any description in the MCZ;

(f) prohibiting or restricting the doing of anything in the MCZ which would

interfere with the sea bed or damage or disturb any object in the MCZ.

(4) The provision that may be made by byelaws under this section also includes

provision prohibiting or restricting entry into, or any movement or other activity

on, any part of the seashore that adjoins the MCZ by persons, animals or vehicles.

(5) Byelaws under this section may provide for the Department to issue permits

authorising anything which would, apart from such a permit, be unlawful under

the byelaws.

(6) The Department may attach to a permit under subsection (5) any condition

which the Department thinks appropriate to attach to that permit.

(7) Byelaws under this section may be made subject to specified exceptions.

( Byelaws under this section may make different provision for different cases,

including (in particular)—

(a) different parts of the MCZ;

(different times of the year;

different means or methods of carrying out any activity.

(9) In this section “specified” means specified in the byelaws.

Edited May 10, 2012 by ConorG

[chester 147]

f**k um they stood by and done f**k all for the dog lads and most would lift a phone and grass if you was walking the land with the dog .

[Tallyho 181]

got to agree with you there chester, when they had the march in london none of the shooting boys from round here could be bothered to go ,and again the lads round here wouldnt have you any where near there permission but would think nothing of staying on there ground and shooting every thing over the fences on others permission so sorry lads wont be getting my support .

[bob.243 9,209]

Voted.