Lab x

[Simoman 110]

mine will be lab greyhound the lab being the sire, so they will be half cross, the dog is two years and is very well mannered and is proving itself in the field ill give it a while longer to make sure then will be on the look out for a greyhound bitch

if i was you i would see if you can get a racing grey hound bitch that has been banned for fighting i have ran alot of them on hare and they wer top class very high prey drive

 

I dont quite see why you link fighting and prey drive? The are mutually exclusive, i would hate a fighter and would never introduce it into any line on purpose.......

[Guest Moscow]

I agree fighters are a nuisance!!!!

[TOMO 26,064]

why put a primarily scent hunting dog into a sighthound breeding :hmm:

Surely you could ask a similar question about the collie but advantages could be good feet and a thicker set leg, temperment, brains and obviously retrieving abilities would be good... A good nose in anyone hunting up could be a serious advantage...

i here you mate BUT maybe be to much nose for lamping etc for a general mooching/bushing dog then yes id say they be top of their game, but as alrounders

 

No nose, no lurcher, it's as simple as that. To say you can have too much nose for lamping is mince and highlights the fact you don't know what your talking about.

A well bred all round lurcher is capable of most tasks and I've seen many excellent hunting lurchers who don't put their noses to the ground when lamping.

read my post properly before you start saying what i do or dont know. i said MAYBE as when would a lamping use its nose???

 

as you say its not common practice for a lamping dog to use its nose,,,,,,,,,however i have let my kelpie cross youse hers to great afect when lamping...eg

 

manys the time i have lamped long grass and the bitch has gone out to the beams end,,,only to go past the rabbit,,at this point a quik whistle has her stopping dead ,,,,knowing theres one close she uses her nose,,, i have cought countless rabbits using this method

[Guest born to run1083]

why put a primarily scent hunting dog into a sighthound breeding :hmm:

Surely you could ask a similar question about the collie but advantages could be good feet and a thicker set leg, temperment, brains and obviously retrieving abilities would be good... A good nose in anyone hunting up could be a serious advantage...

i here you mate BUT maybe be to much nose for lamping etc for a general mooching/bushing dog then yes id say they be top of their game, but as alrounders

 

No nose, no lurcher, it's as simple as that. To say you can have too much nose for lamping is mince and highlights the fact you don't know what your talking about.

A well bred all round lurcher is capable of most tasks and I've seen many excellent hunting lurchers who don't put their noses to the ground when lamping.

read my post properly before you start saying what i do or dont know. i said MAYBE as when would a lamping use its nose???

 

as you say its not common practice for a lamping dog to use its nose,,,,,,,,,however i have let my kelpie cross youse hers to great afect when lamping...eg

 

manys the time i have lamped long grass and the bitch has gone out to the beams end,,,only to go past the rabbit,,at this point a quik whistle has her stopping dead ,,,,knowing theres one close she uses her nose,,, i have cought countless rabbits using this method

My bitch is exactly the same, and most my mates dog I hunt with like it to, as up the mountains we have big patches of reeds and long grass where bunnies lie up at night I use same method to get my bitch on them. I thought it was common on rough ground for dogs to do it this way, tbh its suprising hearing of a few saying it's no good.

[2.8 guy 403]

A two pronged reply, my old dog used to hunt like a spaniel in the day and go strait out and back on the lamp even on a miss, but she would work cover if you sent her in, and i used to send her out then turn the lamp off then flick it back on near the quary some times the thing had moved slightly and she would hunt to find it but just new what was wanted of her

 

secondly i dont like dogs that show aggression towards other dogs its a nightmare, it could be the result of many reason some of which could be the owners fault a nervous dog could show aggression towards others, i would choose the best greyhound i could get my hands on i would consult a expert for this, the saluki greyhound is another train of thought but im not up on them either when i mentioned this before people said a good greyhound is faster however my thinking was i could use a saluki x as a worker and if it was good enough line her with the lab

[BEARINATOR 2,867]

a good greyhound is faster however my thinking was i could use a saluki x as a worker and if it was good enough line her with the lab

 

Nothing a matter with working greys though mate, I'll always have a working grey or 2 kenneled up here

[countrymon 52]

Poacherspocket sorry for not replying to your question sooner. Staminer of my mates half lab cross obviously not up there with the purpose bred

coursing dog,however for a general mouching cur its not half bad,i myself run a whippet cross dog stands 21ins to the shoulder , that suits me for the old ferreting game and when i first started going out with this lab cross we expected it to struggle with the bolters,but its suprisingly agile for its size. Not a fast of the mark as my Dog but i would say more of an allround lurcher than my own. i think it was game keeper bred, from a guy down stafford way, adertistised in the cw a couple of years ago. Dont know if anybody off here also had a pup off this guy?. Countrymon.

[poacher3161 1,766]

A two pronged reply, my old dog used to hunt like a spaniel in the day and go strait out and back on the lamp even on a miss, but she would work cover if you sent her in, and i used to send her out then turn the lamp off then flick it back on near the quary some times the thing had moved slightly and she would hunt to find it but just new what was wanted of her

 

secondly i dont like dogs that show aggression towards other dogs its a nightmare, it could be the result of many reason some of which could be the owners fault a nervous dog could show aggression towards others, i would choose the best greyhound i could get my hands on i would consult a expert for this, the saluki greyhound is another train of thought but im not up on them either when i mentioned this before people said a good greyhound is faster however my thinking was i could use a saluki x as a worker and if it was good enough line her with the lab

I would sooner use a fast type saluki cross instead of a greyhound more chance of the pups having more natrual running ability pluss a saluki hybred cuts the muscle mass down .

[2.8 guy 403]

I did think along them them lines, however i do think the greyhound is the ultimate running dog for some reason thats how i see it , i sappose thats whats been installed from a young age, however its a well known fact of high bred vigoure and the majority of these highbrids are proven in the field

im sure theres pros and cons for both but im not informed enough to comment

[Mustelid 143]

As someone who keeps gundogs and lurchers I've really enjoyed this thread. However.... as I think someone else asked a few pages ago... is anyone thinking of breeding a litter?

[stewie 3,387]

As someone who keeps gundogs and lurchers I've really enjoyed this thread. However.... as I think someone else asked a few pages ago... is anyone thinking of breeding a litter?

lab-tastic is filling his spare rearing sheds with ex racing bitches as we speak

[HALTY LAD 92]

Seen some cracking and varied gundog crosses over the years matey, lab, gwp, gsp, springer and visla, more so the pointer crosses, but I was most taken back with the spaniel lurchers, by they could put some graft in on the hills, and not slow either. I like the lab cross in general, smart racey dogs with tight feet hard coat in general. None of the gundog crosses want for stamina, especially the spaniel type. I was tempted in the past to put one of my deerhounds over a big pointer cross that was a demon at his work, but never did it, in fact ive never bred a litter, I rely on good friends and family to keep our line going, a gritty process that I selfishly have reaped the rewards from, but now and then I wonder that the cross could have been a good choise.

Whoever said why do lurchers need nose..? Feck is it me or do many folk not need their dog to hunt and find game thesedays? A nose is as important for me on a lurcher as it is on any gun dog. Deerhound types are not regarded for having nose but I can tell you that mine have great noses, plus a character that works it cleverly, to their advantage. Did the same poster say lamping would be affected badly if the dog has a good nose? Dont agree at all. Every one of my dogs worth keeping had a good nose, and I lamped with a few of them during the 20 odd years I resorted to lamping to keep the bills payed, if trained well then the nose dosent come into it when lamping. I saw most of the gundog crosses work daytime only, but the ones I went lamping with were good. The springer crosses were very good.

[reddawn 2,173]

Seen some cracking and varied gundog crosses over the years matey, lab, gwp, gsp, springer and visla, more so the pointer crosses, but I was most taken back with the spaniel lurchers, by they could put some graft in on the hills, and not slow either. I like the lab cross in general, smart racey dogs with tight feet hard coat in general. None of the gundog crosses want for stamina, especially the spaniel type. I was tempted in the past to put one of my deerhounds over a big pointer cross that was a demon at his work, but never did it, in fact ive never bred a litter, I rely on good friends and family to keep our line going, a gritty process that I selfishly have reaped the rewards from, but now and then I wonder that the cross could have been a good choise.

Whoever said why do lurchers need nose..? Feck is it me or do many folk not need their dog to hunt and find game thesedays? A nose is as important for me on a lurcher as it is on any gun dog. Deerhound types are not regarded for having nose but I can tell you that mine have great noses, plus a character that works it cleverly, to their advantage. Did the same poster say lamping would be affected badly if the dog has a good nose? Dont agree at all. Every one of my dogs worth keeping had a good nose, and I lamped with a few of them during the 20 odd years I resorted to lamping to keep the bills payed, if trained well then the nose dosent come into it when lamping. I saw most of the gundog crosses work daytime only, but the ones I went lamping with were good. The springer crosses were very good.

 

 

dogs soon learn that daytime is when to use there nose an night time is lamp work, trick is to get them out regular an they soon click, i have a 3/4 grey 1/4 deer hound i know its only a quater, but he has got a very good nose, an uses it well, but never even puts his nose to the ground when out at night

[HALTY LAD 92]

Thats what Im getting at, how folk think that good nose equals bad lamper?, its so far from the truth! I also keep bullgreys which as many who use them properly will know, have phenomenal noses as well as the drive to over ride commands, but still a great many make top lamp dogs.

Anyway, one of the old guys who has the spaniel lurchers is on this site I will drop him a pm. Be good to have some first hand info, as I remember these dogs out-performing mine by a long shot on his ground in Penines in England, though I can safely say I would have equalled the balance if he came up to the Scottish Highlands to my land. Never the less his dogs made a lasting impression with their drive, speed, strike and power, though they were not big or bulky, they were solid yet racey, and around the 25'' mark at a guess. They hunted up and caught everything fur, in their area.

[border lad 1,047]

My dogs must be able to use there nose, hunt a field, and carry back to Hand,especially into days world, if you want to do daylight

hunting, In quick run, and off, but this Saluki bloody x if he does not collect, what he has put up, he ignores all commands, and carries on, Great running dogs, Stamina to burn, quick recovery, they hunt for there selves not the OWNER, AND they have a bad Habit,

off waiting for the Hare to jump into there mouth, Fact,, Andy go find yourself, a proper working Lab, put the best grey, over to suit, and you will not be disappionted, especially for lamping,