feeding time

[Romany 1,065]

ok guys i have a problem at the moment my dogs are getting me up before 7 every single day im not bothered on work days but never get a chance to have a few extra hours at the weekend there wanting there morning feed,i feed twice a day around 7am and the around 4pm as if i fed later they were waking me up for a shit around 2am even though id had them out around 10 to 11pm!!stuck in a [bANNED TEXT] mess its like having kids!!

 

whats best to do feed the very late what do you lads do these 2 are jokers lol

 

Always fed mine late on, just before I went to bed,,always missed a complete day of feeding too, usually a Wednesday..

why do you be skint on a wednesday???... load a balls.... feed the dog seven days a week...do you starve yourself on a wednesday????

 

Im skint every day..

[Lab 10,979]

i feed between 5am and 6am every morning 365 days a year, dogs are a commitment

Thats nonsense mate. They certainly are a commitment but theres no reason to feed at certain times. I feed my dogs when i want to feed them. They are normally fed after a walk around 5-6 but that doesn't mean to say they haven't been fed at 12 in the afternoon or at 10 at night. I'm the boss not them.....

 

 

I agree,I'm sure that if you fed them at exactly the same time every day, you would have howling dogs on your hands.

Mine get fed when it suits me

Of course its up to each and every person as when and what they do with there dogs i just find it alot easier to fit it around a time scale that suits me. The main reason is when you have maybe a wedding, party or most complicated off all a holiday of some sort where you have to organise your dogs to be fed. Imagine phoning your mate and saying "Could you feed my dogs when i'm away.......they get there first feed at 5 mate.." I'd imagine the words F and Off would be combining.............

[Lab 10,979]

ok guys i have a problem at the moment my dogs are getting me up before 7 every single day im not bothered on work days but never get a chance to have a few extra hours at the weekend there wanting there morning feed,i feed twice a day around 7am and the around 4pm as if i fed later they were waking me up for a shit around 2am even though id had them out around 10 to 11pm!!stuck in a [bANNED TEXT] mess its like having kids!!

 

whats best to do feed the very late what do you lads do these 2 are jokers lol

 

Always fed mine late on, just before I went to bed,,always missed a complete day of feeding too, usually a Wednesday..

why do you be skint on a wednesday???... load a balls.... feed the dog seven days a week...do you starve yourself on a wednesday????

I agree with that too. Never understood the reasoning behind it and i've heard a few folk do it?

[stop.end 4,082]

ok guys i have a problem at the moment my dogs are getting me up before 7 every single day im not bothered on work days but never get a chance to have a few extra hours at the weekend there wanting there morning feed,i feed twice a day around 7am and the around 4pm as if i fed later they were waking me up for a shit around 2am even though id had them out around 10 to 11pm!!stuck in a [bANNED TEXT] mess its like having kids!!

 

whats best to do feed the very late what do you lads do these 2 are jokers lol

 

Always fed mine late on, just before I went to bed,,always missed a complete day of feeding too, usually a Wednesday..

why do you be skint on a wednesday???... load a balls.... feed the dog seven days a week...do you starve yourself on a wednesday????

I agree with that too. Never understood the reasoning behind it and i've heard a few folk do it?

exactly lab.... oul hat chat that.... the dog needs fed everyday...imo

[Romany 1,065]

a bit reading for anyone remotely interested, on the benefits of fasting..Juliette de Bairacli Levy..

[Bosun11 537]

Evening feed for me, usualy not long before bed, suits with lamping and settles 'em down for the night, mornings are for a walk to empy out. Fast about once a fortnight.

[Lab 10,979]

found this too, no idea if its wrong or right just a little read................

From the desk of Mogens Eliasen, for immediate release

 

This article may be reprinted without further permission

 

when brought in its entirety, including the bio the end.

 

June 03, 2003

 

Why feeding your dog a consistent diet

 

"on time" is a bad idea…

 

(This article is also available as a simple

 

text file version)

 

Carnivores, like our dogs, are not meant to be fed on time. And they are not

 

built to get the same food every time they eat. They are genetically

 

programmed for

 

variation - both in food composition and feeding time.

 

Unfortunately, our dogs are also very fast to adjust to a regular feeding

 

schedule and to a specific food composition. This can create big trouble

 

when you suddenly start deviating from the well-established schedule. You

 

might see vomiting of bile and other signs of a significant decrease in

 

wellness by simply feeding

 

something different - or feeding at a different

 

time

 

 

.

 

Conditioning to a predictable feeding schedule

 

If you feed your dog every day at, say, 8 PM, then all organs in the body's

 

gastrointestinal system will program themselves to start their parts of the

 

digestion process at 8 PM.

 

Whether or not you feed! (Pavlov's famous

 

experiments about 100 years ago are the classic proof…)

 

So, if you suddenly introduce a fast day in the middle of a long tradition of

 

consistent feeding at predictable times, you are doomed to create a problem

 

for your dog! What should the dog do with all those excess digestive juices

 

produced by the stomach at the programmed time? There is only one way:

 

vomit them out of the system! Those juices contain strong chemicals.

 

Without any food to neutralize them, they can hurt the stomach by starting

 

digestive processes of the stomach tissue!

 

Unfortunately, many people take this kind of observation for proof that it is

 

unhealthy for the dog to have its meals served on different times, not to

 

mention having a healthy fast day... I hope you see why this is a terribly

 

wrong conclusion!

 

Conditioning to a predictable food

 

Many people experience similar problems when they try to get their dog to

 

eat some food it isn't used to. These problems particularly become apparent

 

when you want to shift from kibble feeding to a more healthy raw natural

 

diet.

 

There are many cases of this causing the dog to vomit. And the owner then,

 

naturally, thinks that there is a problem with the raw food…

 

Again: Wrong conclusion.

 

Kibble generally consists primarily of carbohydrates from grain. More than

 

half of the weight is carbohydrates, if not 70% or more. But grain is not

 

even on the menu of a natural diet….

 

Carbohydrates can only be digested in the dog's stomach by enzymes that

 

only function well at pH levels that are close to neutral (pH 6-7) - and thus

 

very far from the very strong acidity (pH 1-2) required by the enzymes that

 

digest raw meat.

 

When a dog has been "programmed" to expect a meal of mainly

 

carbohydrates at, say 8 PM, then the pancreas will produce lots of those

 

enzymes that can do the job of digesting the expected carbohydrates, and

 

the stomach will adjust the pH level to around 6. All of this happening

 

shortly before 8 PM every day….

 

But if you now instead shock the entire system by feeding raw meat instead

 

of the expected carbohydrates, the dog cannot do anything with that great

 

food - everything is programmed now to digest

 

carbohydrates. The enzymes

 

produced by the pancreas and other glands are the wrong ones for this food,

 

and the pH level in the stomach is wrong. The only defense the dog has is to

 

vomit everything and thus eliminate the problem.

 

The culprit is not the food, but the past feeding schedule and biologically

 

inadequate food source.

 

Precautions when planning a shift to a natural diet.

 

Before you pull the dog through this kind of trauma, you should first erase

 

those conditional reflexes the dog has created in response to your unnatural,

 

regular, and predictable feeding.

 

It is simple. You just start varying the times you feed the "old" food. Shift

 

the times by feeding an hour early for a few days. Then two hours early on

 

some days, one hour early on other days, even back to the previous time

 

once in a while - but never the same time two days in a row! In a couple of

 

weeks, you go earlier and earlier - and, at the same time, make the time less

 

and less predictable. If the dog wants to skip a meal, you just let it. Your

 

goal is to feed the dog a maximum of 6 meals per week, at times it has no

 

way of predicting.

 

In the beginning of this transition,

 

you should avoid feeding later than the

 

predicted time

 

 

- because that would cause the dog to experience problems

 

when you don't feed on the expected time…. If the stomach is already full

 

when "feeding time" comes up, there will be no problem.

 

It does not take a lot to erase a conditional reflex like the production of

 

stomach juices on predictable times. If it took you, say, 100 repetitions to

 

establish the conditional reflex, it will only take 2-5 times "breaking the rule"

 

to make it dysfunctional again. So, even if you have had your dog

 

"programmed" over several years, it will not take more than a few days,

 

maximum a week or two, to erase the old harmful conditioning.

 

Once you erased the conditional reflex of the dog's system preparing for a

 

predictable meal, you will no longer experience problems when you shift the

 

diet to a more healthy raw, natural diet. The dog will then no longer produce

 

any enzymes for the expected digestion until the stomach has realized what

 

kind of food it needs to digest - and it will no longer make wrong guesses.

 

Although you might see the dog salivate when exposed to the smell of some

 

delicious food, its stomach should not start producing any production of

 

enzymes for digestion until the food mechanically has passed the esophagus

 

- and if you keep a non-predictable feeding schedule, it will stay that way.

 

The biggest benefit you get will be that the dog will increase its ability to

 

handle the digestion of

 

all kinds of natural food. By not allowing the stomach

 

to "jump the gun" on starting the digestion process before the food actually

 

is available for it, it remains flexible in regards to making the digestion fit the

 

food. And that way, you keep your dog in much better health.

 

Mogens Eliasen

[Tiny 7 1,694]

Well i feed one a week on a sunday cause iam the boss a Lab

Cant see that being a good idea.........

Works for me. there always whineing but dogs will be dogs

[ruby jet 184]

Billy whizz I find gain to be better than the redmills tbh find my dogs on redmills are far to bouncy I mean there off there head on it but put them on the gain and there alot easyer to live with as for feeding them I just leave a bowl of it down at all times it's a 5ltr bowl and I have to fill it every morning I have 3 bitchs kennelled together hope this helps ! Atb rj

[Romany 1,065]

found this too, no idea if its wrong or right just a little read................

From the desk of Mogens Eliasen, for immediate release

 

This article may be reprinted without further permission

 

when brought in its entirety, including the bio the end.

 

June 03, 2003

 

Why feeding your dog a consistent diet

 

"on time" is a bad idea…

 

(This article is also available as a simple

 

text file version)

 

Carnivores, like our dogs, are not meant to be fed on time. And they are not

 

built to get the same food every time they eat. They are genetically

 

programmed for

 

variation - both in food composition and feeding time.

 

Unfortunately, our dogs are also very fast to adjust to a regular feeding

 

schedule and to a specific food composition. This can create big trouble

 

when you suddenly start deviating from the well-established schedule. You

 

might see vomiting of bile and other signs of a significant decrease in

 

wellness by simply feeding

 

something different - or feeding at a different

 

time

 

 

.

 

Conditioning to a predictable feeding schedule

 

If you feed your dog every day at, say, 8 PM, then all organs in the body's

 

gastrointestinal system will program themselves to start their parts of the

 

digestion process at 8 PM.

 

Whether or not you feed! (Pavlov's famous

 

experiments about 100 years ago are the classic proof…)

 

So, if you suddenly introduce a fast day in the middle of a long tradition of

 

consistent feeding at predictable times, you are doomed to create a problem

 

for your dog! What should the dog do with all those excess digestive juices

 

produced by the stomach at the programmed time? There is only one way:

 

vomit them out of the system! Those juices contain strong chemicals.

 

Without any food to neutralize them, they can hurt the stomach by starting

 

digestive processes of the stomach tissue!

 

Unfortunately, many people take this kind of observation for proof that it is

 

unhealthy for the dog to have its meals served on different times, not to

 

mention having a healthy fast day... I hope you see why this is a terribly

 

wrong conclusion!

 

Conditioning to a predictable food

 

Many people experience similar problems when they try to get their dog to

 

eat some food it isn't used to. These problems particularly become apparent

 

when you want to shift from kibble feeding to a more healthy raw natural

 

diet.

 

There are many cases of this causing the dog to vomit. And the owner then,

 

naturally, thinks that there is a problem with the raw food…

 

Again: Wrong conclusion.

 

Kibble generally consists primarily of carbohydrates from grain. More than

 

half of the weight is carbohydrates, if not 70% or more. But grain is not

 

even on the menu of a natural diet….

 

Carbohydrates can only be digested in the dog's stomach by enzymes that

 

only function well at pH levels that are close to neutral (pH 6-7) - and thus

 

very far from the very strong acidity (pH 1-2) required by the enzymes that

 

digest raw meat.

 

When a dog has been "programmed" to expect a meal of mainly

 

carbohydrates at, say 8 PM, then the pancreas will produce lots of those

 

enzymes that can do the job of digesting the expected carbohydrates, and

 

the stomach will adjust the pH level to around 6. All of this happening

 

shortly before 8 PM every day….

 

But if you now instead shock the entire system by feeding raw meat instead

 

of the expected carbohydrates, the dog cannot do anything with that great

 

food - everything is programmed now to digest

 

carbohydrates. The enzymes

 

produced by the pancreas and other glands are the wrong ones for this food,

 

and the pH level in the stomach is wrong. The only defense the dog has is to

 

vomit everything and thus eliminate the problem.

 

The culprit is not the food, but the past feeding schedule and biologically

 

inadequate food source.

 

Precautions when planning a shift to a natural diet.

 

Before you pull the dog through this kind of trauma, you should first erase

 

those conditional reflexes the dog has created in response to your unnatural,

 

regular, and predictable feeding.

 

It is simple. You just start varying the times you feed the "old" food. Shift

 

the times by feeding an hour early for a few days. Then two hours early on

 

some days, one hour early on other days, even back to the previous time

 

once in a while - but never the same time two days in a row! In a couple of

 

weeks, you go earlier and earlier - and, at the same time, make the time less

 

and less predictable. If the dog wants to skip a meal, you just let it. Your

 

goal is to feed the dog a maximum of 6 meals per week, at times it has no

 

way of predicting.

 

In the beginning of this transition,

 

you should avoid feeding later than the

 

predicted time

 

 

- because that would cause the dog to experience problems

 

when you don't feed on the expected time…. If the stomach is already full

 

when "feeding time" comes up, there will be no problem.

 

It does not take a lot to erase a conditional reflex like the production of

 

stomach juices on predictable times. If it took you, say, 100 repetitions to

 

establish the conditional reflex, it will only take 2-5 times "breaking the rule"

 

to make it dysfunctional again. So, even if you have had your dog

 

"programmed" over several years, it will not take more than a few days,

 

maximum a week or two, to erase the old harmful conditioning.

 

Once you erased the conditional reflex of the dog's system preparing for a

 

predictable meal, you will no longer experience problems when you shift the

 

diet to a more healthy raw, natural diet. The dog will then no longer produce

 

any enzymes for the expected digestion until the stomach has realized what

 

kind of food it needs to digest - and it will no longer make wrong guesses.

 

Although you might see the dog salivate when exposed to the smell of some

 

delicious food, its stomach should not start producing any production of

 

enzymes for digestion until the food mechanically has passed the esophagus

 

- and if you keep a non-predictable feeding schedule, it will stay that way.

 

The biggest benefit you get will be that the dog will increase its ability to

 

handle the digestion of

 

all kinds of natural food. By not allowing the stomach

 

to "jump the gun" on starting the digestion process before the food actually

 

is available for it, it remains flexible in regards to making the digestion fit the

 

food. And that way, you keep your dog in much better health.

 

Mogens Eliasen

 

What did we do before the internet..

some good info for the novices there matie

Well done

[Tiny 7 1,694]

Good read Romany.

[paulus 26]

Good read Romany.

never understood a word of it fell asleep from getting up at 5 :laugh:

[Romany 1,065]

Good read Romany.

never understood a word of it fell asleep from getting up at 5 :laugh:

 

There is a great deal of difference between an eager man who wants to read a book and a tired man who wants a book to read

[paulus 26]

Good read Romany.

never understood a word of it fell asleep from getting up at 5 :laugh:

 

There is a great deal of difference between an eager man who wants to read a book and a tired man who wants a book to read

ok grasshopper :laugh:

[billy whizz 141]

Billy whizz I find gain to be better than the redmills tbh find my dogs on redmills are far to bouncy I mean there off there head on it but put them on the gain and there alot easyer to live with as for feeding them I just leave a bowl of it down at all times it's a 5ltr bowl and I have to fill it every morning I have 3 bitchs kennelled together hope this helps ! Atb rj

 

thanks yeah i read about the redmills doing that to other dogs,i cant leave food down like that all day my AB will eat and eat,but even he isnt keen on the gain so back to skinners i go.i started to feed then when i seen a few alaunts on here was feeding this and looked well.never mind lol