WILF 47,213 Posted April 21, 2012 Report Share Posted April 21, 2012 It's the same for everyone, bankers included......so I ask again, why don't we take more of your wages in tax? Why should you or anyone else pay less than a banker......or a doctor......or a security guard If anyone can give me a logical explanation as to why people who earn above a certain amount of money should pay more than anyone else in tax or have a higher tax rate then I would very much like to hear it. And none of this " they can afford it" nonsense......that's got nothing to do with logic! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
twobob 1,497 Posted April 22, 2012 Report Share Posted April 22, 2012 It's the same for everyone, bankers included......so I ask again, why don't we take more of your wages in tax? Why should you or anyone else pay less than a banker......or a doctor......or a security guard If anyone can give me a logical explanation as to why people who earn above a certain amount of money should pay more than anyone else in tax or have a higher tax rate then I would very much like to hear it. And none of this " they can afford it" nonsense......that's got nothing to do with logic! No you got me on that one,you do seem to contradict yourself wilf unions shouldnt be payed more than thier members,but its ok to pay bankers millions in bonuses,surely they should get the same as the cashiers in the world acording to wilf Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mattydski 560 Posted April 22, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 22, 2012 Interesting points of view... From my observation.... A few years ago, unions forced our business to recognise them, told the staff how hard done by they were, accused us of victorian principals etc..etc.. So, the workforce balloted and the required percentage achieved in order to make us recognise the union... The members then paid tier union fees.....and I swear to god.... that was the last time anyone heard from the union... money paid... no representation lol All the members have since realised, the union offered no advantage over decent communication with the management team. A few years ago, Dundee was to get a car factory... From memory it was Nissan.... The unions got involved, and made their demands, .... car company went elsewhere.... and Trust me Dundee needs Investment.. I understand they also were responsible for Timex leaving Dundee... The amount of stories I read about corrupt union officials..and .. People not being allowed to multi task...because its 'not your job' etc...etc... Just boils my piss.... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
twobob 1,497 Posted April 22, 2012 Report Share Posted April 22, 2012 Interesting points of view... From my observation.... A few years ago, unions forced our business to recognise them, told the staff how hard done by they were, accused us of victorian principals etc..etc.. So, the workforce balloted and the required percentage achieved in order to make us recognise the union... The members then paid tier union fees.....and I swear to god.... that was the last time anyone heard from the union... money paid... no representation lol All the members have since realised, the union offered no advantage over decent communication with the management team. A few years ago, Dundee was to get a car factory... From memory it was Nissan.... The unions got involved, and made their demands, .... car company went elsewhere.... and Trust me Dundee needs Investment.. I understand they also were responsible for Timex leaving Dundee... The amount of stories I read about corrupt union officials..and .. People not being allowed to multi task...because its 'not your job' etc...etc... Just boils my piss.... some fare points mattydski,it works the other way too,just before christmas i got layed off , worked for this demolition firm 8/9 yr on and off most of it as a suby,worked for them directley last 2 yr i was carrying a tirfor the rope caught under a herras fence block and twisted my back i dropped the block off my shoulder and couldnt stand up,went to the doctors he gave me a note for six wk(2nd time on the sick in 32yr)phoned the boss to tell him i was available he said the was no work,ten minutes earlier one of the lads i worked with phoned to see when i was back as they were flat out and needed me back.The week before i did my back i was on a jack hammer 8hours aday should only do 45mins ashift on them, the other gang he sent were young lads and the jack hammer was too heavy and the brickwork too hard it had to be done so i did it.I didnt realise going off sick was a laying off offence Quote Link to post Share on other sites
poacher3161 1,766 Posted April 22, 2012 Report Share Posted April 22, 2012 Interesting points of view... From my observation.... A few years ago, unions forced our business to recognise them, told the staff how hard done by they were, accused us of victorian principals etc..etc.. So, the workforce balloted and the required percentage achieved in order to make us recognise the union... The members then paid tier union fees.....and I swear to god.... that was the last time anyone heard from the union... money paid... no representation lol All the members have since realised, the union offered no advantage over decent communication with the management team. A few years ago, Dundee was to get a car factory... From memory it was Nissan.... The unions got involved, and made their demands, .... car company went elsewhere.... and Trust me Dundee needs Investment.. I understand they also were responsible for Timex leaving Dundee... The amount of stories I read about corrupt union officials..and .. People not being allowed to multi task...because its 'not your job' etc...etc... Just boils my piss.... No need for unions if the manegement are fair with the workforce and tbh my exsperience with a big union like unite all their intrested in is getting your money to prop up new labour.I was a member of the n.u.m for a number years despite peoples thoughts on the 84-85 strike this union did hell of a lot for injured miners and widows of men killed in the pits and the pension fund we paid into has helped a lot of people who worked in the industry. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mattydski 560 Posted April 22, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 22, 2012 i think the principal of a union. if it were used in the correct contex, could be good.... but i think they are just like any other political party... in it for their own interests.. I agree, if the workforce are ill treated, with a poor management team, and the union are there for the right unions.... no problem... convince me if you see it differently....i am open to opinions and experiences. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 47,213 Posted April 23, 2012 Report Share Posted April 23, 2012 No need for unions if the manegement are fair with the workforce and tbh my exsperience with a big union like unite all their intrested in is getting your money to prop up new labour.I was a member of the n.u.m for a number years despite peoples thoughts on the 84-85 strike this union did hell of a lot for injured miners and widows of men killed in the pits and the pension fund we paid into has helped a lot of people who worked in the industry. What a refereshing intelligent response from what I would consider the political "other side of the fence" Interesting to hear about the positive side to the num, one that I will admit I was not aware of Quote Link to post Share on other sites
foxfan 479 Posted April 23, 2012 Report Share Posted April 23, 2012 It's the same for everyone, bankers included......so I ask again, why don't we take more of your wages in tax? Why should you or anyone else pay less than a banker......or a doctor......or a security guard If anyone can give me a logical explanation as to why people who earn above a certain amount of money should pay more than anyone else in tax or have a higher tax rate then I would very much like to hear it. And none of this " they can afford it" nonsense......that's got nothing to do with logic! When you talk about the top earners, it may seem that they are taxed at a higher rate but because of the amount of money involved they are able to shuffle their earnings around so they end up paying LESS tax than joe bloggs. Bankers pay structure is bonus related simply to avoid tax, etc etc . . . . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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