Debate topic- Have unions ruined British industry?

[twobob 1,497]

Not the only reson but they certainly don't like mucking in when the chips are down, this country was completely down the khazi in the 70s when they were at the height of their power and all the leaders wanted was power under the guise of sticking up for " the worker"

 

I have no doubt that the vast majority of union members are genuinely sticking up for an ideal, trouble is they are pawns in the power game of their socialist union leaders......let me tell you lads, Scargill and his kind could not and do not give a flying f**k about your ideals.

I know my lot don't care about me, so I am under no illusion.

 

If union leaders were bang on genuine, they would only earn the average wage same as their members instead of the vast sums they take from your union dues at the moment.

 

Everyone is equal, but some are more equal than others huh?

Wilf spoken like a true socialist

[mattydski 560]

I think unions are businesses themselves..out to make profits.. i think they have contributed to the demise of British Industry.. The more I read about them..the more it frustrates me.. That's not to say all union members are of the same opinion though..

It frustrates me more seeing employment agencys and set ups like A4E who have got millions in goverment contracts takeing the piss out of people who just want to put a pair of work boots on and do an honest days graft more than any union .Its human nature that lets us all down in the long run thats the conclusion i have come to over the years.

Agreed, you will no argument from me there.. Quite frankly as much use as a chocolate fireguard..

[Moe 108]

Not the only reson but they certainly don't like mucking in when the chips are down, this country was completely down the khazi in the 70s when they were at the height of their power and all the leaders wanted was power under the guise of sticking up for " the worker"

 

I have no doubt that the vast majority of union members are genuinely sticking up for an ideal, trouble is they are pawns in the power game of their socialist union leaders......let me tell you lads, Scargill and his kind could not and do not give a flying f**k about your ideals.

I know my lot don't care about me, so I am under no illusion.

 

If union leaders were bang on genuine, they would only earn the average wage same as their members instead of the vast sums they take from your union dues at the moment.

 

Everyone is equal, but some are more equal than others huh?

and if the rest of the country .had come out with the miners .we wouldnt be in the shit we are now .once thatcher and that yank she brought in starved the miners out .we were f****d first went the family silver .privatisation brought about massive increases in living costs .all the industry as we knew it in this country was sold down the river . local communitys died a death .politicians and bankers made millions at our expense and all the work in this country now is being taken up by foreigners who are being employed through agencys being run by foreigners .if the unions of old were around now this wouldnt be happening nor would we be rotting away and losing our identity to the eu .since thatcher broke the unions cos only scargill and the miners come out .this countrys gone further and further down the toilet

totaly agree imo if the rest had backed them up it would be a better stronger country today.

[undisputed 1,664]

Not the only reson but they certainly don't like mucking in when the chips are down, this country was completely down the khazi in the 70s when they were at the height of their power and all the leaders wanted was power under the guise of sticking up for " the worker"

 

I have no doubt that the vast majority of union members are genuinely sticking up for an ideal, trouble is they are pawns in the power game of their socialist union leaders......let me tell you lads, Scargill and his kind could not and do not give a flying f**k about your ideals.

I know my lot don't care about me, so I am under no illusion.

 

If union leaders were bang on genuine, they would only earn the average wage same as their members instead of the vast sums they take from your union dues at the moment.

 

Everyone is equal, but some are more equal than others huh?

 

If the Government wanted equality they'd be on an average wage....not that they need the money with the majority of them being millioniares.....Governments don't want equality....it's devide and conquer they prefer.....I take it your all for equality Wilfster and pay all your staff the same as yourself

[just jack 998]

if you worked for your local council in a job your on with a winner

[WILF 46,811]

Not the only reson but they certainly don't like mucking in when the chips are down, this country was completely down the khazi in the 70s when they were at the height of their power and all the leaders wanted was power under the guise of sticking up for " the worker"

 

I have no doubt that the vast majority of union members are genuinely sticking up for an ideal, trouble is they are pawns in the power game of their socialist union leaders......let me tell you lads, Scargill and his kind could not and do not give a flying f**k about your ideals.

I know my lot don't care about me, so I am under no illusion.

 

If union leaders were bang on genuine, they would only earn the average wage same as their members instead of the vast sums they take from your union dues at the moment.

 

Everyone is equal, but some are more equal than others huh?

 

If the Government wanted equality they'd be on an average wage....not that they need the money with the majority of them being millioniares.....Governments don't want equality....it's devide and conquer they prefer.....I take it your all for equality Wilfster and pay all your staff the same as yourself

 

Don't be daft, of course I don't.....when I work for them, then they can pay themselves what they like.

But then again, I ain't walking about like the likes of Len McClusky spouting socialist bullshit while paying myself £100k a year am I?

I don't want equality either, if a bloke works hard and takes a few chances in life why should some other twat come along and " redistribute" his hard earned money?........

If your neighbours in your street decide that you have a better house than them, should they have the right to come round and help themselves to the contents of your shed and freezer?".........no different mate!

[poacher3161 1,766]

Wats your thoughts on people like Emma Harrison who has been awarded millions in goverment contracts paid by the tax payer to set these mickey mouse job helping companys up.

[WILF 46,811]

More power to her elbow I say........

[poacher3161 1,766]

More power to her elbow I say........

Tax payers money though.

[twobob 1,497]

Not the only reson but they certainly don't like mucking in when the chips are down, this country was completely down the khazi in the 70s when they were at the height of their power and all the leaders wanted was power under the guise of sticking up for " the worker"

 

I have no doubt that the vast majority of union members are genuinely sticking up for an ideal, trouble is they are pawns in the power game of their socialist union leaders......let me tell you lads, Scargill and his kind could not and do not give a flying f**k about your ideals.

I know my lot don't care about me, so I am under no illusion.

 

If union leaders were bang on genuine, they would only earn the average wage same as their members instead of the vast sums they take from your union dues at the moment.

 

Everyone is equal, but some are more equal than others huh?

 

If the Government wanted equality they'd be on an average wage....not that they need the money with the majority of them being millioniares.....Governments don't want equality....it's devide and conquer they prefer.....I take it your all for equality Wilfster and pay all your staff the same as yourself

 

Don't be daft, of course I don't.....when I work for them, then they can pay themselves what they like.

But then again, I ain't walking about like the likes of Len McClusky spouting socialist bullshit while paying myself £100k a year am I?

I don't want equality either, if a bloke works hard and takes a few chances in life why should some other twat come along and " redistribute" his hard earned money?........

If your neighbours in your street decide that you have a better house than them, should they have the right to come round and help themselves to the contents of your shed and freezer?".........no different mate!

So its only the num leadership that should have been payed the same as its members?are you sure your not getting mixed up with udm set up by the torys,they were on 150k ayear and stole another 150k froma miners charity .

Edited April 17, 2012 by twobob

[redjimp 8]

Greedy bosses and Thatcher ruined british industry . the Germans have a well unionised industrial sector but are one of the powerhouses of the world , they invested longterm in high tech machinery and training and stayed competative with low price imports by being better quality . Our greedy bosses on the other hand prefered to keep the books (and there bonuses) looking cash rich by leaving our workforce using victorian machinery and work practices , so instead of a gradual changeover to high tech our industry workers were left hopelessly behind the times . Privatisation was another disaster , it didnt have to fail but in a time when 'greed was good' noone was looking out for the worker or the consumer , Can anyone say a single privatised industry is better than it was ,remember the slagging off the railways or bt used to get but there level of service was way higher than now . The tired old rhetoric of the unions ruinning British industry belongs back in the fifties on the propaganda films that were fed to people in the cinema to keep us doffing our caps to the laird

[twobob 1,497]

Greedy bosses and Thatcher ruined british industry . the Germans have a well unionised industrial sector but are one of the powerhouses of the world , they invested longterm in high tech machinery and training and stayed competative with low price imports by being better quality . Our greedy bosses on the other hand prefered to keep the books (and there bonuses) looking cash rich by leaving our workforce using victorian machinery and work practices , so instead of a gradual changeover to high tech our industry workers were left hopelessly behind the times . Privatisation was another disaster , it didnt have to fail but in a time when 'greed was good' noone was looking out for the worker or the consumer , Can anyone say a single privatised industry is better than it was ,remember the slagging off the railways or bt used to get but there level of service was way higher than now . The tired old rhetoric of the unions ruinning British industry belongs back in the fifties on the propaganda films that were fed to people in the cinema to keep us doffing our caps to the laird

Spot on that

[WILF 46,811]

One word......Cuba

 

The socialist/communist model just does not work.....it's been proven time and again and yet folk still believe in it, mental!

[PeakOil 352]

Wats your thoughts on people like Emma Harrison who has been awarded millions in goverment contracts paid by the tax payer to set these mickey mouse job helping companys up.

 

From what I have read about the going on at A4e it sounded a lot like fraud. Emma Harrison should be in prison with Fred Goodwin & Adam Applegarth to name two other wealthy. well connected fraudsters.

[PeakOil 352]

There are a whole host of reasons why British Industry suffered decades of decline. To lay the blame squarely at the door of unions strikes me as somewhat short sighted. The cost of putting a roof over your head in the UK is astronomical compared with the vast majority of the planet, it makes the UK uncompetitive. The high cost of housing enriches bankers and big landowners while being an ever increasing drain on the pockets of many.

 

The cost of buying land and obtaining planning permission to build your premises on is astronomical, it now takes us longer to get planning permission than it does to build industrial units at work. A project in Germany can be completed in 6/7 months, a similar project in the UK is anywhere between 12 - 14 months.