Debate topic- Have unions ruined British industry?

[mattydski 560]

Quite simply, do you think unions have helped or ruined British Industry.?

[Guest thebigdog]

big industry before unions, shit industry with unions but shit pay with out unions, good pay with swings and roundabouts

[events co-ordinator 353]

Lack of investment ruined British industry

[scothunter 12,609]

Certainly contributed to its demise

[poacher3161 1,766]

No .

[hedz31 1,308]

no cheaper import's runied alot of industry especialy in the steel and coal mineing industry

[WILF 46,811]

Not the only reson but they certainly don't like mucking in when the chips are down, this country was completely down the khazi in the 70s when they were at the height of their power and all the leaders wanted was power under the guise of sticking up for " the worker"

 

I have no doubt that the vast majority of union members are genuinely sticking up for an ideal, trouble is they are pawns in the power game of their socialist union leaders......let me tell you lads, Scargill and his kind could not and do not give a flying f**k about your ideals.

I know my lot don't care about me, so I am under no illusion.

 

If union leaders were bang on genuine, they would only earn the average wage same as their members instead of the vast sums they take from your union dues at the moment.

 

Everyone is equal, but some are more equal than others huh?

[Nik_B 3,790]

You've got two choices. Let wages fall to keep up competitiveness or have our industry produce something those other countries cannot I'm thinking new or modern inventions.

[Malt 379]

I don't think they ruined our industry, but at the same time the men at the top often lost sight of the important issues IMO. The unions were nothing but a force for good when you look back at the horrific and dangerous conditions that workers had to endure before they existed.

[The Seeker 3,048]

Yes they were created to improve safety and the conditions for the working man which the did admirably, then they let power go to their heads

 

Remember the 70's? "All out!" what a joke.

[neil82 1,080]

unions certainly killed off the british car industry, most of my memories of the `70`s were leyland being out on strike nearly every week, and because the workers were being paid what would be a good wage even in this day they never had any money to invest in new models, even the ital was only a rebodied mgb, god they made some crap cars

[lost scouse 46]

are you talking modern day union or the likes of the tolpuddle martyrs who were for the people

[mattydski 560]

I think unions are businesses themselves..out to make profits.. i think they have contributed to the demise of British Industry.. The more I read about them..the more it frustrates me.. That's not to say all union members are of the same opinion though..

[poacher3161 1,766]

I think unions are businesses themselves..out to make profits.. i think they have contributed to the demise of British Industry.. The more I read about them..the more it frustrates me.. That's not to say all union members are of the same opinion though..

It frustrates me more seeing employment agencys and set ups like A4E who have got millions in goverment contracts takeing the piss out of people who just want to put a pair of work boots on and do an honest days graft more than any union .Its human nature that lets us all down in the long run thats the conclusion i have come to over the years.

[brookie 1,193]

Not the only reson but they certainly don't like mucking in when the chips are down, this country was completely down the khazi in the 70s when they were at the height of their power and all the leaders wanted was power under the guise of sticking up for " the worker"

 

I have no doubt that the vast majority of union members are genuinely sticking up for an ideal, trouble is they are pawns in the power game of their socialist union leaders......let me tell you lads, Scargill and his kind could not and do not give a flying f**k about your ideals.

I know my lot don't care about me, so I am under no illusion.

 

If union leaders were bang on genuine, they would only earn the average wage same as their members instead of the vast sums they take from your union dues at the moment.

 

Everyone is equal, but some are more equal than others huh?

and if the rest of the country .had come out with the miners .we wouldnt be in the shit we are now .once thatcher and that yank she brought in starved the miners out .we were f****d first went the family silver .privatisation brought about massive increases in living costs .all the industry as we knew it in this country was sold down the river . local communitys died a death .politicians and bankers made millions at our expense and all the work in this country now is being taken up by foreigners who are being employed through agencys being run by foreigners .if the unions of old were around now this wouldnt be happening nor would we be rotting away and losing our identity to the eu .since thatcher broke the unions cos only scargill and the miners come out .this countrys gone further and further down the toilet