spayed or de-bollock!

[Guest Ditch_Shitter]

Moll; The vast majority of my initial post was me telling a story, love. Ye know me and ye know how I compose my Posts. I try to inject a bit of 'value for money' into any fora I inhabit

 

Where I made a statement, it was a statement based on historical ~ and / or present day ~ facts as known to me. I've lived it and was relating it. As for " Talking Crap "? I made a little vow with myself, some time before ever Registering on this very forum: ' I won't talk any crap. '. Dig through my past posts and ye'd find I actually include " Armchair Theorising Warning! " in the odd one. That's to show I'm about to say something about something which I have absolutely no prior experiance or proper knowledge of. It may then border on Bullshit, but I admit and warn the reader against it. I actually remember popping that into some post I made only last night, as it happens. And that's why I'm even now being piss taken mercilessly for my utter and abject failure to get a minks tail for my hat band: Because I'm crap at catching mink and admit it to the world on here!

 

 

That said, My method of dealing with Dogs, bitches, seasons etc. is simply the way I've been brought up to. My Dad had control of a Dog or two in his time. My Mum used to breed pedigree things. My Uncle too has spent a bit of time around Dogs. These people taught me how to avoid the exact sort of horror that Paul there is trying to find a way around. I offered my own way. I was Not talking " Crap ".

 

Anyway, just to show what a straight up little Ditch Shitter I can be, here comes a Link. You seem more concerned with medical matters than simple (unwanted) puppy prevention? Okie dokie. Well I haven't even looked at what's on this PDF myself ~ another little 'warning' there then. But I noticed it posted on a pure Dogs forum the other day. The ensuing discussions about it suggest to me that it's probably more neutral and scientifically based? I'm only putting it up for anyone who's interested's benefit. Please don't come looking to shoot me if it doesn't appeal to the readers senses of what's right or wrong. Like I say; I haven't even read it. It just sounds like it may be a fair appraisal of the issues which probably concern yeself more than me.

 

 

* Long Term Health Effects Of Spay Neuter In Dogs *

 

Hope ye enjoy the read, any who choose to pursue it

[heart of wales 19]

I once had a pair of working blue roan cocker spaniels one of which was a bitch,she worked like a demon you could not ask for more out of a dog.

Bred her several times over the years four litters in total,after some peer presure was persuaded stupidly to have her spayed,she died after having come out of the anesthesia,worst decision I ever made reguarding a dog in my life.

I kennel all my bitches and dogs seperate I am fortunate or a good planner to have the kennel space to do this.

This is just my humble opinion but I dont tend to mess with things that I would not want messed with

[lampinglurcher 36]

both of you; mr shitter and ms bitch have valid points. i think that something has been lost in translation here.

 

LB, you have dealt and rescued dogs on a daily basis, no? all of whom would not have suffered or been abandoned etc had their parents' owners had them done. i take it that your view on this is that many, many dogs have suffered because of owners not getting their pets done and this is definately cruelty. i see your point and its a goodun. i think what you missed in DS's point was that we are talking about these dogs being in a stable, supported home situation with a responsible owner.

 

DS, i believe what ou're saying is also a very valid point, but we're talking about different circumstances. i pressume you were talking about an owner who can seperate dogs, knows how to deal with dogs, is a responsible and loving owner and would never consider abandoning a dog. i agree with you in this situation, perhaps not quite so extremely but nevertheless would agree with you.

 

see the difference? on one hand we have a secure, loving environment(in this one i would say dont neuter) and on the other we have neglected animals in pain and misery because pets werent given the chop.

 

lets play nicely from now on eh people?

[Ossie 11]

springer x lurcher? my dream dog

 

but anyways... it may seem like hassle, but seperating the dogs isn't really that hard. and it doesn't meant they can't spend some time together, you just have to keep a close eye on them. my dad has never had a dog neutered or a bitch spayed, and barring that one little slip-up when our saluki x grey got to mums beddy/whippet x grey (we hadn't noticed she was just coming into season), in 30-odd years, he's had no accidents. although we did have a JR dog make an attempt on a 26" lurcher bitch. which was rather entertaining to watch

dad has a few lurchers (2 dogs, 1 bitch), and a few terriers (1 dog, 2 bitches). so when the bitches aren't in season, all of them are exercised on the meadow together. when the bitches are in season, they get exercised seperately from the dogs. it's not rocket science, and it works. the dogs & bitches are kenneled seperately all year round.

i currently have a dog, but i'd like the next mutt to be a bitch. when she's in season? simple. when i'm out, i'll shut them in different rooms. unless i can take the dog with me. when i'm home? watch them. if i have to leave the room? take one of them with me. when i can't watch them (i.e. when i'm asleep)? chain them to different ends of the bed!

[dickyboy 1]

So lampinglurcher and DS what about mine........had my male done at just a year for reasons threefold, and having him done has cured or should prevent the outcomes that were inevitable

 

1 He had a retained testicle therefore breeding not viable as it is hereditory and can cause cancer, i don't want that so i do what i can to prevent it

2 he was a fighter , no male dog could look at him for more than a second with out him flying at it, made working and exercising him hard work(ask paid off here, he saw what he was like)

3 he liked to persue bitches he never even met a bitch in heat but he loved persuing little girls and would ignore me for them!!!

 

Point 2 and 3 have been cured and hopefully point 1 should be prevented....i wish i could have waited as the extra testosterone would have helped him mature faster but he'll get there, there was no way i could put up with his aggression

 

I think it stabilises dogs and bitches and unless thought of breeding good outways the bad!! I do help look after a kennel full of labs 5 of them and there all nice except one who likes a bit of a rumble with big dogs, this one i'd have done

 

 

so to answer the original question with my opinion i would wait untill both are fully mature by seperating them and then if the male is not shaping up the way i want him to at 18months or so i would have him done, but be warned this can make them nicer and therefore live to regret the decision but it was the right one if you made it!! And the same from her if your not breeding then have her done, seasons can be hard for a bitch and these can be twice or three times a year for 8-15 years so i think the two week recovery does not outway this!!

[FastDogz 155]

Dickyboy!

 

Yep im pro neutering too Always have had ours spayed or castrated.Wudnt be able to cope with an unwanted/unplanned litter then having to rehome the pups not knowing whats to become of them for the rest of there days Nah id rarther be safe than sorry - you can seperate dogs and bitches until the cows come home but everyone know as there as been a few cases on here accidental matings can and do happen!!

 

If in doubt - whip them out (off)

 

Also castrating/spaying can prevent testical cancer/prostate cancer/mammery cancers and pymometer in unspayed bitches.

 

As for affecting there working ability i have never heard a case of this (though i could be wrong) the only diffrence may be that your dog/bitch puts on a bit of weight but of course with a proper diet and exercise it can be prevented :thumbs-up:

[lampinglurcher 36]

Dickyboy; i agree with your descision in this circumstance as it was necessary for the dogs health and wellbeing, not just your convinience. it can stabilise temeraments and calm aggresive dogs down but it does have its downsides which im sure you know already. if you dont want to breed or theyre no good working then its worth considering. in fairness though as far as ive seen it usually does affect working ability, ie lowering drive, but this isnt always the case, im sure with the right encouragement a neutered pup will be a fine worker.

[dickyboy 1]

yep def no lack of drive here!! boy does he go! although for killing any wounded foxes of mine i think bollocks would have helped bring him on for the kill....he is just starting to get it by himself so didn't really mature in his second year but starting to get there now

 

but to be able to walk through a crowded beach or park knowing he won't start the fight but will finish anything started is a great comfort.....at least i'm not to blame!!!