lurcher and terrier kennelled together

[GrCh 856]

Never had a problem with terrier or lurcher kenneled together or 2 lurcher's together but have had problem's with terrier and terrier together if you aint sure dont do it i would say,i do judge which dog's i put together though very carefully so far i must of just been lucky

 

you find that with pets mate.

[hedz31 1,308]

Never had a problem with terrier or lurcher kenneled together or 2 lurcher's together but have had problem's with terrier and terrier together if you aint sure dont do it i would say,i do judge which dog's i put together though very carefully so far i must of just been lucky

 

you find that with pets mate.

Do ye thank's for the advice i take it your's are pets as well being so knowledgable on the subject

[GrCh 856]

Never had a problem with terrier or lurcher kenneled together or 2 lurcher's together but have had problem's with terrier and terrier together if you aint sure dont do it i would say,i do judge which dog's i put together though very carefully so far i must of just been lucky

 

you find that with pets mate.

Do ye thank's for the advice i take it your's are pets as well being so knowledgable on the subject

 

i'm like you mate, only keep pets and only one on here for the banter. You going to crufts next year?

[hedz31 1,308]

Never had a problem with terrier or lurcher kenneled together or 2 lurcher's together but have had problem's with terrier and terrier together if you aint sure dont do it i would say,i do judge which dog's i put together though very carefully so far i must of just been lucky

 

you find that with pets mate.

Do ye thank's for the advice i take it your's are pets as well being so knowledgable on the subject

 

i'm like you mate, only keep pets and only one on here for the banter. You going to crufts next year?

Nope not next year i see you did well there this year though well done how's ye flyball training coming on with ye dog's

[rob190364 2,594]

Never had a problem with terrier or lurcher kenneled together or 2 lurcher's together but have had problem's with terrier and terrier together if you aint sure dont do it i would say,i do judge which dog's i put together though very carefully so far i must of just been lucky

 

you find that with pets mate.

Do ye thank's for the advice i take it your's are pets as well being so knowledgable on the subject

 

i'm like you mate, only keep pets and only one on here for the banter. You going to crufts next year?

Nope not next year i see you did well there this year though well done how's ye flyball training coming on with ye dog's

can't you two settle it over a game of conkers or something? it's a fairly useful topic you're ruining here

[hedz31 1,308]

Never had a problem with terrier or lurcher kenneled together or 2 lurcher's together but have had problem's with terrier and terrier together if you aint sure dont do it i would say,i do judge which dog's i put together though very carefully so far i must of just been lucky

 

you find that with pets mate.

Do ye thank's for the advice i take it your's are pets as well being so knowledgable on the subject

 

i'm like you mate, only keep pets and only one on here for the banter. You going to crufts next year?

Nope not next year i see you did well there this year though well done how's ye flyball training coming on with ye dog's

can't you two settle it over a game of conkers or something? it's a fairly useful topic you're ruining here

whatever do ye mean i dont even know the lad i think he seem's to think he know's me

[Ratreeper 441]

But, once again, it doesn't always work like that, and some dogs may appear to hold a grudge for reasons you don't even know. Suppose one dog has barged the other getting through a door way: the dog that got barged, maybe slammed against the door frame and hurt, may well be harbouring resentment, which in time, may boil over over something entirely unnconnected.

 

I generally agree with what you say, but since when do dogs hold a grudge? I have never known anything like it, they might remember getting hurt but I think you are being anthropomorphic if you think a dog will hold a grudge against another dog. I would say that if a dog thinks another dog has crossed the line it will attack straight away and sort it out, then the balance has been restored and they carry on. I don't think dogs hold any resentment towards a leader dog, they know their place and live from day to day.

[GrCh 856]

Never had a problem with terrier or lurcher kenneled together or 2 lurcher's together but have had problem's with terrier and terrier together if you aint sure dont do it i would say,i do judge which dog's i put together though very carefully so far i must of just been lucky

 

you find that with pets mate.

Do ye thank's for the advice i take it your's are pets as well being so knowledgable on the subject

 

i'm like you mate, only keep pets and only one on here for the banter. You going to crufts next year?

Nope not next year i see you did well there this year though well done how's ye flyball training coming on with ye dog's

can't you two settle it over a game of conkers or something? it's a fairly useful topic you're ruining here

whatever do ye mean i dont even know the lad i think he seem's to think he know's me

 

i wouldn't admit to knowing you mate on a public forum

 

Anyhow back on topic......

Edited April 11, 2012 by GrCh

[rob190364 2,594]

But, once again, it doesn't always work like that, and some dogs may appear to hold a grudge for reasons you don't even know. Suppose one dog has barged the other getting through a door way: the dog that got barged, maybe slammed against the door frame and hurt, may well be harbouring resentment, which in time, may boil over over something entirely unnconnected.

 

I generally agree with what you say, but since when do dogs hold a grudge? I have never known anything like it, they might remember getting hurt but I think you are being anthropomorphic if you think a dog will hold a grudge against another dog. I would say that if a dog thinks another dog has crossed the line it will attack straight away and sort it out, then the balance has been restored and they carry on. I don't think dogs hold any resentment towards a leader dog, they know their place and live from day to day.

I think you're wrong there bud, and I think they hold a resentment against types of dogs aswell. I had a mongrel once that took a pasting off a GSD, from that moment onwards he was fine with all other dogs but as soon as any GSD approached he'd attack it. I've also had a dog that was fine with other dogs apart from my sisters lab, just won't have it at all, other labs fine but not that one, not for anything!

[gnipper 6,406]

Dogs can hold grudges and also the worst for fighting I've seen have been bitches, once they start theres no stopping them. Dogs will pack it in easier and bitches are evil.

[Ratreeper 441]

But, once again, it doesn't always work like that, and some dogs may appear to hold a grudge for reasons you don't even know. Suppose one dog has barged the other getting through a door way: the dog that got barged, maybe slammed against the door frame and hurt, may well be harbouring resentment, which in time, may boil over over something entirely unnconnected.

 

I generally agree with what you say, but since when do dogs hold a grudge? I have never known anything like it, they might remember getting hurt but I think you are being anthropomorphic if you think a dog will hold a grudge against another dog. I would say that if a dog thinks another dog has crossed the line it will attack straight away and sort it out, then the balance has been restored and they carry on. I don't think dogs hold any resentment towards a leader dog, they know their place and live from day to day.

I think you're wrong there bud, and I think they hold a resentment against types of dogs aswell. I had a mongrel once that took a pasting off a GSD, from that moment onwards he was fine with all other dogs but as soon as any GSD approached he'd attack it. I've also had a dog that was fine with other dogs apart from my sisters lab, just won't have it at all, other labs fine but not that one, not for anything!

 

I would agree dogs will learn to fear types of dog, ie if they get attacked by a big dog they might be fine with everything except a large dog. But what skycat described sounds like a challenge, barging through a door first and I don't think a dog would hold a resentment, it would straight away reassert itself as the one that goes through doors first. Very similar to when people say 'my dog was very naughty so he didn't get a treat that day', the dog doesn't link the two together and doesn't learn. Like with training or stock breaking, you have to act immediately after the incident they won't associate it if it happens much later...but if I am wrong then I am wrong and I will have to rethink how I believe dogs think

[rob190364 2,594]

But, once again, it doesn't always work like that, and some dogs may appear to hold a grudge for reasons you don't even know. Suppose one dog has barged the other getting through a door way: the dog that got barged, maybe slammed against the door frame and hurt, may well be harbouring resentment, which in time, may boil over over something entirely unnconnected.

 

I generally agree with what you say, but since when do dogs hold a grudge? I have never known anything like it, they might remember getting hurt but I think you are being anthropomorphic if you think a dog will hold a grudge against another dog. I would say that if a dog thinks another dog has crossed the line it will attack straight away and sort it out, then the balance has been restored and they carry on. I don't think dogs hold any resentment towards a leader dog, they know their place and live from day to day.

I think you're wrong there bud, and I think they hold a resentment against types of dogs aswell. I had a mongrel once that took a pasting off a GSD, from that moment onwards he was fine with all other dogs but as soon as any GSD approached he'd attack it. I've also had a dog that was fine with other dogs apart from my sisters lab, just won't have it at all, other labs fine but not that one, not for anything!

 

I would agree dogs will learn to fear types of dog, ie if they get attacked by a big dog they might be fine with everything except a large dog. But what skycat described sounds like a challenge, barging through a door first and I don't think a dog would hold a resentment, it would straight away reassert itself as the one that goes through doors first. Very similar to when people say 'my dog was very naughty so he didn't get a treat that day', the dog doesn't link the two together and doesn't learn. Like with training or stock breaking, you have to act immediately after the incident they won't associate it if it happens much later...but if I am wrong then I am wrong and I will have to rethink how I believe dogs think

I also had a dog that for some bizarre reason had a dislike for one of my mates, was perfect with people but for some reason barked at my mate and stood off him. I lost touch with the lad and saw him about 2 years later when walking the dog, he did exactly the same thing again. I guess rather than a grudge it's probably more to do with the energy that person or dog is giving off? so rather than then conciously thinking they don't like them or they're going to get revenge, it's just that dog/person is giving off bad vibes and that's what the dog is responding to?

[MR.Digger! 10]

i dont because my bull x then chews the kennel.. but i can kennell him and my terrier dog no problem and leave them with food, but not all dogs are the same.

[skycat 6,173]

OK, maybe grudge does sound a bit anthropomorphic, but bear this in mind: we expect our dogs to live together in harmony. Our dogs know what is expected of them. They know that we don't like them to be aggressive towards other dogs, so, for the most part, they try and live as we want them to. Because if they attack each other, we'll get mad at them. By the simple fact of expecting our dogs to live peacefully together we are putting them under stress: not all the time, and not all dogs. But it does happen.

 

For example: I had a very good lurcher bitch with a very short fuse: if another dog barged her she saw it as an act of aggression. In short, she was a pain in the ar*e around other dogs. One day, before I realised the extent of her problem, she piled in on another lurcher who had crashed into her whilst playing. This bitch tried to kill the crasher, who wasn't a nasty dog in any way. I got them apart, and the bitch who started the fight seemed absolutely fine with the one she'd tried to kill. Problem was that this bitch, the short fuse bitch, had a terrier mentality: if something, any animal, aggressed her, she had to kill it, but it wasn't personal with her, just an instant reaction.

 

However, the other bitch, the one who had taken the brunt of this retaliation, never forgot, and if I'd left them loose together even for a second, she'd have tried to kill the short fuse bitch: now if that isn't holding a grudge I don't know what is. I ended up having to get rid of this bitch although she was absolutely fine with all other dogs and bitches: I had to keep the short fuse bitch purely because she was such an amazingly good worker, besides which, I wouldn't have passed her on to anyone else knowing what she was like.

 

That is an extreme example, but there's plenty more. I have two terriers, which can go out and work fine with each other, but they are never allowed near each other at home: because they are both very reactive, and even the excitement prior to exercise gets them so wound up that they'd fly in at each other, which would then lead to a full scale fight: that is the drive and energy thing. There's no personal malice involved, they just get in 'drive', in the zone where they're like coiled springs waiting to explode. Once out and doing stuff they can be side by side on a carcase with no growl or anything at all at each other because their energy is directed where it should be, on their quarry, not each other.

 

That's also why some people who keep dogs in the house together find that their dogs act up just before going out for a walk or to work: the dogs are pent up in themselves, and with only each other to release that energy. But it can also lead to further problems if a fight kicks off at this time. You should see my black Airedale lurcher just before going out: she growls and leaps round her dam like a lunatic, lunging at her ears and throat. It's all very innocent, but if she did it around my black terrier, there'd be trouble, because the terrier would take it as a real threat, and react accordingly. The lurcher would in all probability react to that reaction, and before you know it you have a problem. So the terrier comes out of her kennel last once the lurchers are already in the van. Once they're out on exercise there's no problem at all because they're all busy doing what dogs do where there's plenty of scent.

[hutch6 550]

I think you're wrong there bud, and I think they hold a resentment against types of dogs aswell. I had a mongrel once that took a pasting off a GSD, from that moment onwards he was fine with all other dogs but as soon as any GSD approached he'd attack it. I've also had a dog that was fine with other dogs apart from my sisters lab, just won't have it at all, other labs fine but not that one, not for anything!

 

That is not resentment or a gruge it is merely a learned response through experience. Its the same as you buying a certain brand of car and having no end of issues with it. You wouldn't do without a car you'd just prefer as different model. The GSD shape, body language, scent or outline would be what was driving the dog's reaction much the same as the way the car's badge would make your spine shiver and you're wallet run for cover.

 

Dogs are incapable of holding a grudge, planning an action that is not presented in front of them, feeling guilty or performing an action to get back at you for something you or another dog did.

 

If a dog barged passed another then the "put out" dog would either let its annoyance be known there and then or it rwould simply allow things to be, depends if it sees itself higher than the other dog or not. If it does then a challenge will be given, if not then it accepts the action and moves on.

 

A few relationships I see between my dogs and my dogs and other dogs.

 

I have three - two males and a bitch none are intact. Everyday the same routine plays out:

 

Bitch is first dog out of the door, next is Kes and then Dillon. Kes has no back hips and struggles to walk where as Dillon is a farm collie and been here since he was a pup and longer than the rest so with Kes' disability you would expect him to give way to Dillon but he doesn't and Dillon will fend off other dogs that get a bit heavy handed with him.

 

Into the car: Kes, Dillon and then Lucy

 

Out of the car: Dillon, Kes and then Lucy.

 

Toys: Kes will have a game of tug with Dillon on the long tug rope but other than that toys are given up immediately. Lucy can get toys off of Dillon but on the odd rare occasion he will have a dig back.

 

Gates and styles when out and about: Kes, Lucy and Dillon.

 

Back at the car: Kes, Dillon and Lucy.

 

Out of the car: Dillon, Lucy and Kes.

 

Through the front door home again: Kes, Lucy and then Dillon - in fact Dillon will wait until he is the very last thing out there before coming in,

 

Food & Drink: All can be fed togther with bolws touching and all will drink fromt he water at the same time without any issue whatsoever., that is until Lucy hoovers her food down and then tries to nick everyone else's but she is learning she gest nothing for the fuss she kicks up so that is dying down.

 

I sometimes look after a friend's bitch spaniel that does not get on with his other bitch spaniel at all so when they go away for a bit I take her in whilst the other bitch spaniel and other male spaniel go to kennels.

She accepted in to the pack no issue at mine eveytime.

 

Another mate has two labs. One of them my dogs just don't get along with at all. They have been walked together hundreds of time but something will always kick them off.

 

The vast majority of dogs will get along but there the odd exception that they just can't accpet, a bit like us. There are folk you get on great with, folk you don't mind but some folk you just can't tollerate for one reason or another and it's the same with dogs.

 

If two dogs have been living in a confined space such as a kitchen you will find that they will sort their own areas out where they sleep. If you ask a foxhound pack manager they will tell you that the same one or two foxhounds will always be the first out of the kennels. IF they get on in the confined space in the home then there is a high chance that they will be fine kenelled outside together.

 

Dogs will fight for the right to resources - food, water, bed and human interaction - but the biggest resource to intact dogs is sex and the right to breed. An intact bitch will always be top dog no matter what but will tollerate being second in other instances (just as I have stated with my little pack). Two bitches that are intact is a recipe for disaster. Two bitches with one intact and the other spayed is a potential recipe for disaster. Two bitches that have been spayed are still a recipe for disaster unless both spayings have taken place when the hormones are in the same balance at the same stage of their lives. In a bitch and a dog the bitch will hold rank reagrdless as they hold access to one more resource and the most important resource of all - a vagina. She might be in season but if she doesn't want that dfog as a mate she will makes sure it's very clear.

 

I have to nip out for some dog food so if I get chance I'll finish this off when I get back.