bmi 116 traps

[sean 0]

Guys and dolls

 

Have a mate going to USA to see girlfriend and is willing to bring me back a handful of 116 traps in his suitcase , only thing is I cant find any of the USA sites selling this model ,can get smaller and bigger ones. Does anyone know a supplier over there that I could buy of.

Sorry to any UK based dealers but I am a tight and if I can get at a reduced price means I have more beer tokens

 

 

Sean

[victoria vixen 0]

Guys and dolls

 

Have a mate going to USA to see girlfriend and is willing to bring me back a handful of 116 traps in his suitcase , only thing is I cant find any of the USA sites selling this model ,can get smaller and bigger ones. Does anyone know a supplier over there that I could buy of.

Sorry to any UK based dealers but I am a tight and if I can get at a reduced price means I have more beer tokens

 

 

Sean

 

I think you might mean the "160", not the 116. The BMI's are real easy to get in the states. Most trap supply house sell them. The BMI, which is a 6.5 x 6.5 kill trap(with 2 springs), sells for $. per dozen, US dealer cost. The Victor 160, which is a much better trap, sells for $129. per dozen, US. My personal choice is the Canadian built "Beliese" 160, which is more powerful. It sells for $99.us, per dozen, dealer cost.

[Guest Ditch_Shitter]

VV; With ye all the way on the Belisle! Simply the Best!

 

Unfortunately, that great make of trap isn't specifically mentioned under the pertinent section of the Spring Traps Approval Order which stipulates presicely which traps may be used in britain.

 

Common sense may suggest one should be able to employ a trap so similar to those listed that a casual or unknowing glance couldn't spot the differance. Especially one which is yet more effective and 'Humane'. But ..... Nanny knows best ...

 

Bit bloody ironic, really, when ye consider Fenn traps, Mk I - VI are listed and quite acceptable. Yet the Fenn's, especially Mk III and IV were constantly being tweaked, fiddled with and slightly altered during their history. Certainly throwing up more differances than one would find in a BMI Magnum and a Belisle. Long as they have " Fenn " stamped on them? Nobody argues.

 

In todays britain though? Get caught using a trap of the right sort but the wrong brand name beaten into it? Test Case waiting to happen.

 

Me? Happy me! I'm in a country with better things to concern itself I use Belisle's!

[Phil Lloyd 10,738]

Edited May 9, 2007 by CHALKWARREN

[micky 3,325]

Guys and dolls

 

Have a mate going to USA to see girlfriend and is willing to bring me back a handful of 116 traps in his suitcase , only thing is I cant find any of the USA sites selling this model ,can get smaller and bigger ones. Does anyone know a supplier over there that I could buy of.

Sorry to any UK based dealers but I am a tight and if I can get at a reduced price means I have more beer tokens

 

 

Sean

 

I think you might mean the "160", not the 116. The BMI's are real easy to get in the states. Most trap supply house sell them. The BMI, which is a 6.5 x 6.5 kill trap(with 2 springs), sells for $. per dozen, US dealer cost. The Victor 160, which is a much better trap, sells for $129. per dozen, US. My personal choice is the Canadian built "Beliese" 160, which is more powerful. It sells for $99.us, per dozen, dealer cost.

 

 

Firstly in reply to 'Tight Sean'...

I would be the first in line to encourage a man to 'have a deal',...I've spent my entire life trading with the hardest and shrewdest of canny feckers, from Romany Gypsies to Nomadic Bedouins..

Its part of the great game....

However,..and hopefully for the last and final time....

Lets put the entire 'Body Grip ' trap scene into perspective, and maybe answer a few questions ?

For years,..folk have been returning home from vacations spent abroad,..their suitcases full of weird and wonderful hunting related items,.traps, snares ,..and other bits and pieces, that they had found.

The Body gripper in the guise of the Conibear,...is not a new thing to the UK...

They have been around a long time. The REASON that the original Conibears were not taken on board when the Gin was banned and all the various crazy inventions came out of the woodwork, was the SAME reason why the Body gripper was not readily accepted by trappers, pesters and Gamekeepers in the UK.

WE were used to using a trap that jumped up and claimed its victim when the pan was touched. THe entire concept of the Body gripper was completely alien to the UK trapping fraternity. Obviously a few keen enthusiasts had sent off for Conibears , etc, and had become proficient in their usage, but in general,.the trap was still a mystery to most folk. It still is...

Anyway,...when I pushed the Ministry to include the BMI Magnum Trap in their revue of ALL the available 'Humane Spring Traps' ...I was faced with several problems.

Firstly,.the folk designated to TEST out these versatile traps couldn't even set them !

It was emotional,..not to say worrying because there was a substantial financial investment involved for myself and my business partner. These 'tests' took time,...and a lot of data was collated and during the re-testing of several other types of 'killing traps',..certain failings were discovered,...but nothing was ever done about it. However,..and in conclusion,.... The 116 BMI Magnum trap does NOT exist for the US or Canadian trapping market,.it was specially created to fulfil a task in the UK...

The American trappers are quite content with the various 110 types, they see no need for a more powerful trap to take out grey squirrels , mink,.etc...Whereas, our own Ministry,...(Ministry of silly bloody walks)...felt that in order to kill a cony,.a much more powerful spring was needed,.Hence, the birth of the 116...

The traps were made for me in two sizes,.110 & 116 , solely to match the Fenn mk4 and Fenn mk6...its as simple as that! The other problem with the 120 and even the well made Belisle types is that ,.as a rule,.they are 'double spring' jobs,.and believe me,.it was fecking hard enough getting novices to use the single spring in an upright position ,.in a cubby to stabilize it,.without complicating matters by offering them two springs to deal with Personally,.I like the double spring jobs,.but,..there you have it,...its all down to business.

Anyway,.I no longer own the Magnum Trap Company Limited,...and I have no financial connections to it other than fond memories of its exciting , yet frustrating conception

So,..lads, by all means try and get some cheap traps if you can,.but make quite sure that you are very proficient in setting them safely and most importantly humanely,..for all our sakes...

 

All the best,.and good trapping,..CHALKWARREN....

what were the certain failings that were discoverd,? just curious micky

[Phil Lloyd 10,738]

Edited May 9, 2007 by CHALKWARREN

[sean 0]

chalkwarren

 

thanks for taking time to explain it , had done alot of searching on net but could not find them in USA.

Tight old me always on lookout for cheapies , its just wifey gets pissed when stuff arrives in post and i tell her how much ££££££.

Still have to tell her a bolt for my motorcycle cost £35.00 , think i will keep that to myself :whistle:

 

cheers

 

Sean

[victoria vixen 0]

chalkwarren

 

thanks for taking time to explain it , had done alot of searching on net but could not find them in USA.

Tight old me always on lookout for cheapies , its just wifey gets pissed when stuff arrives in post and i tell her how much ££££££.

Still have to tell her a bolt for my motorcycle cost £35.00 , think i will keep that to myself :whistle:

 

cheers

 

Sean

 

Well, I stand corrected on the 116. I had not heard of it in the states. I do know this fall some trap laws go into effect in Canada. Which kill traps can be used for certain animals is one of those laws. Like DS, I personally liked the Beliese or the "Canadian built" Sauvageau, (pronounced Savage). Most traps I owned thruogh the years were Victor Conibears however. It was what was available at the time.

[Guest Ditch_Shitter]

" Sauvageau ". Now there's a name from my Trap Collecting past!

 

Seeing as how this thread seems to have about run it's course, perhaps Sean won't mind if I go off on this tangent?

 

VV; Did ye ever get to use the 'famous' Sauvageau Marten Trap? I, obviously, only ever handled one as a much covetted specimen in my then more worldly and extensive Collection. But I now come to consider it's more practical merits and it seems such a good trap I can't help but wonder what became of it.

 

For those unfamiliar with this trap; It was basicly a pair of smooth, ' U ' shaped jaws which set on the horizontal plane. The top one being active and snapping down over the lower one when a rather vicious looking bait hook was tugged on.

 

Two more interesting aspects of this particular trap being both its polished steel cowl ~ to keep birds of pret off the bait and thus away from those awesone jaws. And the unique fact that it's power could be regulated by the manner of hand cranking it's ratcheted spring. Thus the Trapper could decide just how hard to whack the quarry!

 

Granted, as I think about this trap, I can see the inherrant dangers to any Dog who got its muzzle in there and tried to steal the bait. But then again, it was a Marten trap and as such would likely be better positioned up a leaning bough anyway, out of reach of more than most Dogs.

 

Again; Martens are, of course, a protected species in uk. But sunk back inside a suitable cubby, I'd imagine the Sauvageau could have been a heller on mink.