chrisbullx 2,541 Posted March 21, 2012 Report Share Posted March 21, 2012 No better teacher than a old dog that's doing the job singlehanded imo atb cbx 1 Quote Link to post
Irish Lurcher 1,013 Posted March 21, 2012 Report Share Posted March 21, 2012 No better teacher than a old dog that's doing the job singlehanded imo atb cbx Chris agree 100%, so why would a lad bring on a pup for for 15 months or so and expect the pup to a tough job single, thats the part I dont understand, Any dog man worth his weight would never chance to ruin a pup in such a manner. Quote Link to post
chrisbullx 2,541 Posted March 21, 2012 Report Share Posted March 21, 2012 No better teacher than a old dog that's doing the job singlehanded imo atb cbx Chris agree 100%, so why would a lad bring on a pup for for 15 months or so and expect the pup to a tough job single, thats the part I dont understand, Any dog man worth his weight would never chance to ruin a pup in such a manner. you will break more than you will make running young dogs single handed to start them off it don't make sense to me either!!! How can we teach a dog how to run,turn,catch & kill a fox?? We can't but a old dog that's been doing this line of work for seasons can its as simple as that!!! Atb cbx 2 Quote Link to post
stabba 10,745 Posted March 21, 2012 Report Share Posted March 21, 2012 some dogs are just born fox dogs they take to it easily some need a bit help so if YOU think YOUR dog needs abit help double it up till you can see that its ready simple as that you have to know your dog mate is it a soft fecker or has it got bottle? softiesmake good bunny dogs and tough dogs make good fox/deer dogs Define "softie" for me mate...coz some of the best fox dogs ive ever seen have been as soft as shite regarding everything bar foxes..atb stabba 5 Quote Link to post
Casso 1,261 Posted March 21, 2012 Report Share Posted March 21, 2012 The whole thing about running a young dog who hasn't seen much action and has only caught rabbits, is the fact he is running Cold Blooded, by that i mean in his head he's not coming out of his corner fighting so when he hits his fox his is still in that calm frame of mind, which is the wrong one to face an animal fighting for its life,and that is what catches a lot of young dogs out, Now the only different between that and running with an older experienced dog is that dogs tune into each others mindsets, if one is excited the other will become excited, so if one dog is ape shit for charlie , the young dog will be feeding off the frenzy in the older dog and when a young dog is in that Hot blooded mindset he can deal with a lot easier with the problems involved in such an encounter, the pain involved just becomes part of the excitement,, 6 Quote Link to post
terrierxhound 26 Posted March 21, 2012 Report Share Posted March 21, 2012 i always double a young dog wit a good dog for mayby the first ten reds then chance him on his own and has always worked for me i think too many younglads listen to the shit talkers that tell them a dog should mangle the first fox he sees single handed or get rid wat they dont tell them is that out of ten dogs they prob ruined nine and ended up wit one that is prob stupid on a fox and gets nailed every time where as if entered right u would prob revers that and out of ten dogs prob end up wit nine decent fox dogs my opinion cheers (brian) 2 Quote Link to post
ftm 3,357 Posted March 21, 2012 Report Share Posted March 21, 2012 stabba -a softie is a softie simple as that -scared of its own shadow cowers when you raise your voice keeps out the way when ratting lies down at 1st sign of aggression from other dogs/moggies ! a tough forward dog stands his ground when owt threatens him/her loves ratting is keen when terriers are dug to etc -thats my thoughts on telling what type of dog would make the grade on charlie i dont have any bother with a "softie" its just in my opinion they dont make good fox dogs 1 Quote Link to post
Irish Lurcher 1,013 Posted March 21, 2012 Report Share Posted March 21, 2012 I really don t want to spoil this thread, but other day I was slated by stop.end for doubling up my pup, ,, now I know he craves attention and that most of his replys are shit, but it worry me that he can run on a young dog single, must have a good supply of dogs, or a yard full of rabbit dogs. Can someone who is foolish enough to run a pup single on a red please explain to me the reason for doing so, please... Quote Link to post
Irish Lurcher 1,013 Posted March 21, 2012 Report Share Posted March 21, 2012 i always double a young dog wit a good dog for mayby the first ten reds then chance him on his own and has always worked for me i think too many younglads listen to the shit talkers that tell them a dog should mangle the first fox he sees single handed or get rid wat they dont tell them is that out of ten dogs they prob ruined nine and ended up wit one that is prob stupid on a fox and gets nailed every time where as if entered right u would prob revers that and out of ten dogs prob end up wit nine decent fox dogs my opinion cheers (brian) Great reply Brian, I think you will find that most of the shite on donedeal are lads who ran them to early and now want to sell on because they are either moving house or a new baby has come on board, bollox, stop fcuken ruining good dogs and give the pup a change to work. 1 Quote Link to post
mighty celt 996 Posted March 21, 2012 Report Share Posted March 21, 2012 stabba -a softie is a softie simple as that -scared of its own shadow cowers when you raise your voice keeps out the way when ratting lies down at 1st sign of aggression from other dogs/moggies ! a tough forward dog stands his ground when owt threatens him/her loves ratting is keen when terriers are dug to etc -thats my thoughts on telling what type of dog would make the grade on charlie i dont have any bother with a "softie" its just in my opinion they dont make good fox dogs the way you describe a soft dog is the way i would describe a neglected beaten dog,scared of its own shadow cowers when shouted at,a soft dog to me is a well mannerd dog out of the field,good with kids other dogs ect ect,and who clicks when in the field,i suppose your tough hard dog would be one that would rag anything in sight out of the field and is just an allround liabilty,some folk just dont no how to bring on a sensetive pup not soft. 4 Quote Link to post
Chid 6,508 Posted March 21, 2012 Report Share Posted March 21, 2012 No better teacher than a old dog that's doing the job singlehanded imo atb cbx Chris agree 100%, so why would a lad bring on a pup for for 15 months or so and expect the pup to a tough job single, thats the part I dont understand, Any dog man worth his weight would never chance to ruin a pup in such a manner. Maybe some people just can't get out with an experienced fox dog ... Knew I couldn't when I started mine . Now I'm lucky to know a couple of lads who have good fox dogs which I could get my pup started with or I've got my own older dog 1 Quote Link to post
ftm 3,357 Posted March 21, 2012 Report Share Posted March 21, 2012 stabba -a softie is a softie simple as that -scared of its own shadow cowers when you raise your voice keeps out the way when ratting lies down at 1st sign of aggression from other dogs/moggies ! a tough forward dog stands his ground when owt threatens him/her loves ratting is keen when terriers are dug to etc -thats my thoughts on telling what type of dog would make the grade on charlie i dont have any bother with a "softie" its just in my opinion they dont make good fox dogs i dont keep lurchers now mate but my dogs would play with the kids [like yours do] chase the ferrets about [playing] etcetc etc would not touch owt i told them to leave alone but done the job i asked of them -as for cowering? mine didnt cower mate they liked there owner i schooled my dogs the right way they just werent softies ! the way you describe a soft dog is the way i would describe a neglected beaten dog,scared of its own shadow cowers when shouted at,a soft dog to me is a well mannerd dog out of the field,good with kids other dogs ect ect,and who clicks when in the field,i suppose your tough hard dog would be one that would rag anything in sight out of the field and is just an allround liabilty,some folk just dont no how to bring on a sensetive pup not soft. Quote Link to post
2.8 guy 403 Posted March 21, 2012 Report Share Posted March 21, 2012 (edited) i Edited March 22, 2012 by 2.8 guy Quote Link to post
Irish Lurcher 1,013 Posted March 21, 2012 Report Share Posted March 21, 2012 i allways like to enter a dog when i think its mature enough depends on each dog, i allways enter single handed as i i find two dogs on one fox can make it hard for one or the other to shake it, i find going out with the terrier is good to start as the gee up of the dog baying winds it all up grab him out hand it to the dog yum yum lol pre ban of course Fair point lad, but how on gods earth can you teach the dog to stay clear of the sharp end of things, the young dog I feel must be made aware of this and thats when an older dog comes into play. If it works for you then fair play, but I can see more young dogs been rabbit dogs in the long run. Quote Link to post
THE MAN 9 Posted March 21, 2012 Report Share Posted March 21, 2012 (edited) i allways like to enter a dog when i think its mature enough depends on each dog, i allways enter single handed as i i find two dogs on one fox can make it hard for one or the other to shake it, i find going out with the terrier is good to start as the gee up of the dog baying winds it all up grab him out hand it to the dog yum yum lol pre ban of course Fair point lad, but how on gods earth can you teach the dog to stay clear of the sharp end of things, the young dog I feel must be made aware of this and thats when an older dog comes into play. If it works for you then fair play, but I can see more young dogs been rabbit dogs in the long run. stay clear of the sharp end ...... ... if my dogs not at that the "sharp" end hes gone lads....... Edited March 21, 2012 by THE MAN Quote Link to post
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