WILF 47,975 Posted March 19, 2012 Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 There's nothing nice or heroic about putting a dog down, quiet the opposite in fact, it's a very distasteful business. That said, I would rather put a bullet in good blood than see it go to a wanker. Pups can have the best breeding in the world behind them but it don't mean they will turn right Physical deformities, mentally wrong and as has been said, not enough of the right homes are just a few valid reasons for putting down pups. I don't suppose the " any dog can be good if it's raised right" mob will agree, but there you go Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Millet 4,497 Posted March 19, 2012 Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 Probably one of the reason's I don't breed any of my dogs now....it's different if you breed for the right reasons and you can account for the majority of the pups....I don't have an issue with selling on the spare pups for pin money....but I would never breed a dog solely for profit. I think people...most anyway have an emotional attachment to dogs comparing them to doo's is just daft...most dogs can be put to some use depending on what your looking for....I couldn't and wouldn't cull a healthy dog. I wont ever breed anoter litter unless any goes genuine working type friend's that can home them...i bred a litter of terrier's 11yr's ago mainly so i could keep one but two supposedly friend's got one each for no charge..the first bitch was passed on then past back..the dog was give away then sold for £150 then sold again for £300..because it was working.. . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
whippet 99 2,613 Posted March 19, 2012 Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 as you said your grandad was a top flyer in his day the way to end up with the best of what you got is to cull hard imo he could`nt cull dogs though ..if he`d have applied the same method to his whippits as he did pigeons i`m sure he`d have done better than he did .. WOULD HE HAD MADE A PIE WITH THEM TOO LOL knowing my grandad yes i dont think they spent much money down the shop he certainly know how to save a few bob .. fook me send him around my house to speak to the mrs about spending Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sowhat 1,572 Posted March 19, 2012 Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 For me culling pigeon's/chicken's and ferret's is a different ball game to culling a healthy dog.. same as me millit .. And me Quote Link to post Share on other sites
the_stig 6,614 Posted March 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 as you said your grandad was a top flyer in his day the way to end up with the best of what you got is to cull hard imo he could`nt cull dogs though ..if he`d have applied the same method to his whippits as he did pigeons i`m sure he`d have done better than he did .. WOULD HE HAD MADE A PIE WITH THEM TOO LOL knowing my grandad yes i dont think they spent much money down the shop he certainly know how to save a few bob .. fook me send him around my house to speak to the mrs about spending thats the way it was back then it was all poached or came off the allotment --- he used to say free range chicken eggs and some fresh picked mushrooms and you got a meal -- Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fat man 4,741 Posted March 19, 2012 Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 Unless a genuine pet home can be found for a failed earth dog or lurcher i think it should be culled.There is a lot of dogs that get passed on up and down the country and are also bred from by people with lower standards and that is why there is so much shit out there in the 1st place,its very easy to tell a complete stranger when they come to buy a pup that the parents are top class then by fluke the pup might work and they in turn breed from it with maybe 90% of the litter shite. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bunnys 1,228 Posted March 19, 2012 Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 I can see 2 possible 3 comments i agree on , my belief there his no room for weeknesses on the working animal keeper. cull and cull hard then there will be no babbling on this that the other get it done and move on . atb bunnys. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
whippet 99 2,613 Posted March 19, 2012 Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 Unless a genuine pet home can be found for a failed earth dog or lurcher i think it should be culled.There is a lot of dogs that get passed on up and down the country and are also bred from by people with lower standards and that is why there is so much shit out there in the 1st place,its very easy to tell a complete stranger when they come to buy a pup that the parents are top class then by fluke the pup might work and they in turn breed from it with maybe 90% of the litter shite. must be neutured first mate Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TOPPER 1,809 Posted March 19, 2012 Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 for me culling is no problem but i do feel alot of lads dont give a dog a fair chance they just havent the patience to rear and school a pup to matueaty , then when its done a few digs for some reason it doesnt do the job its a jibber and its shot they dont think about why it didnt perform park it up then give it another go and if it has thrown inthe towel give it a lead injection , ive shot lots over the years as i dont believe in passing on crap i have rehomed the odd one or two to pet homes after neutering them and charged a nominal fee to cover cost [ if they pay for it they might appreciate it ] just as ive given away pups to proper digging lads ive known a while but i believe in culling the crap to preserve the good , jmo top Quote Link to post Share on other sites
123456 146 Posted March 19, 2012 Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 Rio iv had what i classed as crap, 2 went to pet homes and 1 went to a rabbit only man who keeps her mainly as a pet being 17 i had no choice what happened to the dogs. I had to get rid of 2 bullxs that were not the worlds best but still very good dogs as far as i was concerned, the bitch went back were she came from and the dog his mate. No money was exchanged but they will be returned to me should they want rid. The pup i have was bred by my father, should she not make the grade she will be pts no questions asked the same as the pup im being gift end of thew year Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Duncan 802 Posted March 19, 2012 Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 Rio iv had what i classed as crap, 2 went to pet homes and 1 went to a rabbit only man who keeps her mainly as a pet being 17 i had no choice what happened to the dogs. I had to get rid of 2 bullxs that were not the worlds best but still very good dogs as far as i was concerned, the bitch went back were she came from and the dog his mate. No money was exchanged but they will be returned to me should they want rid. The pup i have was bred by my father, should she not make the grade she will be pts no questions asked the same as the pup im being gift end of thew year ...and what breed was your father? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
foxdigger13 114 Posted March 19, 2012 Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 Have I had to cull a dog yet NO, Would i when I have my own kennels, yes I would, IMO, to breed the best you have to cull, Cheers fd. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,535 Posted March 20, 2012 Report Share Posted March 20, 2012 Its not as if theres not enough dogs around.....so why accept inferior quality working dogs.....they are not human beings they are dogs that WE breed for our own uses we dont send them out into the world to make their own way in life so if we breed dogs for work and they cant or wont work to the level we require then we should deal with them accordingly in my opinion not flog them off to someone else and let them breed and bring more poor quality working dogs into the world......and theres enough pets in the pet dog world so the alternative is sensible humane culling......i cant see the point in breeding workers then making them into pets when they dont make workers......thats what sets working dog folk apart the fact not every dog can or will make a worker whereas any old shit dog can make a pet. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest cookiemonsterandmerlin Posted March 20, 2012 Report Share Posted March 20, 2012 I think this thread does our sport no good in terms of public opinions but I agree that breeding from poor stock is maddness whichever animal be it dog chicken or human not that we can do anything about the latter. Not breeding from poor stock is one thing and having it neutuered is a good thing but having to cull and shoot or spade its head in another thing altogether. Would be intrested to know how many working dogs are breed in the UK to owner ratio as I would guess the number of working dogs outweigh the the owners. A leason I feel is its clear in the dog world that in the gundog world culling of bad stock is not really talked about or happens I guess and you only have to look at all the shit pet stock labs and springers to see what happens when poor working stock is off load to pet homes. You end up with alot of crap working type breeds doing no good for the line or breed of the animals . And also the ferret world too many pet ferrets casuing good working lines to be broken yes a pet ferret will bolt rabbits but will be nowt compared to a good stock of workers. We all know culling goes on but I feel the need to discuss the harsh facts of it needless we all know the benefits of it . And we can talk about it the end results of it but to highlight when our sport is under such pressure. ATB Cookie Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,535 Posted March 20, 2012 Report Share Posted March 20, 2012 I think this thread does our sport no good in terms of public opinions but I agree that breeding from poor stock is maddness whichever animal be it dog chicken or human not that we can do anything about the latter. Not breeding from poor stock is one thing and having it neutuered is a good thing but having to cull and shoot or spade its head in another thing altogether. Would be intrested to know how many working dogs are breed in the UK to owner ratio as I would guess the number of working dogs outweigh the the owners. A leason I feel is its clear in the dog world that in the gundog world culling of bad stock is not really talked about or happens I guess and you only have to look at all the shit pet stock labs and springers to see what happens when poor working stock is off load to pet homes. You end up with alot of crap working type breeds doing no good for the line or breed of the animals . And also the ferret world too many pet ferrets casuing good working lines to be broken yes a pet ferret will bolt rabbits but will be nowt compared to a good stock of workers. We all know culling goes on but I feel the need to discuss the harsh facts of it needless we all know the benefits of it . And we can talk about it the end results of it but to highlight when our sport is under such pressure. ATB Cookie Nobodies discussing it on the music channel or news at ten......this is a hunting website after all im sure its not a taboo subject its just the harsh reality of working animals surely ?......Totally agree with everything else....theres already too many dogs out there without putting poor workers in pet homes. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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