Views on the .204 Ruger for rabbiting

[zx10mike 137]

just because you have A.O.L.Q on your licence doesn't mean you should blow an animal to pieces. shooting and hunting to me is not about mindless killing with no respect for the animal. every animal I shoot goes to good use bar fox's. there all either eaten by me the dogs or the ferret. and to say its only ferret food, meat damage doesn't matter is siht talk. 1 hole rabbit will feed a ferret for just as long as 3 or 4 that have been shot to pieces. so your view's are its just a rabbit it doesn't matter?

i think using a 204 at extra cost per pop shows great respect.i used 26 grn varmint grenades at light speed.a very safe round and very very humane.i would rather see guys out with a 204 than the amount of cluless muppets i have met using sub 12 ft lbs air with no thought given to limitations of the set up or shot placement.its great to see shot rabbits getting used and a 204 head shot is far more accurate than any 22 or 17 hmr wich are both dependent on factory ammo.

we all do it are own way many with dogs ,ferrets,gas, best to live and let live or if you want to influence,do it nicely.

[danw 1,748]

I do respect the animals I hunt and shoot I think you have to if we didn't it wouldn't be long before there would be none left. the animal doesn't care if its left to rot in the field its dead but I do, there's no point in killing something to just leave it there when its good food. fun is only a part of hunting/shooting for me its not the hole point. I don't see the point in waste.

You may not see the point in waste but to others the point of the exercise is not to produce a harvest but to actually remove vermin I have no respect for what I kill I give it no second thought there is no need for sentiment I'm paid and expected to do a job I enjoy that is killing vermin and producing game for others to kill my harvest is the money in the bank at the end of the month and my only concern is that what I do is humane and when it comes to making things dead you can never have too much gun.

[alan81 110]

 

I do respect the animals I hunt and shoot I think you have to if we didn't it wouldn't be long before there would be none left. the animal doesn't care if its left to rot in the field its dead but I do, there's no point in killing something to just leave it there when its good food. fun is only a part of hunting/shooting for me its not the hole point. I don't see the point in waste.

You may not see the point in waste but to others the point of the exercise is not to produce a harvest but to actually remove vermin I have no respect for what I kill I give it no second thought there is no need for sentiment I'm paid and expected to do a job I enjoy that is killing vermin and producing game for others to kill my harvest is the money in the bank at the end of the month and my only concern is that what I do is humane and when it comes to making things dead you can never have too much gun.

 

well I can understand your way of thinking a little more now I know its your job but we will never agree on the to much gun thing, respect or waste. I suppose the difference between us is you make money from it and it costs me money plus I do it for food. we can go on at each other all night and still not agree on anything so I think we'll have to agree to disagree. atb mate.

[Deker 3,478]

 

 

I do respect the animals I hunt and shoot I think you have to if we didn't it wouldn't be long before there would be none left. the animal doesn't care if its left to rot in the field its dead but I do, there's no point in killing something to just leave it there when its good food. fun is only a part of hunting/shooting for me its not the hole point. I don't see the point in waste.

You may not see the point in waste but to others the point of the exercise is not to produce a harvest but to actually remove vermin I have no respect for what I kill I give it no second thought there is no need for sentiment I'm paid and expected to do a job I enjoy that is killing vermin and producing game for others to kill my harvest is the money in the bank at the end of the month and my only concern is that what I do is humane and when it comes to making things dead you can never have too much gun.

 

well I can understand your way of thinking a little more now I know its your job but we will never agree on the to much gun thing, respect or waste. I suppose the difference between us is you make money from it and it costs me money plus I do it for food. we can go on at each other all night and still not agree on anything so I think we'll have to agree to disagree. atb mate.

 

 

I'm not sure I have followed the too much gun business, the Police with the condition AOLQ are perfectly happy for a shooter to use a .308 on a mouse, admittedly an original grant for this purpose would be very unlikely, but why not, dead is dead.

 

respect and waste?

I respect and admire the fox a lot, but it has never stopped me pulling the trigger, and what would you do with a sack full of crows then?

 

So are you saying you don't shoot foxes or crows or rats or gulls etc.?

 

Pest Control is a business for which the client expect results, he does not expect you to manage the population to provide you some sport for next year, he wants his problems solved.

 

ATB!

[Alsone 789]

just because you have A.O.L.Q on your licence doesn't mean you should blow an animal to pieces. shooting and hunting to me is not about mindless killing with no respect for the animal. every animal I shoot goes to good use bar fox's. there all either eaten by me the dogs or the ferret. and to say its only ferret food, meat damage doesn't matter is siht talk. 1 hole rabbit will feed a ferret for just as long as 3 or 4 that have been shot to pieces. so your view's are its just a rabbit it doesn't matter?

 

Not everyone has a use for carcasses though.

 

You're assuming everyone has access to a local game dealer or has dogs or ferrets.

 

For me the nearest game dealer is around 20 miles away and with what they pay for rabbits it would cost more in petrol than what I'd get back in money if I were to make a trip. There are no local butchers that sell game. I don't have dogs or ferrets and those that do have dogs around me wouldn't feed them meat from an "unknown" source as they're you're typical pampered urban pets that only get the best - read that as IAMS or Pedigree Chum or even finest steak but nothing that comes from a "dirty" field.

 

There's shooting for food and shooting for pest control. Sometimes the two crossover and that's great. Its the ideal situation. However, it isn't always possible to achieve both as logistics and prices don't always allow it.

 

As for overkill, I was having a discussion with 2 female friends in the pub last night both of whom were very anti shooting. Their biggest concern was animals being wounded and they perceived shooting as cruel compared to the abattoir which they somehow see as humane. Obviously I tried to set them straight but one of the best arguments I had was the fact that the guns being used to shoot many animals such as rabbits were so powerful that everything was nearly always killed instantly.

 

To that end, its better to have overkill and than a calibre that's marginal as it takes that element of the antis argument away from them. You can eat a rabbit if you head shoot it with a .30-06. A larger calibre doesn't have to mean wasted but it does guarantee dead whereas sometimes with rimfire you can get runners especially from heart lung shots at longer ranges. Its true to say you're not going to get granted .30-06 for rabbit shooting and that probably is too much gun, I just picked a large calibre as an example. But if you happen to be out and see one, there's no reason not to take a shot provided its safe to do so, and equally if you have a smaller .22 centre fire licensed for ALOQ such as .223, then there's no reason why you shouldn't be rabbit shooting with it provided you can afford the ammo and have safe backstops and save the rimfire for very close shots. Any animal is always better dead than wounded and the one thing more powerful calibres bring is certainty. I've yet to see a rabbit with its brain blown 1/2 way across the county run anywhere!

Edited October 13, 2013 by Alsone

[delswal 3,819]

i have a .204 its makes a great foxing rifle imo very accurate out to 300yds ..........as for rabbits.......i see em i shoot em .......if i was to worry about cost i would be looking for another hobby ..........go get your .204 you wont go far wrong as an all round rifle . ( apart from the obvious ie deer species )

[alan81 110]

 

 

 

I do respect the animals I hunt and shoot I think you have to if we didn't it wouldn't be long before there would be none left. the animal doesn't care if its left to rot in the field its dead but I do, there's no point in killing something to just leave it there when its good food. fun is only a part of hunting/shooting for me its not the hole point. I don't see the point in waste.

You may not see the point in waste but to others the point of the exercise is not to produce a harvest but to actually remove vermin I have no respect for what I kill I give it no second thought there is no need for sentiment I'm paid and expected to do a job I enjoy that is killing vermin and producing game for others to kill my harvest is the money in the bank at the end of the month and my only concern is that what I do is humane and when it comes to making things dead you can never have too much gun.

 

well I can understand your way of thinking a little more now I know its your job but we will never agree on the to much gun thing, respect or waste. I suppose the difference between us is you make money from it and it costs me money plus I do it for food. we can go on at each other all night and still not agree on anything so I think we'll have to agree to disagree. atb mate.

 

 

I'm not sure I have followed the too much gun business, the Police with the condition AOLQ are perfectly happy for a shooter to use a .308 on a mouse, admittedly an original grant for this purpose would be very unlikely, but why not, dead is dead.

 

respect and waste?

I respect and admire the fox a lot, but it has never stopped me pulling the trigger, and what would you do with a sack full of crows then?

 

So are you saying you don't shoot foxes or crows or rats or gulls etc.?

 

Pest Control is a business for which the client expect results, he does not expect you to manage the population to provide you some sport for next year, he wants his problems solved.

 

ATB!

 

I do shoot fox's as I said before its the only animal I shoot that doesn't go to good use, as for crows and rats the ferret and cats will get them mind I don't shoot many rats im in the country surrounded by grass fields and I don't see many. if you use a .308 to head shot rabbits and use the carcass then its not to much gun but by the sounds of it you lads don't care about the animal after the trigger is pulled where as i enjoy going out with the gun or dogs and preparing and eating what iv got when I get home and im not a weekend hunter either im out most days. it seems to me its all about the kill to you lads and that's where we differ and I don't think that's going to change any time soon. would you shoot a deer with a tank? I doubt it.

[zx10mike 137]

 

 

 

 

I do respect the animals I hunt and shoot I think you have to if we didn't it wouldn't be long before there would be none left. the animal doesn't care if its left to rot in the field its dead but I do, there's no point in killing something to just leave it there when its good food. fun is only a part of hunting/shooting for me its not the hole point. I don't see the point in waste.

You may not see the point in waste but to others the point of the exercise is not to produce a harvest but to actually remove vermin I have no respect for what I kill I give it no second thought there is no need for sentiment I'm paid and expected to do a job I enjoy that is killing vermin and producing game for others to kill my harvest is the money in the bank at the end of the month and my only concern is that what I do is humane and when it comes to making things dead you can never have too much gun.

 

well I can understand your way of thinking a little more now I know its your job but we will never agree on the to much gun thing, respect or waste. I suppose the difference between us is you make money from it and it costs me money plus I do it for food. we can go on at each other all night and still not agree on anything so I think we'll have to agree to disagree. atb mate.

 

 

I'm not sure I have followed the too much gun business, the Police with the condition AOLQ are perfectly happy for a shooter to use a .308 on a mouse, admittedly an original grant for this purpose would be very unlikely, but why not, dead is dead.

 

respect and waste?

I respect and admire the fox a lot, but it has never stopped me pulling the trigger, and what would you do with a sack full of crows then?

 

So are you saying you don't shoot foxes or crows or rats or gulls etc.?

 

Pest Control is a business for which the client expect results, he does not expect you to manage the population to provide you some sport for next year, he wants his problems solved.

 

ATB!

 

I do shoot fox's as I said before its the only animal I shoot that doesn't go to good use, as for crows and rats the ferret and cats will get them mind I don't shoot many rats im in the country surrounded by grass fields and I don't see many. if you use a .308 to head shot rabbits and use the carcass then its not to much gun but by the sounds of it you lads don't care about the animal after the trigger is pulled where as i enjoy going out with the gun or dogs and preparing and eating what iv got when I get home and im not a weekend hunter either im out most days. it seems to me its all about the kill to you lads and that's where we differ and I don't think that's going to change any time soon. would you shoot a deer with a tank? I doubt it.

 

i would i put in for a variation but they said no

the thing is pal that my farmers i shoot for would soon give another shooter your permission if you did not cull baby rabbits before they even get started.your shoot sound like an idealistic set up but by me you cull what you are told because if the farmer sees a nice chewed margin round his crop he aint happy.

[bobjs 28]

 

 

 

 

 

I do respect the animals I hunt and shoot I think you have to if we didn't it wouldn't be long before there would be none left. the animal doesn't care if its left to rot in the field its dead but I do, there's no point in killing something to just leave it there when its good food. fun is only a part of hunting/shooting for me its not the hole point. I don't see the point in waste.

You may not see the point in waste but to others the point of the exercise is not to produce a harvest but to actually remove vermin I have no respect for what I kill I give it no second thought there is no need for sentiment I'm paid and expected to do a job I enjoy that is killing vermin and producing game for others to kill my harvest is the money in the bank at the end of the month and my only concern is that what I do is humane and when it comes to making things dead you can never have too much gun.

 

well I can understand your way of thinking a little more now I know its your job but we will never agree on the to much gun thing, respect or waste. I suppose the difference between us is you make money from it and it costs me money plus I do it for food. we can go on at each other all night and still not agree on anything so I think we'll have to agree to disagree. atb mate.

 

 

I'm not sure I have followed the too much gun business, the Police with the condition AOLQ are perfectly happy for a shooter to use a .308 on a mouse, admittedly an original grant for this purpose would be very unlikely, but why not, dead is dead.

 

respect and waste?

I respect and admire the fox a lot, but it has never stopped me pulling the trigger, and what would you do with a sack full of crows then?

 

So are you saying you don't shoot foxes or crows or rats or gulls etc.?

 

Pest Control is a business for which the client expect results, he does not expect you to manage the population to provide you some sport for next year, he wants his problems solved.

 

ATB!

 

I do shoot fox's as I said before its the only animal I shoot that doesn't go to good use, as for crows and rats the ferret and cats will get them mind I don't shoot many rats im in the country surrounded by grass fields and I don't see many. if you use a .308 to head shot rabbits and use the carcass then its not to much gun but by the sounds of it you lads don't care about the animal after the trigger is pulled where as i enjoy going out with the gun or dogs and preparing and eating what iv got when I get home and im not a weekend hunter either im out most days. it seems to me its all about the kill to you lads and that's where we differ and I don't think that's going to change any time soon. would you shoot a deer with a tank? I doubt it.

 

i would i put in for a variation but they said no

the thing is pal that my farmers i shoot for would soon give another shooter your permission if you did not cull baby rabbits before they even get started.your shoot sound like an idealistic set up but by me you cull what you are told because if the farmer sees a nice chewed margin round his crop he aint happy.

 

Its the same for me,

 

i shoot on the estate here where i work, and if the head keeper says got shot of them then thats what happens,

 

I don't have many shoots left since i sold most of my gear but what i do have i have to do as im told or ill loose them too.

 

I was once told (very rudly on another forum that, there is no such thing as over kill) dead is dead.

 

regards

 

bob.

[alan81 110]

it seems shooting in Ireland is very different than it is in Britten or am I only talking to game keepers where its your job?. I only know one farmer who doesn't allow hunting on his land and he's a right fukcer. everyone hunts everywhere over here so there's no chance of loosing shooting ground and with so many people all hunting the same ground there's no big numbers to control also there's not many shooting estate's here not that I know of anyway just a few so there's not to many people employed through shooting so we don't have to keep a certain farmer/keeper happy.

[zx10mike 137]

no no its the same here pikeys shoot where they want

[Alsone 789]

no no its the same here pikeys shoot where they want

 

ROFL. Hope Mike takes that in good humour.

Edited October 14, 2013 by Alsone