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7 minutes ago, Victor_84 said:

I will not argue

Im not arguing mate just expressing an opinion, reading that article sort of proves what im trying to say, the jagdterriers qualities were forged in an artificial enviroment where our proper working terriers qualities were forged below ground in proper earths where great dogs have to do a lot more than run up to their quarry and grab a hold of it, that why our working terrier breeds on the whole are far better "workng" terriers, again jmho

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A decent working terrier chooses to do combat under the sod,too the death, against an opponent sometimes 4/5 times its weight/size,no space, limited oxygen etc ...when dogs are matched their the same

I’m looking forward to this seeing this little chap working if he does work… he’s only about 6 months and fingers crossed he stays the size he is. 

this question has been done to death 100 times on here, and as for the "a long time since the bull was anything but a show dog"... hinks created it for the show ring! athletic LOOKS do not mean the

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19 minutes ago, Bakerboy said:

Im not arguing mate just expressing an opinion, reading that article sort of proves what im trying to say, the jagdterriers qualities were forged in an artificial enviroment where our proper working terriers qualities were forged below ground in proper earths where great dogs have to do a lot more than run up to their quarry and grab a hold of it, that why our working terrier breeds on the whole are far better "workng" terriers, again jmho

There are such disputes in the community. This is the eternal holywar )

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54 minutes ago, Bakerboy said:

Im not arguing mate just expressing an opinion, reading that article sort of proves what im trying to say, the jagdterriers qualities were forged in an artificial enviroment where our proper working terriers qualities were forged below ground in proper earths where great dogs have to do a lot more than run up to their quarry and grab a hold of it, that why our working terrier breeds on the whole are far better "workng" terriers, again 

It's the same with the wheaten trials.

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Victor_84, what's the criac with the Ural Hunter Kennel that you mention, The Fox Terriers. That phenotype of terrier is the product of English show breeding, we never worked a dog of that type. It fascinates me that people in other countries find them capable of work. 

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We usually used fox terriers, dachshunds and welsh terriers, then jagd terriers. Border terriers have also appeared relatively recently.

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