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[bshadle 5]

Are you aware that terrier trials have been delayed due to people protesting the use of rats as bait?

If that happens here in Pa. it's a simple matter to call the police and/or game commission and have the protesters hauled away. Our Pa. game laws here specifically authorize field trials for working dogs, and the law prohibiting interference with hunting specifically extends to all activities authorized in the game laws.

 

That's not to say the protesters can't try to interfere, but it should be a slam-dunk on them if they do. Admittedly, the world is not perfect.

[Autumnbriar 0]

bshadle,

 

I was aware of the Laws your refering to this, as I used to run coonhounds as well, and several live Coons are used in trials, not the same as night hunts).

 

I think the sports/hunts that have contact between dog and quarry (other that retrieving) is what will be in most danger.

 

I would just like to see more concern and there is just so few people who pay attention. I do believe the anti's are targeting the housing of hunting dogs, as a form of trying to stop hunting, with dogs anyway.

Edited May 5, 2007 by Autumnbriar

[bshadle 5]

bshadle,

 

I was aware of the Laws your refering to this, as I used to run coonhounds as well, and Coons are used.

 

I think the sports/hunts that have contact between dog and quarry (other that retrieving) is what will be in most danger.

 

I would just like to see more concern and there is just so few people who pay attention. I do believe the anti's are targeting the housing of hunting dogs, as a form of trying to stop hunting, with dogs anyway.

Figured you were probably aware of those laws.

 

The proposed kennel regulations, from what I understand, were targetting some of the worst puppy mills rather than hunters. From what I've seen here in Lebanon County and neighboring Lancaster County as well as a few other places, SOME of them need targetting. Of course, if you choose to not follow or not enforce existing laws, I don't know that adding more laws is going to make a difference. Even at that, a pretty large coalition of sportsmen and small volume breeders convinced the Dept. of Ag to re-think their proposals.

 

You certainly could be right that the antis are using this issue for other than its intended purpose, but IMO that's not currently the case. And finally, not to pick a fight or anything, but there're more people paying attention and working behind the scenes than you might imagine. Just some of us are old, been around the block a few times, and don't like to cry "Wolf" unless we're sure it's really after the flock. Personally, I can only maintain a feverish pitch for so long anymore before I have to go sit down and rest awhile.

[Autumnbriar 0]

Point taken... glad to here your up on things as well.

 

I think the part that was most concerning was the number of hours they were trying to say a dog can be tethered, or kenneled.

 

Yes the laws were originally targeting commercial kennels, but lets us not forget who is behind the govener now... his hand Selected group, Several former HSUS agents. These guys always try with the big net first then they start picking it apart until they have enough to start twisting.

[DeanD 3]

Autumnbriar, I've spoken with the department of natural resources several times regarding hunting and specifically with terriers in using them for nuisance animal control. In my area I give our wardens plenty of credit... they don't like the anti's any more than you or I. The DNR here supports what we do so long as you follow their rules... get the proper licenses. Anyone working their terriers should firstly look up their states DNR licensing and regulations, then find their specific laws regarding Nuisance Trapping and apply for the license. Nuisance Trapping covers a wide range of methods, including the use of dogs... that and as a state licensed N.T. you can charge IF you want to. My state requires the animal be disposed of within 24 hours as humanely as possible. The wording is what a person needs to mind as much of it is open for interpretation, if the control measure used isn't listed you'll often find words listed at the end such as "or otherwise".

 

As I said, I've talked with the DNR here and they have no issues with terriers going to ground on nuisance ghogs etc... its a very effective method which is the goal in removing such vermin. As for the dog getting on its game... well... neither you nor I can control a dog completely when its underground, out of sight and perhaps cannot hear. It goes with the job in many instances, sure you can pick just a baying type but why when the baying types that will work or produce workers are few and far between not to mention most of the jack owners seem to think they are sitting on pots of gold, spewing out names of show dogs in their lines when you talk to them. :guitar2: I'll take the terrier that goes straight to work with no feck'n around and doesn't cost like a used car or truck. A good dog is where you find it... some people won't realize that, some try and never will... but its true. Jmo...