Beardie or Border

[canaliculata 28]

I cant understand why the beardie isnt much more widely used used in the make up of rabbiting lurchers..., they have so many good attributes to add.

[rob284 1,682]

beardie are harder to train. can be hard work. apparently.

[beast 1,884]

Beast...

 

"They are often hyper up to about 18 months, but then a lot of dogs are. they are also a nightmare if you try to keep em kenneled all week aqnd just take em out on a sunday! they really really need to get exercise and stimulation EVERY DAY."

 

Hyper is not a term I would ever level at a Beardie or a Beardie lurcher. Bull in a china shop or full on yes hyper definitely not. It's a case of engaging the biggest brain in dogdum before steaming in.

 

I firmly agree with your second comment however, but this can apply to any intelligent dog not just Beardies.

 

yeah i meant more about border crosses being hyper, but most puppies are prone to overexcitement until a year or more. but sure i agree any dog really should get exercise and stimulation daily just some can take lack of attention better than collie types do!!!!!

[Rake aboot 4,936]

Magpie > just picking up on your point about you found beardies suit your own temperament, I also think this is why some folk may prefer the border as apposed to beardie because the borders temp suits them and as you say both types may not suit some folk either,

 

personaly I,ve never had a beardie type but I,ve had two borders ( or three if you count the whippet lol ) and they suit me fine

 

both border collie types I,ve had have also had bull in the mix so maybe this has helped to cancel out any nervousness, not sure on that one though

 

I may have a dog in the future with with a mix of beardie/border (maybe )

 

 

Oh aye,,, where`s that comin fae then !! lol

[beast 1,884]

Thorny.....He's not overthinking, he's just learning. remember how hard you had to concentrate when you were learning to drive but you still made mistakes but now you drive miles and miles without errors but dont even need to think about it. let him keep making mistakes and i bet a lot of money that in a year or two he will be a very clever daytime dog that picks up a lot of game that you never thought he would.......

 

as for border crosses being over sensitive, not all of them are!! but if you do get a "soft" one then its really important how you handle it, you can still create a confident outgoing dog but lose your temper even a bit and you spoil the dog. be patient and calm and quiet and the dog will respond

[Magpie 102]

I cant understand why the beardie isnt much more widely used used in the make up of rabbiting lurchers..., they have so many good attributes to add.

 

I guess it's down to the availability of genuine working Beardie blood. Despite the fact that when you start looking there are quite a few out there folk would rather go for the easier option of using a Border.

 

Beardies are more of a challenge the most Border bred dogs. There are some 'stock dog' type Borders that display very similar temperaments to Beardies, but on the whole they are a harder dog to train and work with. The are very intelligent dogs after all and they know their own mind. If they don't want to do something they won't do it simple as that. I'm bit, no a lot like that myself. Show encouragement and appreciation and we'll both roll over for a tummy tickle. :laugh:

 

I also think Mr Plummer did quite a bit of damage with his "weirdy Beardie" bollocks. Funny how he ended up buying all of Tom Muirheads pack of Beardies, but then he saw money in producing "working Beardies" or was it Spanial crosses.

 

Most of what the general lurcher public know about Beardies has come from Plummers books or "works of fiction". I urge any would be Beardie lurcher enthusiast to ignore a vast majority of the babble written by Plummer and his cronies and do your own home work.

[KittleRox 2,147]

Magpie > just picking up on your point about you found beardies suit your own temperament, I also think this is why some folk may prefer the border as apposed to beardie because the borders temp suits them and as you say both types may not suit some folk either,

 

personaly I,ve never had a beardie type but I,ve had two borders ( or three if you count the whippet lol ) and they suit me fine

 

both border collie types I,ve had have also had bull in the mix so maybe this has helped to cancel out any nervousness, not sure on that one though

 

I may have a dog in the future with with a mix of beardie/border (maybe )

 

 

Oh aye,,, where`s that comin fae then !! lol

[thorny 100]

Thorny.....He's not overthinking, he's just learning. remember how hard you had to concentrate when you were learning to drive but you still made mistakes but now you drive miles and miles without errors but dont even need to think about it. let him keep making mistakes and i bet a lot of money that in a year or two he will be a very clever daytime dog that picks up a lot of game that you never thought he would.......

 

as for border crosses being over sensitive, not all of them are!! but if you do get a "soft" one then its really important how you handle it, you can still create a confident outgoing dog but lose your temper even a bit and you spoil the dog. be patient and calm and quiet and the dog will respond

I am enjoying watching him do his thing, he is a very full of charactor dog, that i will enjoy having as my hunting buddy until he has no more to give, good or bad

[my hounds 309]

Magpie,a really informative post well written,I like the look of your dogs,I've only owned one beardie cross and she was something very special to all the family not just me,endless stamina and a joy to work on anything fur or feather,atb,WM

Agree,and some great replys.

[morton 5,368]

I cant understand why the beardie isnt much more widely used used in the make up of rabbiting lurchers..., they have so many good attributes to add.

 

I guess it's down to the availability of genuine working Beardie blood. Despite the fact that when you start looking there are quite a few out there folk would rather go for the easier option of using a Border.

 

Beardies are more of a challenge the most Border bred dogs. There are some 'stock dog' type Borders that display very similar temperaments to Beardies, but on the whole they are a harder dog to train and work with. The are very intelligent dogs after all and they know their own mind. If they don't want to do something they won't do it simple as that. I'm bit, no a lot like that myself. Show encouragement and appreciation and we'll both roll over for a tummy tickle. :laugh:

 

I also think Mr Plummer did quite a bit of damage with his "weirdy Beardie" bollocks. Funny how he ended up buying all of Tom Muirheads pack of Beardies, but then he saw money in producing "working Beardies" or was it Spanial crosses.

 

Most of what the general lurcher public know about Beardies has come from Plummers books or "works of fiction". I urge any would be Beardie lurcher enthusiast to ignore a vast majority of the babble written by Plummer and his cronies and do your own home work.

I don,t see how using the right Border[from genuine working stock,bred over many,many generations]is the easier option.I live on the edge of the Dales,its all sheep farming country round here,every sheep farmer as a Collie,its the most important tool at his disposal,the farmers will never ever look for an inferior animal,the dogs they use are the ultimate in canine evolution,nothing can compete at their level,for the job in hand.I have never yet,in this area,seen a working Beardie,thats why i prefer the Border,farmers,especially hill farmers won,t settle for second best,why should lurcher owners.

[Magpie 102]

I cant understand why the beardie isnt much more widely used used in the make up of rabbiting lurchers..., they have so many good attributes to add.

 

I guess it's down to the availability of genuine working Beardie blood. Despite the fact that when you start looking there are quite a few out there folk would rather go for the easier option of using a Border.

 

Beardies are more of a challenge the most Border bred dogs. There are some 'stock dog' type Borders that display very similar temperaments to Beardies, but on the whole they are a harder dog to train and work with. The are very intelligent dogs after all and they know their own mind. If they don't want to do something they won't do it simple as that. I'm bit, no a lot like that myself. Show encouragement and appreciation and we'll both roll over for a tummy tickle. :laugh:

 

I also think Mr Plummer did quite a bit of damage with his "weirdy Beardie" bollocks. Funny how he ended up buying all of Tom Muirheads pack of Beardies, but then he saw money in producing "working Beardies" or was it Spanial crosses.

 

Most of what the general lurcher public know about Beardies has come from Plummers books or "works of fiction". I urge any would be Beardie lurcher enthusiast to ignore a vast majority of the babble written by Plummer and his cronies and do your own home work.

I don,t see how using the right Border[from genuine working stock,bred over many,many generations]is the easier option.I live on the edge of the Dales,its all sheep farming country round here,every sheep farmer as a Collie,its the most important tool at his disposal,the farmers will never ever look for an inferior animal,the dogs they use are the ultimate in canine evolution,nothing can compete at their level,for the job in hand.I have never yet,in this area,seen a working Beardie,thats why i prefer the Border,farmers,especially hill farmers won,t settle for second best,why should lurcher owners.

 

Perhaps you should cast you eye a little further afield then fella.

 

What I meant by 'easier option' was that finding a good quality working Border is far easier than finding it's Beardie counter part.

 

To my knowledge the Dales have never been a strong hold for the Beardie unlike the Highland, Islands and borders of Scotland, the Welsh mountains the southern counties and latter day Norfolk and Suffolk. A quick flick through one of Col D Hancocks excellent canine history books will, I think prove my point.

 

Arh your probably right though mate Beardies are shit, best leave them be ah.

[Magpie 102]

Thanks for the considered reply Magpie.....always a pleasure to read your posts mate

 

Thanks Stabs mate, I take that as quite a compliment.

[KittleRox 2,147]

Is there beardie/ border rivalry/ arguments lol on the colliecur forum ?

[darbo 4,776]

there are very few arguments. a very good site with knowlegable people on.

[KittleRox 2,147]

only on THL then lol