the man or the dog?

[BIG G wheton machine 1,594]

good topic tc, my opinion is we can train the pup in mannerism, obedience, stock breaking and the quarry its to hunt/kill, give it a good diet,bed and exersize and by breeding certain types for certain quarry helps. i also believe its down to confidence in the we dog and building its confidence by keeping it winning in its early apprenticship gives it self belief as it matures. but we can only give it the tools for the job then its down to the dog as to wether it can see the job through. i believe its down to the amount of heart in the dog to get going when the going gets tough. bit like when bruno fought tyson he looked the piece had the tools to win but folded like wet bogroll when the bell went to start boxing lol. but good topic and good to how much we differ in our methods :victory:

tosh bruno had him going and backed off rather than going in to finish him

if i remember right big frank showed the chinks in his armour

wasnt big bruno it was buster douglas that first defeated tyson and tyson even admitted douglas wasnt even a great boxer but that night he had the heart and fought like a man possesed

[birddog 1,354]

good topic tc, my opinion is we can train the pup in mannerism, obedience, stock breaking and the quarry its to hunt/kill, give it a good diet,bed and exersize and by breeding certain types for certain quarry helps. i also believe its down to confidence in the we dog and building its confidence by keeping it winning in its early apprenticship gives it self belief as it matures. but we can only give it the tools for the job then its down to the dog as to wether it can see the job through. i believe its down to the amount of heart in the dog to get going when the going gets tough. bit like when bruno fought tyson he looked the piece had the tools to win but folded like wet bogroll when the bell went to start boxing lol. but good topic and good to how much we differ in our methods :victory:

tosh bruno had him going and backed off rather than going in to finish him

and that shows that h didnt have the heart or killing instinct to do the job. he had the schooling and trainning best medical care and grub and was beaten before the bell even went because he wasnt mentally right. and it shows thru even today cos hes in and out of the nut house.......

maybe it shows he had the natural size, strength co ordination etc but wasn't schooled right and if he'd been taught his job properly he'd have known when to go in for the finish........like i said it's down to the trainer

it just showed its not the size of the dog in the fight, is the size of the fight in the dog. lewis and cooper was far better, and at 13st what about the legend marciano never beaten as a heavyweight and he had heart to do ten men

would marciano have been as good with bruno's trainer? would bruno have been unstoppable with marciano's trainer? tyson was unstoppable till he lost gus d'amato....it's the trainer

[BIG G wheton machine 1,594]

good topic tc, my opinion is we can train the pup in mannerism, obedience, stock breaking and the quarry its to hunt/kill, give it a good diet,bed and exersize and by breeding certain types for certain quarry helps. i also believe its down to confidence in the we dog and building its confidence by keeping it winning in its early apprenticship gives it self belief as it matures. but we can only give it the tools for the job then its down to the dog as to wether it can see the job through. i believe its down to the amount of heart in the dog to get going when the going gets tough. bit like when bruno fought tyson he looked the piece had the tools to win but folded like wet bogroll when the bell went to start boxing lol. but good topic and good to how much we differ in our methods :victory:

tosh bruno had him going and backed off rather than going in to finish him

and that shows that h didnt have the heart or killing instinct to do the job. he had the schooling and trainning best medical care and grub and was beaten before the bell even went because he wasnt mentally right. and it shows thru even today cos hes in and out of the nut house.......

maybe it shows he had the natural size, strength co ordination etc but wasn't schooled right and if he'd been taught his job properly he'd have known when to go in for the finish........like i said it's down to the trainer

it just showed its not the size of the dog in the fight, is the size of the fight in the dog. lewis and cooper was far better, and at 13st what about the legend marciano never beaten as a heavyweight and he had heart to do ten men

did he keep lurchers

duno ill have a seyonce later and ask him. im just using boxing as an example to show that just because size doesnt mean best its natural talent and ability mixed with the right trainning etc that makes the great rise above the rest so i think that its equal on both behalfs to contribute to greatness

[Adam_Chuck 256]

I agree it's the trainer they must know when the dog is ready ie starting to early. Same applies for boxing a good trainer after spending a full fight camp with the fighter should know what his mental state is, know what pumps him up and keeps him going but also when to stop. Also dogs aren't robots they have bad nights/days just like fighters. It's up to the trainer to recognise the faults and work to build on them.

[Hoker 79]

well you cant put in what god left out an that goes for man an dog

[BLACKWATER... 157]

to get a good dog you need to no dogs and breeding only way there no shortcuts just trail and error at times , but if youre clever about it , you can come good ,it takes years of expierence in the feild mistakes and sucsess , some never go forward others strive to go forward

[TROY_BOY 62]

so simple YOU CANT WIN THE DERBY WITH A DONKEY NO MATTER WHO YOU ARE

[rosco2 6]

The good dog men who treat them well regarding food bedding excerise and who have good field nohow always seem to have the best dogs

[BLACKWATER... 157]

very true rosco but cant be got out of abook or internet im afraid

[killing crew 2,708]

the man

[FUJI 17,154]

do you think its the man behind the dog that makes a good running dog or is it the dog that makes the man??

 

It's far easier to ruin a good dog then it is to turn a poor dog into something it was never destined to be...if you ain't got the proper tools for the job then your onto a losing battle .ATB Andy.

[juckler123 707]

Seen plenty of men feck a good dog up and also seen a few men make a rubbish dog good got to be the man everytime.

Edited April 25, 2012 by juckler123

[sowhat 1,572]

Seen plenty of men feck a good dog up and also seen a few men make a rubbish dog good got to be the man everytime.

 

Know what you mean, but the dog can't have been that rubbish in the 1st place if it turned out good

[juckler123 707]

True it was in there to start with but the owner couldnt see it my old mate was a sod for spotting good dogs with kids hed let them come out with him a few times and tell them the dog was no good then offer to buy it off them i swear some kids are better than adults at entering reckon its the keeness rubbing off on the dog.

Edited April 25, 2012 by juckler123

[BrianSteven72 369]

i always say the dog has to have the basic tools to start with like pace and a bit of brain after that its all down to the trainer