the man or the dog?

[robwelsh 354]

It all comes down to picking the pup in the beginning..the one that takes intrest in you the most..how healthy it is etc is a good base to start on ..then if your just getting into it ,read as much as u can about maintaining the dog of your choice and what the job in hand is..and most people slag off books etc and get first hand experience ..but filling your head with as much knowledge in the first places takes effort and if you don't put effort in you won't get f**k all back.. take your time with any running dog some more than others and you won't go far wrong. Everyman is equal at being a good owner ,its the man himself who decides to better himself and his partner

[birddog 1,354]

interesting.... page 4 and no mention of feeding or conditioning ! experienced guys recognise quality breeding, can pick a good pup, rear it properly, school it in whatever discipline it's intended for, enter it when it's ready, etc. good guys recognise that every dog is an individual and feed and condition it appropriately to get the best from it. lesser handlers pick a pup on the spur of the moment, are slack with the schooling, enter them too early, and give every dog the same food and exercise so 99% of their dogs end up average, occasionally they get a pup that suits their regime and it turns out good. for me it's all about the man

[troter58 1,711]

old saying you only get out what you put in ie feed and time fetched on right no such thing as a bad dog only bad dog men who give up on a young dog to soon because there mate as a dog same age doing a bit for me its the man who makes the dog atb troter

[Phil Lloyd 10,738]

old saying you only get out what you put in ie feed and time fetched on right no such thing as a bad dog only bad dog men who give up on a young dog to soon because there mate as a dog same age doing a bit for me its the man who makes the dog atb troter

 

No offence fellah,...but I think that old saying is full of ambiguities,..

There are certainly a fair few dogs that , whilst one could never call them bad, are not going to be suitable, as hunting partners..and no matter what you put into them,..it just ain't gonna produce what you require...and that is the truth...

[Guest Moscow]

like to here your veiws on this one lads! do you think its the man behind the dog that makes a good running dog or is it the dog that makes the man?? keep it clean now!!!!

 

 

 

A handy animal will shine threw kept in the poorest of conditions by the worst dog handler but it will never reach its full potential.

 

An average dog kept in the best conditions by an experienced handler will reach its full potential and be kept around that potential.

 

As for the saying you get what you put in, yes this can be true if its in there to get out but no matter how good the man is if its not in there it cannot come out.

[paulus 26]

a good dog man is more likely going to ensure he starts with a pup with the correct credentials in the first place giving him a head start on success. and wont be swayed by fads and fashions

[bird 9,970]

old saying you only get out what you put in ie feed and time fetched on right no such thing as a bad dog only bad dog men who give up on a young dog to soon because there mate as a dog same age doing a bit for me its the man who makes the dog atb troter

 

No offence fellah,...but I think that old saying is full of ambiguities,..

There are certainly a fair few dogs that , whilst one could never call them bad, are not going to be suitable, as hunting partners..and no matter what you put into them,..it just ain't gonna produce what you require...and that is the truth...

 

true , you get litter of pups from proven dogs , that are good workers. Say 8 pups in the litter , you might only get 4-5 pups as good as the parents, the rest not bad , but never as good as the rest its nature. It dont matter how you train them+ bring up , if it aint there thats it ,it dont matter who you are .!!

[BIG G wheton machine 1,594]

good topic tc, my opinion is we can train the pup in mannerism, obedience, stock breaking and the quarry its to hunt/kill, give it a good diet,bed and exersize and by breeding certain types for certain quarry helps. i also believe its down to confidence in the we dog and building its confidence by keeping it winning in its early apprenticship gives it self belief as it matures. but we can only give it the tools for the job then its down to the dog as to wether it can see the job through. i believe its down to the amount of heart in the dog to get going when the going gets tough. bit like when bruno fought tyson he looked the piece had the tools to win but folded like wet bogroll when the bell went to start boxing lol. but good topic and good to how much we differ in our methods :victory:

[birddog 1,354]

good topic tc, my opinion is we can train the pup in mannerism, obedience, stock breaking and the quarry its to hunt/kill, give it a good diet,bed and exersize and by breeding certain types for certain quarry helps. i also believe its down to confidence in the we dog and building its confidence by keeping it winning in its early apprenticship gives it self belief as it matures. but we can only give it the tools for the job then its down to the dog as to wether it can see the job through. i believe its down to the amount of heart in the dog to get going when the going gets tough. bit like when bruno fought tyson he looked the piece had the tools to win but folded like wet bogroll when the bell went to start boxing lol. but good topic and good to how much we differ in our methods :victory:

tosh bruno had him going and backed off rather than going in to finish him

[BIG G wheton machine 1,594]

good topic tc, my opinion is we can train the pup in mannerism, obedience, stock breaking and the quarry its to hunt/kill, give it a good diet,bed and exersize and by breeding certain types for certain quarry helps. i also believe its down to confidence in the we dog and building its confidence by keeping it winning in its early apprenticship gives it self belief as it matures. but we can only give it the tools for the job then its down to the dog as to wether it can see the job through. i believe its down to the amount of heart in the dog to get going when the going gets tough. bit like when bruno fought tyson he looked the piece had the tools to win but folded like wet bogroll when the bell went to start boxing lol. but good topic and good to how much we differ in our methods :victory:

tosh bruno had him going and backed off rather than going in to finish him

and that shows that h didnt have the heart or killing instinct to do the job. he had the schooling and trainning best medical care and grub and was beaten before the bell even went because he wasnt mentally right. and it shows thru even today cos hes in and out of the nut house.......

[birddog 1,354]

good topic tc, my opinion is we can train the pup in mannerism, obedience, stock breaking and the quarry its to hunt/kill, give it a good diet,bed and exersize and by breeding certain types for certain quarry helps. i also believe its down to confidence in the we dog and building its confidence by keeping it winning in its early apprenticship gives it self belief as it matures. but we can only give it the tools for the job then its down to the dog as to wether it can see the job through. i believe its down to the amount of heart in the dog to get going when the going gets tough. bit like when bruno fought tyson he looked the piece had the tools to win but folded like wet bogroll when the bell went to start boxing lol. but good topic and good to how much we differ in our methods :victory:

tosh bruno had him going and backed off rather than going in to finish him

and that shows that h didnt have the heart or killing instinct to do the job. he had the schooling and trainning best medical care and grub and was beaten before the bell even went because he wasnt mentally right. and it shows thru even today cos hes in and out of the nut house.......

maybe it shows he had the natural size, strength co ordination etc but wasn't schooled right and if he'd been taught his job properly he'd have known when to go in for the finish........like i said it's down to the trainer

[Hoker 79]

good topic tc, my opinion is we can train the pup in mannerism, obedience, stock breaking and the quarry its to hunt/kill, give it a good diet,bed and exersize and by breeding certain types for certain quarry helps. i also believe its down to confidence in the we dog and building its confidence by keeping it winning in its early apprenticship gives it self belief as it matures. but we can only give it the tools for the job then its down to the dog as to wether it can see the job through. i believe its down to the amount of heart in the dog to get going when the going gets tough. bit like when bruno fought tyson he looked the piece had the tools to win but folded like wet bogroll when the bell went to start boxing lol. but good topic and good to how much we differ in our methods :victory:

tosh bruno had him going and backed off rather than going in to finish him

if i remember right big frank showed the chinks in his armour

[sowhat 1,572]

like to here your veiws on this one lads! do you think its the man behind the dog that makes a good running dog or is it the dog that makes the man?? keep it clean now!!!!

 

 

 

A handy animal will shine threw kept in the poorest of conditions by the worst dog handler but it will never reach its full potential.

 

An average dog kept in the best conditions by an experienced handler will reach its full potential and be kept around that potential.

 

As for the saying you get what you put in, yes this can be true if its in there to get out but no matter how good the man is if its not in there it cannot come out.

 

Very true

[BIG G wheton machine 1,594]

good topic tc, my opinion is we can train the pup in mannerism, obedience, stock breaking and the quarry its to hunt/kill, give it a good diet,bed and exersize and by breeding certain types for certain quarry helps. i also believe its down to confidence in the we dog and building its confidence by keeping it winning in its early apprenticship gives it self belief as it matures. but we can only give it the tools for the job then its down to the dog as to wether it can see the job through. i believe its down to the amount of heart in the dog to get going when the going gets tough. bit like when bruno fought tyson he looked the piece had the tools to win but folded like wet bogroll when the bell went to start boxing lol. but good topic and good to how much we differ in our methods :victory:

tosh bruno had him going and backed off rather than going in to finish him

and that shows that h didnt have the heart or killing instinct to do the job. he had the schooling and trainning best medical care and grub and was beaten before the bell even went because he wasnt mentally right. and it shows thru even today cos hes in and out of the nut house.......

maybe it shows he had the natural size, strength co ordination etc but wasn't schooled right and if he'd been taught his job properly he'd have known when to go in for the finish........like i said it's down to the trainer

it just showed its not the size of the dog in the fight, is the size of the fight in the dog. lewis and cooper was far better, and at 13st what about the legend marciano never beaten as a heavyweight and he had heart to do ten men

[Hoker 79]

good topic tc, my opinion is we can train the pup in mannerism, obedience, stock breaking and the quarry its to hunt/kill, give it a good diet,bed and exersize and by breeding certain types for certain quarry helps. i also believe its down to confidence in the we dog and building its confidence by keeping it winning in its early apprenticship gives it self belief as it matures. but we can only give it the tools for the job then its down to the dog as to wether it can see the job through. i believe its down to the amount of heart in the dog to get going when the going gets tough. bit like when bruno fought tyson he looked the piece had the tools to win but folded like wet bogroll when the bell went to start boxing lol. but good topic and good to how much we differ in our methods :victory:

tosh bruno had him going and backed off rather than going in to finish him

and that shows that h didnt have the heart or killing instinct to do the job. he had the schooling and trainning best medical care and grub and was beaten before the bell even went because he wasnt mentally right. and it shows thru even today cos hes in and out of the nut house.......

maybe it shows he had the natural size, strength co ordination etc but wasn't schooled right and if he'd been taught his job properly he'd have known when to go in for the finish........like i said it's down to the trainer

it just showed its not the size of the dog in the fight, is the size of the fight in the dog. lewis and cooper was far better, and at 13st what about the legend marciano never beaten as a heavyweight and he had heart to do ten men

did he keep lurchers