drug dealers??

[paulus 26]

Paulus, you might be interested to have a look at the origins of heroin.

 

It was/is a completely safe drug, and used to be issued as standard for pain relief, with prominent members of society injecting for years with no I'll effects, including judges, directors, policemen, teachers and the rest...

 

The reason it is so deadly nowadays is mostly because of how it is cut, and what's really in it. If it were legalised it would be manufactured properly, and distributed accordingly, probably cutting the amount of police needed in the country instantly.

 

Addicts don't rob people and sell their bodies for their next fix, they do it because their 'fix', to use cocaine as an example, is on average only 14% pure. The rest being made up with dog worming tablets, dextrose etc.

So they don't get the desired effects and when a gram is bought, they're only getting the effects of 15% of that.

 

Because the purity varies, you never know how much you're really injecting: wouldn't happen with legal stuff.

 

The arguement for it is immense believe it or not!

so you think just because it was legalised then all the dealers are going to go away, get real they will cut it even more and undercut the legal stuff. if they carnt control supply now how will they do it then, give it away for free

 

You're right they can't control supply...

 

But it's already illegal so nothing more can be done!

No the dealers won't go away, they will still sell it to avoid tax etc, but if you were an addict would you buy £20 worth of pure heroin? Or £20 of pure shit that's been cut god knows how many times?

 

Another point is the associated health problems, and the subsequent cost on the NHS payed for by us.

If it were properly manufactured you wouldn't have people injecting brick dust into their bodies.

im sorry but your trying to convince the unconvincable ive seen the misery the shit causes first hand. the dealers would just undercut any goverment body that sold it. they would buy the £20 pure say thank you very much, cut it and resell it cheaper

[PlasticJock 539]

Paulus-----

 

http://flatearthnews.net/footnotes-book/page-28-heroin/whats-wrong-war-against-drugs

[Strong Stuff 2,171]

What came first?

 

The brown people or the enormous drug problem killing British society?

 

Seems simple enough to me.

[paulus 26]

Paulus-----

 

http://flatearthnews...r-against-drugs

i know all that but take ketamin great when used as an animal tranqiliser not so good when taken for a buzz.

[PlasticJock 539]

Paulus-----

 

http://flatearthnews...r-against-drugs

i know all that but take ketamin great when used as an animal tranqiliser not so good when taken for a buzz.

 

But ketamin was designed for animals!

Each to their own mate, if tobacco was introduced now the government said they'd make it class A straight away.

To me it's mostly drug MISUSE. They were mostly designed to do something good, but people misuse them.

It's the people that's the problem, not the drug. It's easier to ban objects than deal with the people responsible (for example the gun laws).

[paulus 26]

Paulus-----

 

http://flatearthnews...r-against-drugs

i know all that but take ketamin great when used as an animal tranqiliser not so good when taken for a buzz.

 

But ketamin was designed for animals!

Each to their own mate, if tobacco was introduced now the government said they'd make it class A straight away.

To me it's mostly drug MISUSE. They were mostly designed to do something good, but people misuse them.

It's the people that's the problem, not the drug. It's easier to ban objects than deal with the people responsible (for example the gun laws).

and therin lies the reason for keeping them illegal. very few people would rob their granny of her wedding ring for a packet of fags.

[Ideation 8,216]

There is a reason why everyone who has headed the governments anti drug task force has retired . . . .saying they should go for legalisation and control, rather than attempts to stamp it out!

 

Anyone who is going on about the drugs etc. . . . . . and drinks themselves. . . . has no right to pass comment.

[PlasticJock 539]

 

Here's a quote from the link I gave above -

 

 

''Enid Bagnold, for example, who wrote the delightful children's novel, National Velvet, was what our politicians now would call 'a junkie', who was prescribed morphine after a hip operation and then spent twelve years injecting up to 350 mgs a day. Enid never - as far as history records - mugged a single person or lost her 'herd instinct', but died quietly in bed at the age of 91.''

[Ideation 8,216]

Paulus-----

 

http://flatearthnews...r-against-drugs

i know all that but take ketamin great when used as an animal tranqiliser not so good when taken for a buzz.

 

But ketamin was designed for animals!

Each to their own mate, if tobacco was introduced now the government said they'd make it class A straight away.

To me it's mostly drug MISUSE. They were mostly designed to do something good, but people misuse them.

It's the people that's the problem, not the drug. It's easier to ban objects than deal with the people responsible (for example the gun laws).

and therin lies the reason for keeping them illegal. very few people would rob their granny of her wedding ring for a packet of fags.

 

Lets be honest, it is a minority of substnce misusers who commit crime in the form of robbing the helpless, to get their gear. Just as many people, commmit the above crimes, just for cash, which as part of their lifestyle, will go on drink, and fags.

 

There are c**ts in all walks of life, and good folk as well. That goes for the drug world like owt else.

 

Interestingly, there are more 'social' heroin users, i.e those with families, jobs etc, who fund their drug use through thewir wages, than there are down and dirty 'smack rats'.

 

This is way way way too big a topic to discuss tit for tat over a forum, and very emotive. But i would love t sit down with some of you and have a proper chin wag over it, and take you to see some things . . . .

[paulus 26]

Here's a quote from the link I gave above -

 

 

''Enid Bagnold, for example, who wrote the delightful children's novel, National Velvet, was what our politicians now would call 'a junkie', who was prescribed morphine after a hip operation and then spent twelve years injecting up to 350 mgs a day. Enid never - as far as history records - mugged a single person or lost her 'herd instinct', but died quietly in bed at the age of 91.''

but that is just the point if she couldnt get hold of the morphine after the prescribed period was up she couldnt have become an addict the fact she didnt hurt anyone is not the issue, the issue is she was able to get hold of it,

[paulus 26]

Paulus-----

 

http://flatearthnews...r-against-drugs

i know all that but take ketamin great when used as an animal tranqiliser not so good when taken for a buzz.

 

But ketamin was designed for animals!

Each to their own mate, if tobacco was introduced now the government said they'd make it class A straight away.

To me it's mostly drug MISUSE. They were mostly designed to do something good, but people misuse them.

It's the people that's the problem, not the drug. It's easier to ban objects than deal with the people responsible (for example the gun laws).

and therin lies the reason for keeping them illegal. very few people would rob their granny of her wedding ring for a packet of fags.

 

Lets be honest, it is a minority of substnce misusers who commit crime in the form of robbing the helpless, to get their gear. Just as many people, commmit the above crimes, just for cash, which as part of their lifestyle, will go on drink, and fags.

 

There are c**ts in all walks of life, and good folk as well. That goes for the drug world like owt else.

 

Interestingly, there are more 'social' heroin users, i.e those with families, jobs etc, who fund their drug use through thewir wages, than there are down and dirty 'smack rats'.

 

This is way way way too big a topic to discuss tit for tat over a forum, and very emotive. But i would love t sit down with some of you and have a proper chin wag over it, and take you to see some things . . . .

ive got a family member who`s an addict ive seen some things mate, ive seen him try to commit suicide 3 times, ive seem him rob his dieing mother, ive seen him try to get himself locked up to try to get off it numerous occasions so sorry mate i would be hard to convince anything other than zero tollerance would work.

[PlasticJock 539]

Here's a quote from the link I gave above -

 

 

''Enid Bagnold, for example, who wrote the delightful children's novel, National Velvet, was what our politicians now would call 'a junkie', who was prescribed morphine after a hip operation and then spent twelve years injecting up to 350 mgs a day. Enid never - as far as history records - mugged a single person or lost her 'herd instinct', but died quietly in bed at the age of 91.''

but that is just the point if she couldnt get hold of the morphine after the prescribed period was up she couldnt have become an addict the fact she didnt hurt anyone is not the issue, the issue is she was able to get hold of it,

 

You've just proved my point - she didn't hurt anyone because she was able to get hold of it.

She died at 91 peacefully because she could get hold of it.

Buy it from the black market and you might not be able to get hold of it... Then the problems start.

 

I know it's a long read but I'd read that link fully...

There's no evidence in any way, shape or form to support the governments stance on drugs.

Keeping them banned is a vote winner, end of.

 

As I've said before, I am a big believer in survival of the fittest - children get told what to do, not adults. Let people do what they want, if they kill themselves in the process then tough s**t.

[PlasticJock 539]

Paulus we are living in 'zero tolerance'!!!

And have been for decades

 

So this is where zero tolerance gets us

[paulus 26]

Paulus we are living in 'zero tolerance'!!!

And have been for decades

 

So this is where zero tolerance gets us

no were not, thats the point world politics dictate otherwise its a far bigger picture than you immagine

[paulus 26]

Here's a quote from the link I gave above -

 

 

''Enid Bagnold, for example, who wrote the delightful children's novel, National Velvet, was what our politicians now would call 'a junkie', who was prescribed morphine after a hip operation and then spent twelve years injecting up to 350 mgs a day. Enid never - as far as history records - mugged a single person or lost her 'herd instinct', but died quietly in bed at the age of 91.''

but that is just the point if she couldnt get hold of the morphine after the prescribed period was up she couldnt have become an addict the fact she didnt hurt anyone is not the issue, the issue is she was able to get hold of it,

 

You've just proved my point - she didn't hurt anyone because she was able to get hold of it.

She died at 91 peacefully because she could get hold of it.

Buy it from the black market and you might not be able to get hold of it... Then the problems start.

 

I know it's a long read but I'd read that link fully...

There's no evidence in any way, shape or form to support the governments stance on drugs.

Keeping them banned is a vote winner, end of.

 

As I've said before, I am a big believer in survival of the fittest - children get told what to do, not adults. Let people do what they want, if they kill themselves in the process then tough s**t.

so just because she didnt get hurt anyone its ok for her to be an addict get a grip