blan89 159 Posted March 7, 2012 Report Share Posted March 7, 2012 If you don't like drugs don't take them,and educate your kids about the effects of taking (probably even more important to do that if you do take them) but at the end of the day no-one should have a right to tell anyone else what chemicals they can and cannot willingly ingest,so long as it doesn't directly effect anyone else. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 46,565 Posted March 7, 2012 Report Share Posted March 7, 2012 I have lived a very sheltered life so an explanation would be nice if you can give one, one that's a little better than we can't stop it so we may as well say its ok!!! You can't stop people murdering their wife buts it's hardly a case for making it legal is it! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paulus 26 Posted March 7, 2012 Report Share Posted March 7, 2012 I love this shit, anyone who selss drugs, obvioulsy sells to kids, accepts old ladys pension books, and kills people Deluded, you sound like the daily fecking mail! The biggest damaging factor of drugs, is their illegality, which means that the momeny is put into the hands (for the large part) of those who will use it for other criminal activities, there is no quality control, which makes it a greater health risk, and it criminalises people, leading to the above mentioned situations, whereby it wrecks lifes, etc. It also makes it more difficult to get a job, post conviction, mostly leading to folk continuing to deal. Drugs are here to stay, get used to it, they have alway been here. We need to massivly rethink how we deal with them, and treat it more like a public health issue! Wilf - if i have to answer that, then you obviously have not had much experiance in these fields. Dixi - Do you honestly think i tell my sgc issuer? And do you think said friends would be rich from it, if they were publicly known to be what they are? And you quite correctly say - i see some of the very worse affects, working with the children of serious drug addicts, and children on drugs, but i am still realistic about it all. so if they legalised drugs tomorrow it would solve all the problem? get real the addicts will still be addicts, they will still be a one man crime wave when in need of their next fix .lieing, robbing and cheating everyone to get it, untill eventually ,everybody theyve ever known turns there back on them. they only way to stop people getting addicted is to stop the supply. legalising it wont do anything but harm. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cody. 75 Posted March 7, 2012 Report Share Posted March 7, 2012 who gives a f u c k aslong as your own family are ok and have everything they want f**k everyone eles in this shity world,haha who says the drugs dont work,belive me girls/ladies they do Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dixiebop 125 Posted March 7, 2012 Report Share Posted March 7, 2012 I love this shit, anyone who selss drugs, obvioulsy sells to kids, accepts old ladys pension books, and kills people Deluded, you sound like the daily fecking mail! The biggest damaging factor of drugs, is their illegality, which means that the momeny is put into the hands (for the large part) of those who will use it for other criminal activities, there is no quality control, which makes it a greater health risk, and it criminalises people, leading to the above mentioned situations, whereby it wrecks lifes, etc. It also makes it more difficult to get a job, post conviction, mostly leading to folk continuing to deal. Drugs are here to stay, get used to it, they have alway been here. We need to massivly rethink how we deal with them, and treat it more like a public health issue! Wilf - if i have to answer that, then you obviously have not had much experiance in these fields. Dixi - Do you honestly think i tell my sgc issuer? And do you think said friends would be rich from it, if they were publicly known to be what they are? And you quite correctly say - i see some of the very worse affects, working with the children of serious drug addicts, and children on drugs, but i am still realistic about it all. You may not tell about your associates,Your friends may believe they are not known !There is a File of Criminal convitions ,Yes !,but also Soft Info,intel on most folk in the land an INTELLIGENCE FILE,every time some one is pulled,or with someone that is pulled or under surviellance,you go in the file also,They are getting a pass that is all,Once deemed , source not needed !they will get a pull if seen to be a Problem,if your assoc, were Heavy Enough !you would be politley told to distance yourself ,if seen to be clean yourself.Up here thats how it works,Wales well !!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
foxfan 479 Posted March 7, 2012 Report Share Posted March 7, 2012 I have lived a very sheltered life so an explanation would be nice if you can give one, one that's a little better than we can't stop it so we may as well say its ok!!! You can't stop people murdering their wife buts it's hardly a case for making it legal is it! Hmmm worth thinking about though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
foxfan 479 Posted March 7, 2012 Report Share Posted March 7, 2012 I love this shit, anyone who selss drugs, obvioulsy sells to kids, accepts old ladys pension books, and kills people Deluded, you sound like the daily fecking mail! The biggest damaging factor of drugs, is their illegality, which means that the momeny is put into the hands (for the large part) of those who will use it for other criminal activities, there is no quality control, which makes it a greater health risk, and it criminalises people, leading to the above mentioned situations, whereby it wrecks lifes, etc. It also makes it more difficult to get a job, post conviction, mostly leading to folk continuing to deal. Drugs are here to stay, get used to it, they have alway been here. We need to massivly rethink how we deal with them, and treat it more like a public health issue! Wilf - if i have to answer that, then you obviously have not had much experiance in these fields. Dixi - Do you honestly think i tell my sgc issuer? And do you think said friends would be rich from it, if they were publicly known to be what they are? And you quite correctly say - i see some of the very worse affects, working with the children of serious drug addicts, and children on drugs, but i am still realistic about it all. so if they legalised drugs tomorrow it would solve all the problem? get real the addicts will still be addicts, they will still be a one man crime wave when in need of their next fix .lieing, robbing and cheating everyone to get it, untill eventually ,everybody theyve ever known turns there back on them. they only way to stop people getting addicted is to stop the supply. legalising it wont do anything but harm. http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article28603.htm Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paulus 26 Posted March 7, 2012 Report Share Posted March 7, 2012 I love this shit, anyone who selss drugs, obvioulsy sells to kids, accepts old ladys pension books, and kills people Deluded, you sound like the daily fecking mail! The biggest damaging factor of drugs, is their illegality, which means that the momeny is put into the hands (for the large part) of those who will use it for other criminal activities, there is no quality control, which makes it a greater health risk, and it criminalises people, leading to the above mentioned situations, whereby it wrecks lifes, etc. It also makes it more difficult to get a job, post conviction, mostly leading to folk continuing to deal. Drugs are here to stay, get used to it, they have alway been here. We need to massivly rethink how we deal with them, and treat it more like a public health issue! Wilf - if i have to answer that, then you obviously have not had much experiance in these fields. Dixi - Do you honestly think i tell my sgc issuer? And do you think said friends would be rich from it, if they were publicly known to be what they are? And you quite correctly say - i see some of the very worse affects, working with the children of serious drug addicts, and children on drugs, but i am still realistic about it all. so if they legalised drugs tomorrow it would solve all the problem? get real the addicts will still be addicts, they will still be a one man crime wave when in need of their next fix .lieing, robbing and cheating everyone to get it, untill eventually ,everybody theyve ever known turns there back on them. they only way to stop people getting addicted is to stop the supply. legalising it wont do anything but harm. http://www.informati...rticle28603.htm im not talking about weed Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ideation 8,216 Posted March 7, 2012 Report Share Posted March 7, 2012 I love this shit, anyone who selss drugs, obvioulsy sells to kids, accepts old ladys pension books, and kills people Deluded, you sound like the daily fecking mail! The biggest damaging factor of drugs, is their illegality, which means that the momeny is put into the hands (for the large part) of those who will use it for other criminal activities, there is no quality control, which makes it a greater health risk, and it criminalises people, leading to the above mentioned situations, whereby it wrecks lifes, etc. It also makes it more difficult to get a job, post conviction, mostly leading to folk continuing to deal. Drugs are here to stay, get used to it, they have alway been here. We need to massivly rethink how we deal with them, and treat it more like a public health issue! Wilf - if i have to answer that, then you obviously have not had much experiance in these fields. Dixi - Do you honestly think i tell my sgc issuer? And do you think said friends would be rich from it, if they were publicly known to be what they are? And you quite correctly say - i see some of the very worse affects, working with the children of serious drug addicts, and children on drugs, but i am still realistic about it all. so if they legalised drugs tomorrow it would solve all the problem? get real the addicts will still be addicts, they will still be a one man crime wave when in need of their next fix .lieing, robbing and cheating everyone to get it, untill eventually ,everybody theyve ever known turns there back on them. they only way to stop people getting addicted is to stop the supply. legalising it wont do anything but harm. Well, if our government gave out pure herroin (rather than methodone) it would be cheaper for them, pretty much every addict would sign up for the rehab programme (otherwise no heroin for free), and as such, their need t commit crimes for their gear would stop, there would be no od's as the quality would be fixed, and they could be slowely weaned off in a controlled mannor (most DO want off it) I'm not being funny mate, but if we could stop the supply, dont you think it would have been stopped. Its simple - the war on drugs has failed MASSIVLY, and chucking more money at it will not help, it is time for other avenues to be explored. We stop something like less than 5 % of all the drugs trafficking, so 95% gets through. Stopping supply is not possible - get real. Its time to take it out of the hands of the scum, and be a bit clever about it all. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paulus 26 Posted March 7, 2012 Report Share Posted March 7, 2012 I love this shit, anyone who selss drugs, obvioulsy sells to kids, accepts old ladys pension books, and kills people Deluded, you sound like the daily fecking mail! The biggest damaging factor of drugs, is their illegality, which means that the momeny is put into the hands (for the large part) of those who will use it for other criminal activities, there is no quality control, which makes it a greater health risk, and it criminalises people, leading to the above mentioned situations, whereby it wrecks lifes, etc. It also makes it more difficult to get a job, post conviction, mostly leading to folk continuing to deal. Drugs are here to stay, get used to it, they have alway been here. We need to massivly rethink how we deal with them, and treat it more like a public health issue! Wilf - if i have to answer that, then you obviously have not had much experiance in these fields. Dixi - Do you honestly think i tell my sgc issuer? And do you think said friends would be rich from it, if they were publicly known to be what they are? And you quite correctly say - i see some of the very worse affects, working with the children of serious drug addicts, and children on drugs, but i am still realistic about it all. so if they legalised drugs tomorrow it would solve all the problem? get real the addicts will still be addicts, they will still be a one man crime wave when in need of their next fix .lieing, robbing and cheating everyone to get it, untill eventually ,everybody theyve ever known turns there back on them. they only way to stop people getting addicted is to stop the supply. legalising it wont do anything but harm. Well, if our government gave out pure herroin (rather than methodone) it would be cheaper for them, pretty much every addict would sign up for the rehab programme (otherwise no heroin for free), and as such, their need t commit crimes for their gear would stop, there would be no od's as the quality would be fixed, and they could be slowely weaned off in a controlled mannor (most DO want off it) I'm not being funny mate, but if we could stop the supply, dont you think it would have been stopped. Its simple - the war on drugs has failed MASSIVLY, and chucking more money at it will not help, it is time for other avenues to be explored. We stop something like less than 5 % of all the drugs trafficking, so 95% gets through. Stopping supply is not possible - get real. Its time to take it out of the hands of the scum, and be a bit clever about it all. http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/sep/05/legalisation-drugs-antonio-maria-costa the drug trade needs to be controlled/stopped end of but when world politics are involved it gets messy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PlasticJock 539 Posted March 7, 2012 Report Share Posted March 7, 2012 Paulus, you might be interested to have a look at the origins of heroin. It was/is a completely safe drug, and used to be issued as standard for pain relief, with prominent members of society injecting for years with no I'll effects, including judges, directors, policemen, teachers and the rest... The reason it is so deadly nowadays is mostly because of how it is cut, and what's really in it. If it were legalised it would be manufactured properly, and distributed accordingly, probably cutting the amount of police needed in the country instantly. Addicts don't rob people and sell their bodies for their next fix, they do it because their 'fix', to use cocaine as an example, is on average only 14% pure. The rest being made up with dog worming tablets, dextrose etc. So they don't get the desired effects and when a gram is bought, they're only getting the effects of 15% of that. Because the purity varies, you never know how much you're really injecting: wouldn't happen with legal stuff. The arguement for it is immense believe it or not! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BLACKWATER... 157 Posted March 7, 2012 Report Share Posted March 7, 2012 no time for drugs ,dealers etc not got alot of respect for drugs saw it in all manner of places ,and people ,not a mad drinker either ,zero tolerance is what you need , if they concentrated on drugs like they do the hunting ban at times be a lot better ,if you cant get enough stimulation from life its a bad day Quote Link to post Share on other sites
iworkwhippets 12,505 Posted March 7, 2012 Report Share Posted March 7, 2012 Stimulation from life itself, well said Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paulus 26 Posted March 7, 2012 Report Share Posted March 7, 2012 Paulus, you might be interested to have a look at the origins of heroin. It was/is a completely safe drug, and used to be issued as standard for pain relief, with prominent members of society injecting for years with no I'll effects, including judges, directors, policemen, teachers and the rest... The reason it is so deadly nowadays is mostly because of how it is cut, and what's really in it. If it were legalised it would be manufactured properly, and distributed accordingly, probably cutting the amount of police needed in the country instantly. Addicts don't rob people and sell their bodies for their next fix, they do it because their 'fix', to use cocaine as an example, is on average only 14% pure. The rest being made up with dog worming tablets, dextrose etc. So they don't get the desired effects and when a gram is bought, they're only getting the effects of 15% of that. Because the purity varies, you never know how much you're really injecting: wouldn't happen with legal stuff. The arguement for it is immense believe it or not! so you think just because it was legalised then all the dealers are going to go away, get real they will cut it even more and undercut the legal stuff. if they carnt control supply now how will they do it then, give it away for free Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PlasticJock 539 Posted March 7, 2012 Report Share Posted March 7, 2012 Paulus, you might be interested to have a look at the origins of heroin. It was/is a completely safe drug, and used to be issued as standard for pain relief, with prominent members of society injecting for years with no I'll effects, including judges, directors, policemen, teachers and the rest... The reason it is so deadly nowadays is mostly because of how it is cut, and what's really in it. If it were legalised it would be manufactured properly, and distributed accordingly, probably cutting the amount of police needed in the country instantly. Addicts don't rob people and sell their bodies for their next fix, they do it because their 'fix', to use cocaine as an example, is on average only 14% pure. The rest being made up with dog worming tablets, dextrose etc. So they don't get the desired effects and when a gram is bought, they're only getting the effects of 15% of that. Because the purity varies, you never know how much you're really injecting: wouldn't happen with legal stuff. The arguement for it is immense believe it or not! so you think just because it was legalised then all the dealers are going to go away, get real they will cut it even more and undercut the legal stuff. if they carnt control supply now how will they do it then, give it away for free You're right they can't control supply... But it's already illegal so nothing more can be done! No the dealers won't go away, they will still sell it to avoid tax etc, but if you were an addict would you buy £20 worth of pure heroin? Or £20 of pure shit that's been cut god knows how many times? Another point is the associated health problems, and the subsequent cost on the NHS payed for by us. If it were properly manufactured you wouldn't have people injecting brick dust into their bodies. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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