"Earth!" 503 Posted March 1, 2012 Report Share Posted March 1, 2012 Ouija boards............ :lol: All in the mind. I bet someone'll be saying they've seen a ghost next!! :whistling: Or a big cat 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rob190364 2,594 Posted March 1, 2012 Report Share Posted March 1, 2012 @ Lab - Yes I see what you mean. The medium was recommended by a family friend so they could have told him their son had died.. The thing I can't explain is that he named the injured guy, whose name wasn't known by the family, or anyone in the UK at the time (apart from his family). I've watched documentaries about the techniques they use and it seems quite easy to fool someone. If you ever get a chance, read Carlton Leach's autobiography. He was the main guy in the 'Essex Boys' film/gang. At the beginning of the book, he says that he was in bits about Tony Tucker his best mate dying, so went to a psychic even though he didn't believe in all that. The psychic then told him things that were only known to those two, and beating in mind these guys were drug traffickers they never mentioned half of it to another soul! I think most mediums aren't what they say / think they are, but there are some strange cases that no one can explain... Not being disrespectful towards your friend or his poor family but it makes me cringe to read stories like that where a family in total despair get taken advantage of. Maybe it gave them peace and I suppose there could be something to it but I don't trust mediums, they do seem to target some very vulnerable people. On the other hand if I lost one of my daughters I suppose I would be willing to believe anything so I can see why people would visit those places. It makes me cringe to watch videos of emotionally distressed people getting taking advantage of by these people, but as I said, there's absolutely no way that the guy named an injured person, 3000 miles away, a matter of days after it happened. He also described the corner where it happened. As I said, if someone can offer an explanation I'd love to hear it... When I hear these stories I pick them to pieces before I give them any thought, but as I said whether it truly is paranormal or just unexplained, these things do happen. We all know people can be susceptible to suggestion at times like this, I think that works both ways i.e. no matter what's said, there will be those that refuse to ask questions and try and understand something they don't want to exist, as they don't like the feeling that they don't understand something when you say he described the corner, in what sort of detail? what I'm trying to get at, was his description fairly generic (i.e. it was a dusty road, with pot holes and a grey building opposite etc.), or did he come out with something pretty specific (i.e. there was a purple lada with leapard skin seats parked on the corner )? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PlasticJock 539 Posted March 1, 2012 Report Share Posted March 1, 2012 @ Lab - Yes I see what you mean. The medium was recommended by a family friend so they could have told him their son had died.. The thing I can't explain is that he named the injured guy, whose name wasn't known by the family, or anyone in the UK at the time (apart from his family). I've watched documentaries about the techniques they use and it seems quite easy to fool someone. If you ever get a chance, read Carlton Leach's autobiography. He was the main guy in the 'Essex Boys' film/gang. At the beginning of the book, he says that he was in bits about Tony Tucker his best mate dying, so went to a psychic even though he didn't believe in all that. The psychic then told him things that were only known to those two, and beating in mind these guys were drug traffickers they never mentioned half of it to another soul! I think most mediums aren't what they say / think they are, but there are some strange cases that no one can explain... Not being disrespectful towards your friend or his poor family but it makes me cringe to read stories like that where a family in total despair get taken advantage of. Maybe it gave them peace and I suppose there could be something to it but I don't trust mediums, they do seem to target some very vulnerable people. On the other hand if I lost one of my daughters I suppose I would be willing to believe anything so I can see why people would visit those places. It makes me cringe to watch videos of emotionally distressed people getting taking advantage of by these people, but as I said, there's absolutely no way that the guy named an injured person, 3000 miles away, a matter of days after it happened. He also described the corner where it happened. As I said, if someone can offer an explanation I'd love to hear it... When I hear these stories I pick them to pieces before I give them any thought, but as I said whether it truly is paranormal or just unexplained, these things do happen. We all know people can be susceptible to suggestion at times like this, I think that works both ways i.e. no matter what's said, there will be those that refuse to ask questions and try and understand something they don't want to exist, as they don't like the feeling that they don't understand something when you say he described the corner, in what sort of detail? what I'm trying to get at, was his description fairly generic (i.e. it was a dusty road, with pot holes and a grey building opposite etc.), or did he come out with something pretty specific (i.e. there was a purple lada with leapard skin seats parked on the corner )? It was a vague description, but he knew he was the second man in line, he knew the front man turned the corner to the left, and as I said he knew things about the front man that were really impossible to know at the time. I'm not pinning it up as the example that can't be disproven, just saying, and I'm sure everyone will agree, that there are instances which don't involve a middle aged woman wailing about a packed audience saying ''John's coming through! Anyone??'' Just an example of something that to me is truly inexplicable... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nik_B 3,790 Posted March 1, 2012 Report Share Posted March 1, 2012 @ Lab - Yes I see what you mean. The medium was recommended by a family friend so they could have told him their son had died.. The thing I can't explain is that he named the injured guy, whose name wasn't known by the family, or anyone in the UK at the time (apart from his family). I've watched documentaries about the techniques they use and it seems quite easy to fool someone. If you ever get a chance, read Carlton Leach's autobiography. He was the main guy in the 'Essex Boys' film/gang. At the beginning of the book, he says that he was in bits about Tony Tucker his best mate dying, so went to a psychic even though he didn't believe in all that. The psychic then told him things that were only known to those two, and beating in mind these guys were drug traffickers they never mentioned half of it to another soul! I think most mediums aren't what they say / think they are, but there are some strange cases that no one can explain... Not being disrespectful towards your friend or his poor family but it makes me cringe to read stories like that where a family in total despair get taken advantage of. Maybe it gave them peace and I suppose there could be something to it but I don't trust mediums, they do seem to target some very vulnerable people. On the other hand if I lost one of my daughters I suppose I would be willing to believe anything so I can see why people would visit those places. It makes me cringe to watch videos of emotionally distressed people getting taking advantage of by these people, but as I said, there's absolutely no way that the guy named an injured person, 3000 miles away, a matter of days after it happened. He also described the corner where it happened. As I said, if someone can offer an explanation I'd love to hear it... When I hear these stories I pick them to pieces before I give them any thought, but as I said whether it truly is paranormal or just unexplained, these things do happen. We all know people can be susceptible to suggestion at times like this, I think that works both ways i.e. no matter what's said, there will be those that refuse to ask questions and try and understand something they don't want to exist, as they don't like the feeling that they don't understand something Yep what you describe is very very weird and unexplainable. I suppose if it was about something less tragic I'd probably react totally different. Maybe it's the dad in me that feels protective and I hate hearing about the young lads getting killed and wounded in Afghanistan. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nik_B 3,790 Posted March 1, 2012 Report Share Posted March 1, 2012 Ouija boards............ :lol: All in the mind. I bet someone'll be saying they've seen a ghost next!! :whistling: Or a big cat LOL you have to bring that up Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kenny14 656 Posted March 1, 2012 Report Share Posted March 1, 2012 (edited) Ouija boards............ :lol: All in the mind. I bet someone'll be saying they've seen a ghost next!! :whistling: Or a big cat I was going to say that too, but then I looked out the window and guess what was at the bottom of the field ................................ A big cat with three cubs................. Sat round a ouija board!! Edited March 1, 2012 by kenny14 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rob190364 2,594 Posted March 1, 2012 Report Share Posted March 1, 2012 @ Lab - Yes I see what you mean. The medium was recommended by a family friend so they could have told him their son had died.. The thing I can't explain is that he named the injured guy, whose name wasn't known by the family, or anyone in the UK at the time (apart from his family). I've watched documentaries about the techniques they use and it seems quite easy to fool someone. If you ever get a chance, read Carlton Leach's autobiography. He was the main guy in the 'Essex Boys' film/gang. At the beginning of the book, he says that he was in bits about Tony Tucker his best mate dying, so went to a psychic even though he didn't believe in all that. The psychic then told him things that were only known to those two, and beating in mind these guys were drug traffickers they never mentioned half of it to another soul! I think most mediums aren't what they say / think they are, but there are some strange cases that no one can explain... Not being disrespectful towards your friend or his poor family but it makes me cringe to read stories like that where a family in total despair get taken advantage of. Maybe it gave them peace and I suppose there could be something to it but I don't trust mediums, they do seem to target some very vulnerable people. On the other hand if I lost one of my daughters I suppose I would be willing to believe anything so I can see why people would visit those places. It makes me cringe to watch videos of emotionally distressed people getting taking advantage of by these people, but as I said, there's absolutely no way that the guy named an injured person, 3000 miles away, a matter of days after it happened. He also described the corner where it happened. As I said, if someone can offer an explanation I'd love to hear it... When I hear these stories I pick them to pieces before I give them any thought, but as I said whether it truly is paranormal or just unexplained, these things do happen. We all know people can be susceptible to suggestion at times like this, I think that works both ways i.e. no matter what's said, there will be those that refuse to ask questions and try and understand something they don't want to exist, as they don't like the feeling that they don't understand something when you say he described the corner, in what sort of detail? what I'm trying to get at, was his description fairly generic (i.e. it was a dusty road, with pot holes and a grey building opposite etc.), or did he come out with something pretty specific (i.e. there was a purple lada with leapard skin seats parked on the corner )? It was a vague description, but he knew he was the second man in line, he knew the front man turned the corner to the left, and as I said he knew things about the front man that were really impossible to know at the time. I'm not pinning it up as the example that can't be disproven, just saying, and I'm sure everyone will agree, that there are instances which don't involve a middle aged woman wailing about a packed audience saying ''John's coming through! Anyone??'' Just an example of something that to me is truly inexplicable... please don't take this the wrong way, and hopefully you won't be offended.....but unless you see/hear it yourself don't 100% believe what they say they were told, there's a lot of people out there who make stuff up and exaggerate what they hear. Not saying your mates family did that but they may have done, and for some reason the supernatural seem to bring out the story tellers more than any other subject (apart from fishing, hunting and shagging obviously!! ). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rob190364 2,594 Posted March 1, 2012 Report Share Posted March 1, 2012 (edited) Ouija boards............ :lol: All in the mind. I bet someone'll be saying they've seen a ghost next!! :whistling: Or a big cat I was going to say that too, but then I looked out the window and guess what was at the bottom of the field dragging a Deer carcase? R. Docks.....from Bath?? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Edited March 1, 2012 by rob190364 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PlasticJock 539 Posted March 1, 2012 Report Share Posted March 1, 2012 @ Lab - Yes I see what you mean. The medium was recommended by a family friend so they could have told him their son had died.. The thing I can't explain is that he named the injured guy, whose name wasn't known by the family, or anyone in the UK at the time (apart from his family). I've watched documentaries about the techniques they use and it seems quite easy to fool someone. If you ever get a chance, read Carlton Leach's autobiography. He was the main guy in the 'Essex Boys' film/gang. At the beginning of the book, he says that he was in bits about Tony Tucker his best mate dying, so went to a psychic even though he didn't believe in all that. The psychic then told him things that were only known to those two, and beating in mind these guys were drug traffickers they never mentioned half of it to another soul! I think most mediums aren't what they say / think they are, but there are some strange cases that no one can explain... Not being disrespectful towards your friend or his poor family but it makes me cringe to read stories like that where a family in total despair get taken advantage of. Maybe it gave them peace and I suppose there could be something to it but I don't trust mediums, they do seem to target some very vulnerable people. On the other hand if I lost one of my daughters I suppose I would be willing to believe anything so I can see why people would visit those places. It makes me cringe to watch videos of emotionally distressed people getting taking advantage of by these people, but as I said, there's absolutely no way that the guy named an injured person, 3000 miles away, a matter of days after it happened. He also described the corner where it happened. As I said, if someone can offer an explanation I'd love to hear it... When I hear these stories I pick them to pieces before I give them any thought, but as I said whether it truly is paranormal or just unexplained, these things do happen. We all know people can be susceptible to suggestion at times like this, I think that works both ways i.e. no matter what's said, there will be those that refuse to ask questions and try and understand something they don't want to exist, as they don't like the feeling that they don't understand something when you say he described the corner, in what sort of detail? what I'm trying to get at, was his description fairly generic (i.e. it was a dusty road, with pot holes and a grey building opposite etc.), or did he come out with something pretty specific (i.e. there was a purple lada with leapard skin seats parked on the corner )? It was a vague description, but he knew he was the second man in line, he knew the front man turned the corner to the left, and as I said he knew things about the front man that were really impossible to know at the time. I'm not pinning it up as the example that can't be disproven, just saying, and I'm sure everyone will agree, that there are instances which don't involve a middle aged woman wailing about a packed audience saying ''John's coming through! Anyone??'' Just an example of something that to me is truly inexplicable... please don't take this the wrong way, and hopefully you won't be offended.....but unless you see/hear it yourself don't 100% believe what they say they were told, there's a lot of people out there who make stuff up and exaggerate what they hear. Not saying your mates family did that but they may have done, and for some reason the supernatural seem to bring out the story tellers more than any other subject (apart from fishing, hunting and shagging obviously!! ). And fighting I wasn't there so anything I've said was 3rd hand in the first place, but I've been told it more than once and I don't see any reason for a grieving family to lie about something they didn't believe in in the first place. Then again, the medium could have been fake but if he was, he must have had access to the guys on the ground to get the details, which would have been impossible, in order to make a few quid. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rob190364 2,594 Posted March 1, 2012 Report Share Posted March 1, 2012 @ Lab - Yes I see what you mean. The medium was recommended by a family friend so they could have told him their son had died.. The thing I can't explain is that he named the injured guy, whose name wasn't known by the family, or anyone in the UK at the time (apart from his family). I've watched documentaries about the techniques they use and it seems quite easy to fool someone. If you ever get a chance, read Carlton Leach's autobiography. He was the main guy in the 'Essex Boys' film/gang. At the beginning of the book, he says that he was in bits about Tony Tucker his best mate dying, so went to a psychic even though he didn't believe in all that. The psychic then told him things that were only known to those two, and beating in mind these guys were drug traffickers they never mentioned half of it to another soul! I think most mediums aren't what they say / think they are, but there are some strange cases that no one can explain... Not being disrespectful towards your friend or his poor family but it makes me cringe to read stories like that where a family in total despair get taken advantage of. Maybe it gave them peace and I suppose there could be something to it but I don't trust mediums, they do seem to target some very vulnerable people. On the other hand if I lost one of my daughters I suppose I would be willing to believe anything so I can see why people would visit those places. It makes me cringe to watch videos of emotionally distressed people getting taking advantage of by these people, but as I said, there's absolutely no way that the guy named an injured person, 3000 miles away, a matter of days after it happened. He also described the corner where it happened. As I said, if someone can offer an explanation I'd love to hear it... When I hear these stories I pick them to pieces before I give them any thought, but as I said whether it truly is paranormal or just unexplained, these things do happen. We all know people can be susceptible to suggestion at times like this, I think that works both ways i.e. no matter what's said, there will be those that refuse to ask questions and try and understand something they don't want to exist, as they don't like the feeling that they don't understand something when you say he described the corner, in what sort of detail? what I'm trying to get at, was his description fairly generic (i.e. it was a dusty road, with pot holes and a grey building opposite etc.), or did he come out with something pretty specific (i.e. there was a purple lada with leapard skin seats parked on the corner )? It was a vague description, but he knew he was the second man in line, he knew the front man turned the corner to the left, and as I said he knew things about the front man that were really impossible to know at the time. I'm not pinning it up as the example that can't be disproven, just saying, and I'm sure everyone will agree, that there are instances which don't involve a middle aged woman wailing about a packed audience saying ''John's coming through! Anyone??'' Just an example of something that to me is truly inexplicable... please don't take this the wrong way, and hopefully you won't be offended.....but unless you see/hear it yourself don't 100% believe what they say they were told, there's a lot of people out there who make stuff up and exaggerate what they hear. Not saying your mates family did that but they may have done, and for some reason the supernatural seem to bring out the story tellers more than any other subject (apart from fishing, hunting and shagging obviously!! ). And fighting I wasn't there so anything I've said was 3rd hand in the first place, but I've been told it more than once and I don't see any reason for a grieving family to lie about something they didn't believe in in the first place. Then again, the medium could have been fake but if he was, he must have had access to the guys on the ground to get the details, which would have been impossible, in order to make a few quid. not necessarily completely lying....but maybe stretching what was actually said to make themselves feel better about what place their son is in. If you've got someone close who dies it's nice to think that they're still with you or in some nice place somewhere. Not a nice thought to think that he's dead and that's that, nothing for him beyond the point when he died. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
secretagentmole 1,701 Posted March 1, 2012 Report Share Posted March 1, 2012 Ouija boards were never designed to contact the dead, they were designed as a game! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouija About as occult as Monopoly, "Is there anybody there? If so please put a hotel on Mayfair!" 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rob190364 2,594 Posted March 1, 2012 Report Share Posted March 1, 2012 Ouija boards were never designed to contact the dead, they were designed as a game! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouija About as occult as Monopoly, "Is there anybody there? If so please put a hotel on Mayfair!" what they were designed to do is irrelevant, it's what they actually do that counts. Viagra was never designed to give you a raging boner! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ratreeper 441 Posted March 1, 2012 Report Share Posted March 1, 2012 Bloody hell now mediums too. Firstly let's all agree some of these stories are incredible. But that is precisely WHY you have heard them, the few stories that aren't easy to dismiss out of the millions of one that you can discard in a second. Eventually coincedences do happen, which is a why a medium will use 90% generic patter and let you fill in the gaps. ie 'someone is coming through with the letter...T' 'Well bugger me that must be Tony!' etc and will throw in some very specific stuff to try and get a hit, (he left a shiny object for you to find, silver with writing on it' when it misses they say something like 'remember this, one day you will understand what he meant'. But with the example of the soldier, most wouldn't want to argue against it because it is obviously a sensitive and private matter. But I think it is disgusting to con a grieving family, so more should speak up. Look at the facts of this though, if a soldier dies you almost have a 50/50 chance he was killed by an explosion or a bullet (a bullet could 'sound like an explosion if it misses, but the person would say 'no it was a bomb', giving more info to work from). You also have a 50/50 chance he was alone or with others, a 50/50 chance they turned left or right (which could be blamed on the point of view). So you can see from a few coin-flip chances and a small amount of info you can easily sound impressive, whilst dismissing misses and making it sound like a hit. The good stories get passed around and exaggerated etc and myth becomes truth to some people. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PlasticJock 539 Posted March 1, 2012 Report Share Posted March 1, 2012 Bloody hell now mediums too. Firstly let's all agree some of these stories are incredible. But that is precisely WHY you have heard them, the few stories that aren't easy to dismiss out of the millions of one that you can discard in a second. Eventually coincedences do happen, which is a why a medium will use 90% generic patter and let you fill in the gaps. ie 'someone is coming through with the letter...T' 'Well bugger me that must be Tony!' etc and will throw in some very specific stuff to try and get a hit, (he left a shiny object for you to find, silver with writing on it' when it misses they say something like 'remember this, one day you will understand what he meant'. But with the example of the soldier, most wouldn't want to argue against it because it is obviously a sensitive and private matter. But I think it is disgusting to con a grieving family, so more should speak up. Look at the facts of this though, if a soldier dies you almost have a 50/50 chance he was killed by an explosion or a bullet (a bullet could 'sound like an explosion if it misses, but the person would say 'no it was a bomb', giving more info to work from). You also have a 50/50 chance he was alone or with others, a 50/50 chance they turned left or right (which could be blamed on the point of view). So you can see from a few coin-flip chances and a small amount of info you can easily sound impressive, whilst dismissing misses and making it sound like a hit. The good stories get passed around and exaggerated etc and myth becomes truth to some people. I see what you're saying but it doesn't come into this case - firstly, quite a high percentage of guys in Iraq and NI died in RTA's. Secondly, no one would be alone out there, but rarely will there be less than 12 guys on the ground. Which means he 'guessed' correctly at odds of 12/1. Third, a lot of IED's are hidden in ditches, streams and the like which wouldn't involve left or right turns. Also most devices are simply buried in the ground along known routes, again, wouldnt involve left or right turns. So if we assume he was guessing, he guessed there was a corner in the first place, then guessed the direction he was going to turn. Fourthly, and most importantly, he also managed to guess the name of the injured guy, after gussing there was an injured guy, and guessing his position relative to the deceased. His second name, as that's what he was known as. And it wasn't 'Smith'. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
"Earth!" 503 Posted March 1, 2012 Report Share Posted March 1, 2012 Ouija boards were never designed to contact the dead, they were designed as a game! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouija About as occult as Monopoly, "Is there anybody there? If so please put a hotel on Mayfair!" what they were designed to do is irrelevant, it's what they actually do that counts. Viagra was never designed to give you a raging boner! No, its designed to give you a raging head ache :censored: well thats what i was told Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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